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No Shepard Without Vakarian: Garrus Love and Turian Discussion


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I've pondered over what my headcanon is for EDI/Geth. I am pretty sure Geth could be reworked to their pre-reaper code state, but I'm not sure if the Quarians would actually do that. They might be convinced to give them proper burials, but...

EDI though. I am usually pretty much a stickler for canon. But if Bioware has essentially said they left the ending ambiguous for Shepard, and they didn't even give her a 'death' scene other than her name being on the wall, my mind is that she's able to be repaired at some point. The relays are fixable and they're still reaper tech. It might take a few years, but... 

If Bioware wants to give me a compelling reason why red light kills reapers and green light makes everyone roboots, they are more than welcome to.

[And, this is coming from someone who is largely okay with the endings now that the EC is out.]

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Armdin wrote...

Yay to Amber Penglass, Sound the Clarion has been updated! Which reminds me, has anyone else noticed - at least on FFdotnet that ME stuff is slowing down? I've got about 5 Garrus/Shepard fics that I'm following and since EC came out they've all pretty much stopped updating. Or is it literally just the 5 I'm following that've stopped?




Yay thanks for this link - just stayed up til 3am reading the story so far - not normally a fan of AU either but damn fine writing...

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Mims wrote...

I've pondered over what my headcanon is for EDI/Geth. I am pretty sure Geth could be reworked to their pre-reaper code state, but I'm not sure if the Quarians would actually do that. They might be convinced to give them proper burials, but...

EDI though. I am usually pretty much a stickler for canon. But if Bioware has essentially said they left the ending ambiguous for Shepard, and they didn't even give her a 'death' scene other than her name being on the wall, my mind is that she's able to be repaired at some point. The relays are fixable and they're still reaper tech. It might take a few years, but... 

If Bioware wants to give me a compelling reason why red light kills reapers and green light makes everyone roboots, they are more than welcome to.

[And, this is coming from someone who is largely okay with the endings now that the EC is out.]


Well it's heavily implied that the Reaper parts of EDI were her cyber warfare suites. Think about it, she was already sentient on Luna. And that BS that the red beam targets "all synthetic life" and "even you are part synthetic" is crap. If you take that at face value, that means it would blow up ships, toasters, Sophie the dog, and anything non-organic. The way I sees it, that beam (with high EMS and thus with a fully stable power source) targets and completely corrupts Reaper code. EDI's not dead, she's just broken for a little while and loses the Defense part of Enhanced Defense Intelligence. 

As for the geth, like you said, they could probably be brought back to their former state. Sad, 'cause it kind of makes Legion's sacrifice pointless, but then again, I honestly didn't understand the need for it in the first place. Maybe the quarians end up having some kind of internal conflct over whether or not to bring them back.

I stick to canon, too, but not when I'm supposed to blindly put my faith in space magic.


Oh and I also firmly believe that the Citadel just got busted up and there were tons of failsafes, emergency shelters, and escape pods that kept most of the refugees safe, including Old Man Vakarian and Solana. Because I can.

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Soltana wrote...
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Well it's heavily implied that the Reaper parts of EDI were her cyber warfare suits. Think about it, she was already sentient on Luna. And that BS that the red beam targets "all synthetic life" and "even you are part synthetic" is crap. If you take that at face value, that means it would blow up ships, toasters, Sophie the dog, and anything non-organic. The way I sees it, that beam (with high EMS and thus with a fully stable power source) targets and completely corrupts Reaper code. EDI's not dead, she's just broken for a little while and loses the Defense part of Enhanced Defense Intelligence. 

As for the geth, like you said, they could probably be brought back to their former state. Sad, 'cause it kind of makes Legion's sacrifice pointless, but then again, I honestly didn't understand the need for it in the first place. Maybe the quarians end up having some kind of internal conflct over whether or not to bring them back.

I stick to canon, too, but not when I'm supposed to blindly put my faith in space magic.


Oh and I also firmly believe that the Citadel just got busted up and there were tons of failsafes, emergency shelters, and escape pods that kept most of the refugees safe, including Old Man Vakarian and Solana. Because I can.


I like your point of view :)

Regarding EDI, I'd even be okay with her avatar being lost - because who knows what Reaper-tech whatevers Cerberus used to build Dr. Eva's body. But that could be replaced, and in the meantime, when the AI core was back up to speed (without some code fragments, maybe), EDI would be 'back'. 
And I think so because I can ;)

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I like the way you think, Soltana. Maybe I'm just cruel, but I'd be happy if EDI were alive *without* her body. We didn't need her to have a body to like her.

I just finished reading Garrus' Homeworld comic. Nothing incredible, and I still dislike the way they drew female turians, but it was a nice read. I liked it.

Plus, young Garrus.

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That is very true! Honestly, if Bioware can't be bothered to give her a proper death scene why should we be forced to imagine one? And I'm definitely going with parts of the citadel surviving. I imagine casualties were high from the reaper invasion [and possibly an entire wing is lost in destroy, it looks like it just breaks in two], but there have to be survivors. Otherwise there wouldn't be much of a point in rebuilding it.

And aaagh. I just read the Garrus comic. I really liked it, at least compared to a lot of the other comics. Definitely the better of the Homeworlds comics. [Narrative?! What are YOU doing here?] Holy ****, Garrus' mom looks like a badass. Just so many feels. I definitely recommend people get it.

The only thing I was sort of 'eh' with was reusing the same monologue Garrus gives in ME2. It fits, but for people who know the game it probably would have been better to just reword it.

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I loved the interaction with his mom. Sooo sweet. <3 And yeah, she definitely seems like a badass. Overall I think the parts that take place on Palaven are my favourites.

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Yeah! It was pretty cool to see whatever we can of it. I also really like Garrus' dad. In a series that is rife with bad fathers, its nice to see them be able to disagree, and then [miraculously] still care about each other.

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His dad is awesome, I loved the way he talks to his son, you can tell he really cares about him despite their differences. Too bad we didn't get more interactions with him during the game.

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If there was a PayPal option I'd get those comics I haven't read yet, but nope...

uninstalled ME3 from my comp since it don't work much, however do have a copy of game saved on a TerraByte so I can play with models at least in 3DS Max again...

...still, apparently missing "material" folders/files for ME3 guys now checking 3DS Max, maybe game somehow got a little corrupted... not the first time this has happened with EA/BioWare games...
could explain it keep crashing, reinstall last time didn't fix it maybe it'll do it this time around...
though with it being download only that will have to wait 'til night...
although, in game character models didn't seem to be missing any, just background textures/materials if anything... hmm...

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me1 3ds max... at least I still got some turians to play with...
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Karrie788 wrote...

I loved the interaction with his mom. Sooo sweet. <3 And yeah, she definitely seems like a badass. Overall I think the parts that take place on Palaven are my favourites.


Sounds like I have to try to get the comic after all - glad to hear that it's not only not completely bad, but quite enjoyable.

What about turian females, still similar to the first comic design?

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Sounds like I have to try to get the comic after all - glad to hear that it's not only not completely bad, but quite enjoyable.

What about turian females, still similar to the first comic design?

Honestly, it's a good read if you're a Garrus fan. I'd recommand it.

And to answer your question, yes. At least Mommy is awesome.

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It was very enjoyable! Unlike the previous two comics that sort of had a meandering story, Garrus is a very complete thought. It isn't revolutionary, but it does exactly what you want a backstory comic to do: it provides backstory, insight on characters we don't see in the game, and has a reason for telling it the way that it did.

I'd say its the best of the dark horse comics, although the art may be more towards the middleground range of DH art.

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Armdin wrote...

Yay to Amber Penglass, Sound the Clarion has been updated! Which reminds me, has anyone else noticed - at least on FFdotnet that ME stuff is slowing down? I've got about 5 Garrus/Shepard fics that I'm following and since EC came out they've all pretty much stopped updating. Or is it literally just the 5 I'm following that've stopped?




Yay thanks for this link - just stayed up til 3am reading the story so far - not normally a fan of AU either but damn fine writing...


This sounds promising...

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Is the comic free or cost money to view? If so how much and can you throw another link to it my way?

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The comic can be purchased by going to digital.darkhorse.com, and clicking their digital comic section. Its 3.99.

It can also be acquired through other means, but I strongly support purchasing the comics. The series won't improve in quality if it doesn't make money. But it isn't exactly hard to find on tumblr either.

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I was very pleasantly surprised by the comic. I'm still nerdraging over the female turian appearance but whatevs...rejecting reality, substituting my own. Maybe I'm biased but yeah this was by far the best of the 3. It was nothing new or sweeping but it was nice to get some more insight on his life. And I'm not gonna lie, I shed one manly woman tear at the second to last panel.

Damn, now I want to go back and play ME2.

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Ooooooh my god oh my god oh my god. I just found a page of the new Garrus comic on tumblr. HOLY F***. I think I'm going to have to buy this yo.

I literally squealed when I read through. I haven't been this excited for anything related to the ME series since pre-ME3 release.

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...is it true that the female fringes are still incredibly stupid and don't make any biological sense?

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Small spoiler(??)



Yeah, they kept the design from the Evolution comic. To be fair, though, I'm just assuming the ME team told the Darkhorse people to trust in their artistic integrity and speculate. Darkhorse makes everything hideous anyway.

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Soltana wrote...

Small spoiler(??)



Yeah, they kept the design from the Evolution comic. To be fair, though, I'm just assuming the ME team told the Darkhorse people to trust in their artistic integrity and speculate. Darkhorse makes everything hideous anyway.


All....my....effing....hate....

On a completely unrelated note, i saw a copy of Inheritence (i'm an Eragon fan, don't judge me) on a bookshelf today. Absolutely massive kick in the feels i almost broke down sobbing...you know you've done the whole bittersweet ending thing right when you can do that to people...

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Thanks for all the updates on the comic. Yeah, definitely on my "to buy" list for this year, just having to figure out where, when and how.

And regarding Eragon: Uh, where's the problem? I've read the first two or three books myself, though I found it harder and harder to identify with the characters. In general, I doubt anybody around here will shake his / her head if you like a story where some of the protagonists are creatures not really from this world with sharp teeth and plates on their skin :D

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 Yeah, don't even get me started on female turians. IDGAF, game canon > comic-and-everything-else-canon. Game says they have pretty fringe, they have pretty fringe.

Maaaan it's been years since I read the Eragon books...I never made it to the fourth one. But much like with the Darkhorse fem!turians, I say the movie never happened. :whistle:

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Seleya_LL wrote...

Thanks for all the updates on the comic. Yeah, definitely on my "to buy" list for this year, just having to figure out where, when and how.

And regarding Eragon: Uh, where's the problem? I've read the first two or three books myself, though I found it harder and harder to identify with the characters. In general, I doubt anybody around here will shake his / her head if you like a story where some of the protagonists are creatures not really from this world with sharp teeth and plates on their skin :D


Eh, its just that a lot of people get all "hurr durr bad writing, hes a teenager hurrrrr" and i'm all "huh?", so i like to get the, uh, niceties out of the way early.

I love my dragons, always have, and the whole mind connection thing reduces me to a bubbling mess everytime :D. Eragon and Temeraire are also the sole reasons i refuse to play Skyrim or Dragons Dogma or even Dragon Age where one of the primary motivations to playing is to kill Dragons. I just can't deal with that.

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Maaaan it's been years since I read the Eragon books...I never made it to the fourth one. But much like with the Darkhorse fem!turians, I say the movie never happened. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

 

You really should read it, Paolini can give BioWare a lesson or two in bittersweet. I cried horribly and was relatively depressed for a good week after the end....in a good way, like i just finished an epic 4 years of epic.

What movie you talking about? I don't remember an Eragon movie...i remember a very very well done Saphira, but a movie? Lies i tell you, all lies!

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