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Exile Isan

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I think Garrus was on board the Normandy when it was attacked simply because he says after the Normandy was destroyed he went back to C-Sec. Why would he say that if he wasn't on board the Normandy SR1 when it was destroyed?

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I always assumed he returned to c-sec, not the Normandy. He seems pretty gung-ho to get back to work depending on what alignment path you ship him down in ME1. When Jacob is listing survivors, he isn't mentioned with Tali. The comic also indicates he was present during the immediate aftermath and recovery of the citadel.*

[*although the comic makes no mention of Shepard or the Normandy.]

But that dialogue is interesting, who knows. I wouldn't say it is clear.

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Mims wrote...

I always assumed he returned to c-sec, not the Normandy. He seems pretty gung-ho to get back to work depending on what alignment path you ship him down in ME1. When Jacob is listing survivors, he isn't mentioned with Tali. The comic also indicates he was present during the immediate aftermath and recovery of the citadel.*

[*although the comic makes no mention of Shepard or the Normandy.]

But that dialogue is interesting, who knows. I wouldn't say it is clear.


I think that the timeline of all these events doesn't help us figure it out one way or the other.  IIRC, the events at the beginning of ME2 are only a week or a couple of weeks after the end of ME1.  If Garrus is present during the immediate aftermath/recovery of the Citadel, IMHO I'm not sure that a week or two on the Normandy before the Collectors destroyed it would negate this.

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 Long time no see guys! Glad to hear you all enjoyed Leviathan and the few extra lines Garrus says to melt our hearts :lol:

As for the question above, I agree that he was probably there until the end. For a while I thought too that he'd left for C-Sec/Spectre training right after defeating Saren, but why would he tell Shepard something she knew? Though I understand the mentality behind the other option, been playing ME1 recently and he makes it sound like he's only with Shepard for a little while, just until Saren's defeated. None of my games will let me keep playing after killing Saren so I'm not sure if he has additional dialogue that changes that mentality.

Oh, and I found this little gem on Tumblr today. It's so perfect <3

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flippedeclipse wrote...
Oh, and I found this little gem on Tumblr today. It's so perfect <3
*snip of adorable*


D'awwwwwww.  So precious.

As for Garrus between ME1 and ME2, in my game, Shep encouraged him to become a Spectre.  So I think he went right back to the Citadel and started training.  What he does might depend on your individual Shepard; ah, the glories of headcanon!

OK, I've caved.  The power of Garrus has officially pulled me back into Mass Effect, though this time, I'm going to finally finish my BroShep's playthrough instead of replaying Kaliya for the frillionth time.  Damn you, sexy turians! :pinched:

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flippedeclipse wrote...

 Long time no see guys! Glad to hear you all enjoyed Leviathan and the few extra lines Garrus says to melt our hearts :lol:

As for the question above, I agree that he was probably there until the end. For a while I thought too that he'd left for C-Sec/Spectre training right after defeating Saren, but why would he tell Shepard something she knew? Though I understand the mentality behind the other option, been playing ME1 recently and he makes it sound like he's only with Shepard for a little while, just until Saren's defeated. None of my games will let me keep playing after killing Saren so I'm not sure if he has additional dialogue that changes that mentality.

Oh, and I found this little gem on Tumblr today. It's so perfect <3

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That is just so perfect, I saw it on tumblr too. *hugs OTP* :wub:

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flippedeclipse wrote...
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Oh, and I found this little gem on Tumblr today. It's so perfect <3
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Don't know, but I'd prefer MShep and Garrus as friends. That looks a little too cozy for my taste.

About Garrus and his decision after ME: Storywise, I'd guess he returns to C-Sec / Spectre training. Otherwise I'd be disappointed that Jacob doesn't mention him at the start of ME2 as a survivor of the crew ^^
(Which, of course, is only logical, since you can refuse to take Garrus on board in ME, and reflecting that possibility in a small side dialogue is not that important. Suppose the majority of players have him on board.)

Back to the invisible-Garrus-glitch on the mining station: Got it with my infiltrator, but my adept was fine. So I suppose it's not (only) a system-related bug. Then tried switching gear and weapons, to no effect, then did the most obvious thing (naturally, last) and switched squadmembers. Turns out that I see Garrus when I bring EDI and don't see him if I bring Tali. Doesn't have to be tied specifically to the characters, though, but on the position ("left side / right side") of them, the order was switched between the adept and the infiltrator if I recall correctly.

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Hopefully, they fix that by the time I get around to DLing it.

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A little late to the party but I imagine he wasn't on board when the Normandy exploded, I always got the sense that he was with C-Sec/Spectre training at that time. Besides I like to headcanon that he felt guilty that he wasn't there and so that's why he's on nearly every mission with Shepard in mine. In ME2 he was with Shepard every mission except the fire squad which I headcanoned that was when they accepted their codependency and decided it was ok for them to be apart during missions.

Plus my Shepard wanted his confidence to be restored on leading a group. They were able to heal their insecurities in that mission and thus become stronger as a whole.

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Exile Isan wrote...

I think Garrus was on board the Normandy when it was attacked simply because he says after the Normandy was destroyed he went back to C-Sec. Why would he say that if he wasn't on board the Normandy SR1 when it was destroyed?


I think I agree with you, Exile, though Deviant's take is pretty romantic too. <3

BTW is anybody as I excited as I am that there will be a Femshep figure to own in addition to the Garrus figure coming out in December? :D

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BlueMoonSeraphim wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

I think Garrus was on board the Normandy when it was attacked simply because he says after the Normandy was destroyed he went back to C-Sec. Why would he say that if he wasn't on board the Normandy SR1 when it was destroyed?


I think I agree with you, Exile, though Deviant's take is pretty romantic too. <3

BTW is anybody as I excited as I am that there will be a Femshep figure to own in addition to the Garrus figure coming out in December? :D

*snip*


Thanks! And that Garrus figure is quite suave. If I had the funds I would get them.

Modifié par Deviant Ingredient, 07 septembre 2012 - 12:20 .


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My Garrus fig should be here next week, shall post pics and write stuff about the good and bad. The only problem i have with Shep figs is that they look nothing like my Sheps in any way, and personally i kinda makes them pointless because i have no emotional attachment to the standard Shep.

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Deviant Ingredient wrote...
Besides I like to headcanon that he felt guilty that he wasn't there and so that's why he's on nearly every mission with Shepard in mine.


This was my headcanon too.  My FemShep dragged Garrus with her just about everywhere in ME1, because he compensated for her weaknesses.  (Infiltrator and Adept = team of awesome.)  And in ME2, she dragged him everywhere because they had some guilt issues.  And the hots for each other :P

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Don't know, but I'd prefer MShep and Garrus as friends. That looks a little too cozy for my taste.

 

Whenever I think of the bromance between ManShep and Garrus, I think of guy love from Scrubs.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...
Besides I like to headcanon that he felt guilty that he wasn't there and so that's why he's on nearly every mission with Shepard in mine.


This was my headcanon too.  My FemShep dragged Garrus with her just about everywhere in ME1, because he compensated for her weaknesses.  (Infiltrator and Adept = team of awesome.)  And in ME2, she dragged him everywhere because they had some guilt issues.  And the hots for each other :P

Interesting! And quite romantic. In my head my Shepard brought Garrus everywhere with her in ME1 because Infiltrator + Vanguard is a pretty awesome combo as well; and in ME2, because she's just so happy to have someone she trusts and cares about at her side while working for an organization she hates. Plus, she starts having the hots for him pretty fast.

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BlueMoonSeraphim wrote...

BTW is anybody as I excited as I am that there will be a Femshep figure to own in addition to the Garrus figure coming out in December? :D

*snipped*

I got the Garrus one, and man is it better than that original action figure. The poses and the durability of the parts! And it's way bigger (and heavier) too. I was surprised, but for all I know this is the norm with these figures. But I've seen the pictures of the BroShep figure's face. It's all poofy and kind of weird and I think I can kind of see the same sort of thing in the picture of the FemShep figure you just posted... I don't think I'll be getting it.

Other than the face thing, I pretty much agree with Envy about how default FemShep looking nooothing like mine which makes me want to get her figure even less. That's a lot of money to pay for something that I'm not even going to gush over. She doesn't even come with the class of guns I use. Though I guess the appeal for collectors is that you have to buy both BroShep and FemShep in order to get all of the N7 guns. That's something that collectors like, right? But if the bishoujo figure ends up being ****in' and not horribly expensive (extremely doubtful on both parts), I would probably at least consider getting it. Maybe.

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Karrie788 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...
Besides I like to headcanon that he felt guilty that he wasn't there and so that's why he's on nearly every mission with Shepard in mine.


This was my headcanon too.  My FemShep dragged Garrus with her just about everywhere in ME1, because he compensated for her weaknesses.  (Infiltrator and Adept = team of awesome.)  And in ME2, she dragged him everywhere because they had some guilt issues.  And the hots for each other :P

Interesting! And quite romantic. In my head my Shepard brought Garrus everywhere with her in ME1 because Infiltrator + Vanguard is a pretty awesome combo as well; and in ME2, because she's just so happy to have someone she trusts and cares about at her side while working for an organization she hates. Plus, she starts having the hots for him pretty fast.


Mine is an Adept too and tiny. Total opposites and yet so alike, she's Paragade and he's Renegon and both are planet born sole survivors. I think Shepard was quite happy when he said 'just like old times' when they first reunited especially since she tries that line on others but they wouldn't bite. Tali at first, Liara, Kaidan/Ashley. Such a quiet plea for help she gave, mine anyway. Garrus really kept her sanity alive.

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So, on Tumblr, there was a meme going around about getting someone to ask you about OTPs.

Someone asked about Meghan and Garrus.

I’m a sucker for best friends who become more. Always have been.

But Meghan is such a completely broken person and is so held together by a wish and a prayer, that Garrus’ stability appeals to her. He’s the rock in the middle of her rapids, he’s the eye of her storm.

In Meghan, Garrus sees the leader he aspires to be, though he’s not always sure she goes about things the best way, he can see she gets results. He likes her unpredictability and stormy (heh) nature.

Together, they trust each other totally. In Garrus, Meghan found someone who would never leave her. In Meghan, Garrus found someone who’d support him no matter what, it just might not be in the way he originally asked.



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Deviant Ingredient wrote...
Mine is an Adept too and tiny. 


Yeah, in my headcanon, Kaliya's like 5'4".  Average for a human, but definitely little for a marine.  It's ok, though; as she frequently reassures a less-than-convinced Garrus, she can kill people with her brain :P

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Garrus’ stability appeals to her. He’s the rock in the middle of her rapids, he’s the eye of her storm.  

 

I think this is my favorite element of the Garrus/Shep relationship, platonic or romantic.  Even the most stable, well-adjusted, angelic Paragon Shep has been through the wringer by ME3, and Garrus is an incredible anchor.  He has the most time with Shep out of any character in the series (except Joker), and is by far the most loyal.

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Much as I love that, I can't let the relationship be one-sided where only Shepard takes. What does Garrus get out of it besides a hot, badass, human chick on his arm?

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...
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I think this is my favorite element of the Garrus/Shep relationship, platonic or romantic.  Even the most stable, well-adjusted, angelic Paragon Shep has been through the wringer by ME3, and Garrus is an incredible anchor.  He has the most time with Shep out of any character in the series (except Joker), and is by far the most loyal.


Agreed. I never saw their relationship as one-sided though - with the whole "only friend left in the galaxy", "I want something to go right" and all, Shepard is as much of an anchor to Garrus as he's to her. Later on, the relationship really seems to be a healthy one among equals.
Still, the awkward beginning is funny as well :D

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Sialater wrote...
What does Garrus get out of it besides a hot, badass, human chick on his arm?


What, you mean eye candy isn't enough? :P

I think my Shep provides Garrus with a very stable source of guidance and support.  She's cool-headed and almost mathematical in her approach, helps balance out Garrus's cowboy cop tendencies.  She's always believed in him and supported him 110%, even when they disagree.

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But if the bishoujo figure ends up being ****in' and not horribly expensive (extremely doubtful on both parts), I would probably at least consider getting it. Maybe.


Wow, I googled this - I had no idea they were making one!  I saw the Liara one when it was first coming out, but I'm not that big a Liara fan.

As far as the Femshep figure, my main is a custom Adept that looks nothing like default Femshep, but I did a second playthrough with the default Femshep, and she grew on me.  Also, 1) I'm glad to see Femshep getting more attention in merch, and 2) My Garrus figure will need a companion on the shelf.  My husband also graciously offered to buy it for me when I wavered about the price. <3

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I got the Garrus one, and man is it better than that original action figure. The poses and the durability of the parts! And it's way bigger (and heavier) too. I was surprised, but for all I know this is the norm with these figures.


Oh, great!  That makes me even more excited!  As much as I was glad to get the Big Fish Toys Garrus Figure, it didn't seem very durable or as detailed as I had hoped it would be.  It's good to know the second one is so much better (although for the price, it better be!). :lol:

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...
Mine is an Adept too and tiny. 


Yeah, in my headcanon, Kaliya's like 5'4".  Average for a human, but definitely little for a marine.  It's ok, though; as she frequently reassures a less-than-convinced Garrus, she can kill people with her brain :P

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Garrus’ stability appeals to her. He’s the rock in the middle of her rapids, he’s the eye of her storm.  

 

I think this is my favorite element of the Garrus/Shep relationship, platonic or romantic.  Even the most stable, well-adjusted, angelic Paragon Shep has been through the wringer by ME3, and Garrus is an incredible anchor.  He has the most time with Shep out of any character in the series (except Joker), and is by far the most loyal.


Mine is the same size though on the smaller side of 5'4", the smallest of my Shepards.

And I do agree about them being each others anchor. Actually I always felt that their relationship has reached that final stage that some old people get.

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So random question but I'm curious, was Garrus any of your Shepards first alien lover? Or did yours go through an experimentation phase like mine did. Mine's been with a couple Asari, a male Drell, a male Quarian, and a female Batarian. She tried to hook up with a Salarian when she was drunk but for obvious reasons that failed much to the relief of the Salarian. Garrus was her first Turian though she would have been with a Turian much sooner if the Alliance and Turians didn't hate each other so much at the time. Plus I can't imagine many Turians being attracted to human females.

And yes she was with quite a few of her own species back on Earth and her early Alliance career, both sexes. Mainly due to childhood psychological reasons.

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Sialater wrote...

Much as I love that, I can't let the relationship be one-sided where only Shepard takes. What does Garrus get out of it besides a hot, badass, human chick on his arm?

In my case, an extremely supportive partner always willing to help. And laugh. And other things. She's always ready to remind him what a great leader and person he is.

And yes, he was her first alien lover, hence the fact that she was extremely nervous before their first night together. Besides there's the fact that they were such good friends, and she had a few commitment issues.

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