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[Obliviousmiss]

 Sorry guys but I just gotta say "No Shepard without Vakarian" is a nonsense line IMO.

 

 

Call it him just being nice to a good friend, but... let's not get carried away, Shepard.

 

Sorry you don't love Garrus as much as other people, but the "No Shepard without Vakarian" is a Paragon response in the game. So it's not a "carried away line," it's canon!  

 

Just seeing if anyone here is still interested, I stumbled upon a GREAT fanfiction a few years ago that's ME1 and ME2.... I say a few years ago....but she was writing it right before ME3 came out. I'm getting old. I'll be happy to post the link, but only if people REALLY want a great story to sink into! 

[Mlady]

Sorry you don't love Garrus as much as other people, but the "No Shepard without Vakarian" is a Paragon response in the game. So it's not a "carried away line," it's canon!

 

Just seeing if anyone here is still interested, I stumbled upon a GREAT fanfiction a few years ago that's ME1 and ME2.... I say a few years ago....but she was writing it right before ME3 came out. I'm getting old. I'll be happy to post the link, but only if people REALLY want a great story to sink into! 

 

Like hugging Anderson. If you don't Paragon it, they just shake hands. It's all about how you perceive the relationships and how your Shepard would see them, and Paragon Sheaprds see Garrus as their best friend.

[Monica21]

Sorry you don't love Garrus as much as other people, but the "No Shepard without Vakarian" is a Paragon response in the game. So it's not a "carried away line," it's canon!

Which I think is the point of the person who said it's a nonsense line. You can play a Paragon and never recruit Garrus in ME1, and still have him talk about "old time" in ME2. You can never take him on a single mission, but you still get the "no Shepard without Vakarian" line. It's not about it being "canon" it's that it's just not canon in many people's playthroughs, which makes it kind of silly if you've been playing without Garrus.

[Mlady]

Which I think is the point of the person who said it's a nonsense line. You can play a Paragon and never recruit Garrus in ME1, and still have him talk about "old time" in ME2. You can never take him on a single mission, but you still get the "no Shepard without Vakarian" line. It's not about it being "canon" it's that it's just not canon in many people's playthroughs, which makes it kind of silly if you've been playing without Garrus.

 

I think it's assumed if you play the good guy, you will recruit everyone. Not fair to some and I agree, but the fact is, a good Shepard will take all the help they can get and talk to everyone and help them. We should have had a Renegade interrupt saying "I don't know why I ever recruited you, but you're not that bad I guess, just keep out of my way" lol but still the best scene for me, especially since I romanced him.

[Monica21]

I think it's assumed if you play the good guy, you will recruit everyone. Not fair to some and I agree, but the fact is, a good Shepard will take all the help they can get and talk to everyone and help them. We should have had a Renegade interrupt saying "I don't know why I ever recruited you, but you're not that bad I guess, just keep out of my way" lol but still the best scene for me, especially since I romanced him.

And you can still recruit everyone and never take Garrus on a single mission. You can do his loyalty missions and never take him anywhere else, and still be Paragon. It's a nonsense line. Garrus is a favorite among squadmates and romance partners, but that doesn't negate the fact that it's just not a true statement for a lot of playthroughs. It's a line that just sounds good.

[Mlady]

And you can still recruit everyone and never take Garrus on a single mission. You can do his loyalty missions and never take him anywhere else, and still be Paragon. It's a nonsense line. Garrus is a favorite among squadmates and romance partners, but that doesn't negate the fact that it's just not a true statement for a lot of playthroughs. It's a line that just sounds good.

 

I hardly see a Paragon playthrough where he isn't used lol but I guess the devs assumed it was the most common thing, plus the demands for his romance made him popular enough that they felt the interrupt fit, and many players calling him their bro encouraged that too. Catering equally to both sides should have counted more in many BW games imo, but it seems Paragon was the intended plan if you want a "good" ending and I feel it was not the best choice they made tbh.

 

But as a Garrus fan myself, I always thought of him as my Shep's pal. I romanced Thane first, then tried Garrus and honestly can't try any other now lol and Kaiden's my Shep's new bro, while Garrus is my Shep's lover. 

[Monica21]

I hardly see a Paragon playthrough where he isn't used lol

Why?

[Mlady]

Why?

 

 I don't know. Every playthrough I've seen on YouTube is all about bro Garrus or sexy and romanced Garrus and a Paragon Shep. I'd love to see different types, but it seems to be a pattern in the playthroughs I've seen. I think playing a xenophobe Paragon would be a fun twist or a Paragon who was uncomfortable with just Turians due to the war that was still fresh for them because of family or friends or how they were taught to view things.

[Monica21]

I don't know. Every playthrough I've seen on YouTube is all about bro Garrus or sexy and romanced Garrus and a Paragon Shep. I'd love to see different types, but it seems to be a pattern in the playthroughs I've seen. I think playing a xenophobe Paragon would be a fun twist or a Paragon who was uncomfortable with just Turians due to the war that was still fresh for them because of family or friends or how they were taught to view things.

It was not my intention to come into the Garrus thread and be argumentative, but there are many different playstyles. Not taking Garrus along does not mean your Shepard is a xenophobe. It just means you don't take Garrus.

All I'm saying is that the line is kind of silly when put in context with the way people actually play the game. There are a million ways to play, including getting Garrus killed in the suicide mission. And upgrading the shields doesn't mean that Garrus is your bro, it just means you upgraded the shields. There is a lot of room between "xenophobe" and "bro" or "lover."

[Mlady]

It was not my intention to come into the Garrus thread and be argumentative, but there are many different playstyles. Not taking Garrus along does not mean your Shepard is a xenophobe. It just means you don't take Garrus.

All I'm saying is that the line is kind of silly when put in context with the way people actually play the game. There are a million ways to play, including getting Garrus killed in the suicide mission. And upgrading the shields doesn't mean that Garrus is your bro, it just means you upgraded the shields. There is a lot of room between "xenophobe" and "bro" or "lover."

 

Wait... what argument? I was telling you my own ideas of fun playthroughs and how that creativity was lacking on BW's part when it came to Paragon and Renegade interrupts or choices.

 

You'll have to forgive me if I came off wrong, you see I am an open-minded woman, who is always optimistic and enjoys other pov's and sharing other possibilities instead of being set on one path, so nothing offends me, though I do enjoy a good debate sometimes, but either way, no worries for feeling you came off argumentative.

[themikefest]

The few times I've played paragon, I didn't recruit Garrus in ME1 and he dies in ME2. I heard that line in London once, and didn't agree with it at all. I look at it as Shepard, at least mine, knowing a turian that was on the Normandy helping stop the reapers. That doesn't make him my friend

 

I ignore his goodbye, if alive, and all the other goodbyes in London since I don't agree with having them in London

[Obliviousmiss]

As a lover of all things Garrus, it baffles me that some people go out of their way to involve him as little as possible in the games. 

 

But to each their own. 

[Monica21]

Wait... what argument? I was telling you my own ideas of fun playthroughs and how that creativity was lacking on BW's part when it came to Paragon and Renegade interrupts or choices.

I just wanted to apologize in advance I'd I was coming across as argumentative. It wasn't my intention.

[Mlady]

I just wanted to apologize in advance I'd I was coming across as argumentative. It wasn't my intention.

 

No need to apologize at all, I never thought that at all.

[Obliviousmiss]

https://www.fanficti...09972/Roarkshop


Here's that awesome fan fiction I mentioned earlier! I read it every year!

Edit: dammit. *starts to read it again*

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Sorry you don't love Garrus as much as other people, but the "No Shepard without Vakarian" is a Paragon response in the game. So it's not a "carried away line," it's canon!

 

Just seeing if anyone here is still interested, I stumbled upon a GREAT fanfiction a few years ago that's ME1 and ME2.... I say a few years ago....but she was writing it right before ME3 came out. I'm getting old. I'll be happy to post the link, but only if people REALLY want a great story to sink into! 

 

 

I know where it comes from. It's got nothing to do with my opinion of Garrus. The implication there is "no Shepard" without him, though?

 

Sorry, that is pretty ridiculous. Shepard was definitely someone before Garrus came along. Graduating N7 is not something that nobodies do. Shepard can also have an impressive service-record, one even gives him/her a pretty profound nickname in "Butcher of Torfan." And -- oh, yeah -- candidate for first human Spectre before Garrus comes along. Come to think of it, Shepard can complete the investigation of Saren and even the mission to stop him all without Garrus. So, first human Spectre and savior of the Citadel ... all things Shepard can be without Garrus.

 

Garrus even says in ME2 that Shepard sure could do it without him, just "not as stylishly."

 

So yeah, anyway, not even trying to hate on Garrus, just saying I much prefer the "Renegade" (if it's even that anymore) line there. But the thread title adopted the paragon line, the clear player preference in general, so I have to give you a hard time about it.   Anyway, rant finished, I'll show myself out now.

[corkyspetals]

some people go out of their way to involve him as little as possible in the games. 

 

 

 

I'm on team Kaidan, but I need my wingman Garrus with me.  We don't agree eye to eye (eyepiece to eyepiece?) on everything, but I need Garrus to test my ethics.  Besides, that voice....

[aoibhealfae]

There's entire subreddit dedicated for Garrus and the main r/masseffect itself is populated by very very passionate Garrusmancers if you want more love.

 

But I've grown indifferent to Garrus and Garrusmancers. I don't fancy Brandon Keener (I do think his advertisements was funny tho). I don't romanticize military imperialists, alien or not. The only Turian I genuinely like are Nyreen Kendros.

 

Garrus did have another incarnation in Star Wars the Old Republic as a Cathar Republic officer named Aric Jorgan who is also romanceable. There are things about him that I wished was available to Garrus, like being completely renegade to him and not being his moral compass for once.

[Obliviousmiss]

 

 

But I've grown indifferent to Garrus and Garrusmancers. I don't fancy Brandon Keener (I do think his advertisements was funny tho). I don't romanticize military imperialists, alien or not. The only Turian I genuinely like are Nyreen Kendros.

 

 

And that's the beauty of choice and variety of romances in the ME Universe  

 

I just need to explain myself. I'm relatively new to the forums, and I used to hang out on deviantart with all the Garrus lovers over there, but I wanted more official news so I headed here. I was disturbed that Garrus lovin' threads were buried under 6 pages of old threads.  

 

I love Garrus because he reflects my own love life in a way. He is my Shepard's best friend, my husband is my best friend. We were friends before love. I love Shep and Garrus because they are friends, yet Shepard was searching for comfort with someone, and she wanted someone she could trust. When Garrus hears this, he didn't think of Shepard that way, but he begins to see her in a whole new light. It's like someone flipped the switch from friendship to attraction. He gets more and more excited about the prospect only to figuratively fall on his face when he tries to be romantic.

 

While it was my husband who approached me about being more than friends, he is so like Garrus when he tries to be romantic. Sweet, but often falls on his face. He got better at it over time though, which is what floored me from ME2 to ME3.

 

In ME3, we learn that Garrus not only has been thinking about Shepard, he's putting his heart on the line hoping that she still feels the same way about him. He gives her some space, all the while teasing her / practicing his lines. It turns out that he loves her, and he can't take her shameless flirting anymore. (when my husband approached me about being his girlfriend, I was going out with different boys every weekend.)  

 

But it becomes more than romance. It becomes a trusting bond to cling on to while the universe falls to pieces. Who do you need when everything falls apart? The person who you trust the most and can find comfort in, who can protect you yet still make you laugh.

 

That's why I love Garrus, and absolutely cannot romance anyone else. I TRIED, DAMMIT. I tried. I tried to  be with Thane! I gave Kaidan a whirl, only to dump him every time. Liara was more like a friend. 

 

So now you understand my need to keep this thread going. But I'm thinking that the people who kept this thread going left the forums long ago.....  

[aoibhealfae]

Even Kaidan's thread was neglected for a while since this BSN forum style is quite new and most of the older threads are locked until a few years ago. I occasionally post stuff up like Kaidan's gifs or Raphael Sbarge news (I was his OUAT fan before I start playing his games) and the Oscar Isaac bit was recent and completely coincidental really. The interesting bit about Kaidanmancers was that we're also two different community and preferences i.e : FemShep/Kaidan and BroShep/Kaidan. There's so many interpretation and sometimes people do get possessive and emotional as well.

 

But it is still a fact that Garrus and Liara are both still massively popular LIs in Mass Effect community. There's no much to worry really if the thread seems inactive, just keep on fangirling and post stuff once in a while.

[Mlady]

And that's the beauty of choice and variety of romances in the ME Universe

 

I just need to explain myself. I'm relatively new to the forums, and I used to hang out on deviantart with all the Garrus lovers over there, but I wanted more official news so I headed here. I was disturbed that Garrus lovin' threads were buried under 6 pages of old threads.

 

I love Garrus because he reflects my own love life in a way. He is my Shepard's best friend, my husband is my best friend. We were friends before love. I love Shep and Garrus because they are friends, yet Shepard was searching for comfort with someone, and she wanted someone she could trust. When Garrus hears this, he didn't think of Shepard that way, but he begins to see her in a whole new light. It's like someone flipped the switch from friendship to attraction. He gets more and more excited about the prospect only to figuratively fall on his face when he tries to be romantic.

 

While it was my husband who approached me about being more than friends, he is so like Garrus when he tries to be romantic. Sweet, but often falls on his face. He got better at it over time though, which is what floored me from ME2 to ME3.

 

In ME3, we learn that Garrus not only has been thinking about Shepard, he's putting his heart on the line hoping that she still feels the same way about him. He gives her some space, all the while teasing her / practicing his lines. It turns out that he loves her, and he can't take her shameless flirting anymore. (when my husband approached me about being his girlfriend, I was going out with different boys every weekend.)  

 

But it becomes more than romance. It becomes a trusting bond to cling on to while the universe falls to pieces. Who do you need when everything falls apart? The person who you trust the most and can find comfort in, who can protect you yet still make you laugh.

 

That's why I love Garrus, and absolutely cannot romance anyone else. I TRIED, DAMMIT. I tried. I tried to  be with Thane! I gave Kaidan a whirl, only to dump him every time. Liara was more like a friend. 

 

So now you understand my need to keep this thread going. But I'm thinking that the people who kept this thread going left the forums long ago.....

 

I also can't romance anyone but Garrus and I've tried. He and Shepard just seem meant to be despite him not being an originally planned romance for FemShep.

[Obliviousmiss]

Best Garrusmance tribute ever. My contribute to the view count is embarrassing.

[Mrs_Stick]

Best Garrusmance tribute ever. My contribute to the view count is embarrassing.

 

I love that video. My count is embarrassing too so your not alone.

[Obliviousmiss]

I love that video. My count is embarrassing too so your not alone.

 

I have a playlist on my youtube called "Fangirl Central: You've been warned." To warn my husband that he should never, ever, ever, venture there. Too many Garrus / Solas videos in there. He would evaluate my sanity, that's for sure. 

[Mlady]

On my last playthrough another one of my fav things about choosing Garrus is his dialogue in the Citadel DLC and on Earth. He talks about Shepard meeting his family and how he wants a good impression, then jokes her falling through the floor of fish would be a great ice breaker, and on Earth talks of settling down and having kids. I love how the romance becomes so much more than simply friends with benefits like in ME2 and you see its progression near the end of ME2 and all through ME3 and if Shepard lives, you know she'll have a happy ending and one she truly deserves with her best friend who she fell in love with.