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Sable Rhapsody wrote...
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I just got Garrus with my ManShep--he's such a racist ****** in ME1, and he's being so awful to Garrus and Tali.  (Wrex he respects because Wrex is an 800 lb krogan with a shotgun.)  I'm sorry, Garr-bear!  I promise you'll be bros forever after a few missions!


I never used the "racist" options in ME - my paragon-oriented chars wouldn't do so on principle, and my two more renegade ones seemed a little out of character. The other options weren't perfect, either, but I figured that at least one of the two Shepards wouldn't waste her breath with snide remarks, but rather shoot. Patience or second chances are definitely not her strong points... And killing or not taking Tali and Liara isn't possible in ME, so playing her as a full psychopath was no option, either :D
The second, more paragade Shepard was usually not a very nice person, but I thought she'd always respect talent, courage and determination. Tali - respect from the beginning. Garrus and Wrex - unsure first, later respect. This particular Shepard always had a problem with Liara and Kaidan, though.

Nice picture, btw.

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I never used the "racist" options in ME - my paragon-oriented chars wouldn't do so on principle, and my two more renegade ones seemed a little out of character. 


The "racist" dialogue options are kinda interesting, IMO.  They're less "OMG I hate all aliens ever" and more stereotypes.  For my ManShep, asari are hot chicks you bang, turians have sticks up their asses, batarians are the galaxy's equivalent of ticks, salarians talk too much, krogan are always angry, and everyone else is just plain weird.  He starts to lose those preconcieved notions over the course of the game as he interacts with other species and gets to know his non-human crew better.

Except the batarian thing.  I don't think he'll ever get over his special dislike of batarians after the Blitz.

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Hi, guys! I hope you all don't mind if I leave a little plug here? Relevant to turian-related interests, I promise.

So! Lorik Qui'in is awesome, but we never got to see him again. This made me sad! This makes lots of people sad! So, I've set out to bribe people so at least we can all enjoy some art of him.

Hence this!:
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...pretty much exactly what it says on the tin! First prize is this:
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New, still-in-the-plastic-sleeve 18"x24" signed and numbered Archangel litho. More/better images here. I bet you guys are familiar with this guy, right? Here's a promotional detail, to stare into your soul:
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Mmhmm! Other prizes include winner's choice of dA premium memberships or gift cards to the Bioware store or ThinkGeek. Contest goes until November 24th or until the contest gets 15 entries, whichever happens last. So, it's in best interests to spread the word around so winners can win quickly! And so we can all enjoy more Lorik. And not less.

Anyway: Contest is headquartered here. Cheers and good luck!

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...
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The "racist" dialogue options are kinda interesting, IMO.  They're less "OMG I hate all aliens ever" and more stereotypes.  For my ManShep, asari are hot chicks you bang, turians have sticks up their asses, batarians are the galaxy's equivalent of ticks, salarians talk too much, krogan are always angry, and everyone else is just plain weird.  He starts to lose those preconcieved notions over the course of the game as he interacts with other species and gets to know his non-human crew better.

Except the batarian thing.  I don't think he'll ever get over his special dislike of batarians after the Blitz.


I see - yeah, that does indeed seem plausible for some Shepards. Note to self: Next Shepard to try that path out...

@ArcanaLegacy: <3
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Wait. Not great. Now my canon Shepard needs plastical surgery - or I need some lessons in drawing, the equipment necessary and a long holiday. Grrrr...

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So! Lorik Qui'in is awesome, but we never got to see him again. This made me sad! This makes lots of people sad! So, I've set out to bribe people so at least we can all enjoy some art of him.


Boo for my utter lack of drawing ability.

...would sexy, sexy Lorik Qui'in fanfiction be acceptable? :kissing:

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I just finished the end of ME2 except Arrival DLC and I was wondering if anyone else misses Harbingers trash talk. I really wish he threw insults in ME3, he's like the Udina of Reapers. I mean he and Shepard can't help but **** at each other. Also was it ever explained what the Reapers were going to exactly do with Shepard's body once they got it?

Garrus is still a cutie that first night though I wish Shepard's responses were a bit less patronizing.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

MoonEcho wrote...
So! Lorik Qui'in is awesome, but we never got to see him again. This made me sad! This makes lots of people sad! So, I've set out to bribe people so at least we can all enjoy some art of him.


Boo for my utter lack of drawing ability.

...would sexy, sexy Lorik Qui'in fanfiction be acceptable? :kissing:


It would be acceptable inasmuch as I would accept it into my life with great joy. I am afraid however that I could not accept it as a contest entry, as we decided to limit the competition to visual arts only. D'oh! :?

On that note, though, we are accepting other forms of art besides drawing and painting. Papercrafting and sculpture are allowed, for instance.

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I am afraid however that I could not accept it as a contest entry, as we decided to limit the competition to visual arts only. D'oh! :?


Curses, foiled again!  And I don't have access to all the fun clay sculpture resources I used to.  Ah, well, I'll just take it as an opportunity to drool over other peoples' sexy turians.

Deviant Ingredient wrote...
Also was it ever explained what the Reapers were going to exactly do with Shepard's body once they got it?


Ask the ME kink meme.  There are all sorts of creative answers there [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] 

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...
Also was it ever explained what the Reapers were going to exactly do with Shepard's body once they got it?


Ask the ME kink meme.  There are all sorts of creative answers there [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] 


....pinata?

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EnvyTB075 wrote...

....pinata?


SEXY pinata :D  Oh kink meme.  You are so f---ed up.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...
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Deviant Ingredient wrote...
Also was it ever explained what the Reapers were going to exactly do with Shepard's body once they got it?


Ask the ME kink meme.  There are all sorts of creative answers there [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] 


I wondered what they wanted with it, too, but something tells me the kink meme is too scary for my taste. Including the occasional nose-bleeding and wish to turn back time.

Pinata? Not sure I want to hear the details ^^

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I wondered what they wanted with it, too, but something tells me the kink meme is too scary for my taste. Including the occasional nose-bleeding and wish to turn back time.


The kink meme's not too bad if you use the delicious archives and keep your tag searches very specific.  For example, most fics tagged with "fluff" will not be the mind-scarring type.

Or you could just do what I did, dive in headfirst and develop a thick layer of scar tissue over your brain.  I can see the weirdest prompts now and just go, "eh."  I'm not sure it's a good thing, though :lol:

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

....pinata?


SEXY pinata :D  Oh kink meme.  You are so f---ed up.


Not kmeme, just my incredibly stupid imagination.

Theres a prompt for the writers. Liara fails, Reapers get Sheperds body at the start of ME2, Garrus has to fight evil pinata shepard. Up to writer whether ending is sad or happy.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Seleya_LL wrote...
I wondered what they wanted with it, too, but something tells me the kink meme is too scary for my taste. Including the occasional nose-bleeding and wish to turn back time.


The kink meme's not too bad if you use the delicious archives and keep your tag searches very specific.  For example, most fics tagged with "fluff" will not be the mind-scarring type.

Or you could just do what I did, dive in headfirst and develop a thick layer of scar tissue over your brain.  I can see the weirdest prompts now and just go, "eh."  I'm not sure it's a good thing, though :lol:


I'll keep that in mind ;)

Though I make no promises about the scar tissue thing. Sounds a little scary.

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Hm.  I've been thinking about writing a fanfic following Garrus post-end mission ME3.  Just how he copes with losing Shepard (this would be a Femshep romanced Garrus), how he interacts with the rest of the squad, etc.

I'm pretty sure someone out there has done this, but everybody's got a different take on things and I haven't seen it if they have.

What I'm curious about, is if anyone would want to read it.

I don't, and won't, write smut.  So if you're looking for that kind of story, mine wouldn't be for you.

And a thought I had:  Shepard came on to Garrus as strongly as she did not because she was just. that. horny, but because she'd been interested in Garrus before, but hadn't acted on it.  And then she died.  Wouldn't want to make that mistake again when she's not going to come back from the dead, would she?

I've also seen some people say the relationship really feels like it's forced on Garrus.  But I don't see it that way.  Yes, Shepard is making most of the moves, but:

• Garrus almost certainly finds Shepard attractive, just hasn't considered having sex together until she asks.  He did get a little flirty with the "Some women find facial scars attractive" line.  This also would explain why he was so quick to agree to Shepard's proposition (he does seem to look her over a bit before he turns his back to her for a moment), only to realize it might not be such a great idea later on and worry about what exactly Shepard wants from him.

• The line about "I'm sure you can find someone a little closer to home" is preceded by "I'm not s--"  He's not sure?  He's not someone she can just use?  "I'm not sure what you want from this" maybe?  "I'm not some consort?"  I don't know.  I once, when I first played ME2, thought it was evidence he really didn't want to be with Shepard.  But given context (how he's suddenly okay with it once Shepard assures him it's about him), he's probably more worried that sex is all she wants, or that this is just some creepy xenophile fetish thing.  But the whole romance in ME2, he drops hints that he sees it as something more than just sex between them.  He respects her more than anyone else, this isn't about "that" but about them, and he wants a few moments that are just for them.  He's terrified it's going to be awkward and ruin things between them, but he wants it to happen oh-so-much.

• When you are cheating someone else and pick Garrus, Garrus states he's not complaining that Shepard chose him instead.  He's surprised she wants him, but he seems pretty happy she does.

• You really think he'd go through all that trouble trying to make things perfect, and nervously avoid reading any manuals or watching any vids (too afraid, maybe, that he'd find out it's just going to be too difficult?  Or that he won't be into that and then they'll both be disappointed?) if he didn't like the idea?  He brings wine, he brings music, he tries compliments.  He screws it up royally but he's trying to make that into a fantastic date.  I don't think he'd expend that much effort, and credits, on it if it weren't something he wanted.

• And at the beginning of ME3, he's very eager to pick up where things left off.  Break it off with him and he's so clearly disappointed/heartbroken that Shepard actually attempts twice in that scene to reassure him.  That's not how you act when you've been forced/pressured into something and you don't really want it.

I don't like what I've heard about him taking up with Tali even if you don't break up with Garrus until the Citadel scene in ME3.  I haven't done a playthrough where I saved after breaking up with him, but apparently that's what he does.  You could look at Tali being the rebound girl, or maybe at Garrus as trying to take a little romantic revenge by being with another of Shepard's close friends?  Either way it seems he moves on a bit too fast.  Which does fit with the argument that he's not actually that into Shepard, except... Have you really watched his face in the Citadel scene?  He doesn't just smile after that kiss.  He's smiling the entire time, as long as you don't reject him. It's not a big smile, just a hint of one--but look at his eyes and mandibles, he's definitely smiling.  That's more smiling than you see from Garrus, well, ever.   Which is probably why the camera focused on his face instead of the very nice cheek-stroke animation that one of the people here (Collider I think?) caught some time back.  Point being Shepard's making him almost deliriously happy, which makes losing her at the end all the more tragic.

But yeah.  Regarding the fanfic, I am not sure where/if I will post it, if I ever get around to writing it.  But, I'm curious if there's any interest in it at all?  And if so, whether anyone would be willing to go on Google Docs or something and read it before I posted it.  I think it would be pretty long.

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Heh. Nice.

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And a thought I had:  Shepard came on to Garrus as strongly as she did not because she was just. that. horny, but because she'd been interested in Garrus before, but hadn't acted on it.  And then she died.  Wouldn't want to make that mistake again when she's not going to come back from the dead, would she?


Hey, I am always down for more FemShep/Garrus.  Most fics I see don't have Shep interested in him (or at least consciously aware of it) until ME2, so it'll be cool to see a slightly different take on it.  Hell, my FemShep had to get beat over the head repeatedly by Kelly and Kasumi before she even so much as considered it.

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My Impatient-Shepard (whose name I've forgotten) was more like: Wow, he's got a nice voice...

Then realizing he was rooting for her side, was intent on doing the Right Thing even though he frequently screwed up... yeah, she was interested by the time ME1 ended. But, again, this fic would follow Garrus, post-ME3. There may be mention of stuff from ME1 and ME2, because he'd be interacting with some of the crew while on the random tropical planet.

If I write this, I might just put it in my BSN blog, for now. I don't normally write fanfiction, so I don't see the point of joining fanfiction.net.

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I love Garrus, but I was really dissatisfied with his romance in ME3. The kissing and holding scenes just reeked of fanservice. I mean... I know a lot of people really loved it, but the kissing scene? Garrus doesn't even have lips.

I would've MUCH prefered a romance where Shepard needs to learn how to 'romance' from a turian point of view. Romance Alien Style would've been really interesting. Garrus isn't a human with a funny looking mask. He's not even made out of fleshy parts. He's made out of metal. He's an alien.

I'm just wondering if there are any other Garrus lovers out there who were also disappointed with the weirdly human-centered romance... I've read better delivered fanfic. And fanart. :/

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HolyJellyfish wrote....
I would've MUCH prefered a romance where Shepard needs to learn how to 'romance' from a turian point of view. Romance Alien Style would've been really interesting. Garrus isn't a human with a funny looking mask. He's not even made out of fleshy parts. He's made out of metal. He's an alien.


Garrus isn't made out of metal.  The plates on turians are meant to protect from radiation, not knife stabs or anything.  He's flesh and blood, just with thicker and probably leatherier skin.

I personally think two of them meet halfway in terms of the romance; turians probably have some methods of expressing affection that are just as alien to us as kissing is to them, and he and Shep just sort of split the difference.  And I don't think they did a great job of showing that in ME3, but giving us a Garrus romance in the first place was probably a huge step out of their comfort zone for the writers in ME3.  I don't blame them for going a little more conventional for the in-game scenes.

Besides, they know we can fill in the details ourselves with our depraved minds and all :)

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote....
I would've MUCH prefered a romance where Shepard needs to learn how to 'romance' from a turian point of view. Romance Alien Style would've been really interesting. Garrus isn't a human with a funny looking mask. He's not even made out of fleshy parts. He's made out of metal. He's an alien.


Garrus isn't made out of metal.  The plates on turians are meant to protect from radiation, not knife stabs or anything.  He's flesh and blood, just with thicker and probably leatherier skin.

I personally think two of them meet halfway in terms of the romance; turians probably have some methods of expressing affection that are just as alien to us as kissing is to them, and he and Shep just sort of split the difference.  And I don't think they did a great job of showing that in ME3, but giving us a Garrus romance in the first place was probably a huge step out of their comfort zone for the writers in ME3.  I don't blame them for going a little more conventional for the in-game scenes.

Besides, they know we can fill in the details ourselves with our depraved minds and all :)


Fully agreed. Besides, they have had some time (perhaps not canon, but my Shepards had) between ME2 and ME3 to learn the "hows" or "wheres". There's at least one other turian who is shown holding hands with an asari, so showing Shepard and Garrus doing the same is not exactly disappointing to me...

@Brass_Buckles: You bring up some very interesting points for your Shepard. Mine are quite different, and my interpretation of some game aspects is also different, but it's always nice to read someone else's take on the events of the ME triology.
However, I wouldn't read a post-ME3 fiction centred around loss, angst, depression etc, and Garrus coping with Shepard's loss sounds like it.

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So just reading the last few posts has brought a question to mind. What do you think is the state of Turian/Human (romantic) relationships in the ME universe? Other than Shepard and Garrus, I think there is only one other example of a Human/Turian relationship in game (Gavorn/unknown human male), though correct me if I'm wrong.

Considering how things usually are in universe, I can't imagine it is looked down upon, at least not by most species (though I can see maybe a few humans being against it, First Contact War and all), but I also can't imagine it being as common as any species in a relationship with an Asari. I always imagined it like "Huh, you don't see that everyday." Something that would probably stand out, maybe get a few curious stares, but really wasn't a big deal.

Anyways, just a thought I had, maybe get some discussion going.

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xAmilli0n wrote...
What do you think is the state of Turian/Human (romantic) relationships in the ME universe? Other than Shepard and Garrus, I think there is only one other example of a Human/Turian relationship in game (Gavorn/unknown human male), though correct me if I'm wrong.


I think Gavorn's thing is fanon, extrapolated from a clip of him hanging out with a human dude in Liara's vid archive during LoTSB.  

As for human/turian relationships, I think the attitude probably changes from ME1 to ME3.  By ME3, we've got batarians and humans leaning on each other's shoulders for support.  That's a much bigger prejudice hurdle than humans and turians, so by that point, everyone probably figures the world is going to end and stops caring about species.

In ME1, I'd say it's comparable to same-sex marriage in the US.  It's controversial and not very common, but it happens, and attitudes vary widely based on where you are.

EDIT: ToP AGAIN?  Forum, you makin' me work for my Garrus fix.
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