You know what my favourite conversation with Mordin is (and really, I like all of them but if I had to choose..)? The bit where he goes on about how the Protheans/Collectors are culturally dead.. you can really get a feel for his thought process on the whole situation, trying to work out what the Reapers are up to and why they are doing it, the whole explanation about why societies develop technology and push the boundaries of knowledge and science.. I don't know why but it just fascinates me and he's probably the only character that is actively trying to understand the enemy instead of just trying to destroy them.
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Posté 10 septembre 2011 - 04:15
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I make no secret my lifelong passion for (most things) Star Trek -- I love the vibrancy of that universe, the myriad cultures and political and societal belief systems. And some of them are pretty fleshed-out too.
Mordin's the guy who'd fit in as the ever-present philosopher of Trek. That Protheans/Collectors conversation mirrors some dialogue from the franchise to a tee and I absolutely love it.
Mordin's the guy who'd fit in as the ever-present philosopher of Trek. That Protheans/Collectors conversation mirrors some dialogue from the franchise to a tee and I absolutely love it.
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Posté 11 septembre 2011 - 12:24
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This thread should be the one having 500 pages. Mordin's one of the best characters in the game. His dialogue was constantly surprising me with its intelligence. I want as much of his company in ME3 as possible, his writing is exceptional. Want to hear him rambling again. I want his input on EVERYTHING that's happening. How am I supposed to make sense of the Reaper invasion without his profoundly insightful commentary?
Maybe he can finally explain to me what's up with Cerberus, because none of it makes sense to me, and it won't make sense to me even if I learn all the events.
Maybe he can tell me how I am supposed to convince the aliens to bring help to Earth, because I haven't the slightest idea how. If I do quests for them and they become stronger, wouldn't it make more sense for them to throw everything they have on protecting their own worlds and colonies?
Maybe he can offer at least some wild hypotheses about how we can defeat the Reapers, because of now, I can't see what we can do to oppose them.
Even if he doesn't offer answers, he can at least offer insight, or maybe comfort if nothing else.
He helped me make sense of the Collectors. He enabled us to stand against the seeker swarms. He was the soul and the spirit of my team in ME2. Now that TIM betrayed me, if I lose Mordin as well, the situation will become desperate. I'll just feel profoundly lost and alone, and where will I find hope? My own reserves are not infinite.
Don't get rid of Mordin, please. The other squadmates, it's good to have their support, I suppose, but they're not nearly as intelligent as our Professor. The most they can give me is offer their faith in my abilities and their loyalty, and their determination to fight the Reapers, but they're just soldiers, following orders, and I want the support of someone equal to me. To be able to see the problem from a different angle. And besides, everyone's going to be worried about their own people, but I can still count on Mordin to worry about the galaxy in general.
And I believe he wouldn't want to sacrifice humanity unless there's no other choice, and even if there's no choice, I can still sway him. I need some influence with the STG - be it a legal agent...or a spy. And wouldn't it be quite a feat, convincing Mordin to become my spy? Right now, I've got no sway whatsoever with the Council. And I've never been able to convince them to help human colonies - Council space or otherwise. I don't believe in their gratitude and good faith.
And he's the only one who can develop a cure for indoctrination. He's got papers written on Reaper indoctrination already. We need that cure. Even if we win the war and retake the Earth, half the humans are going to be indoctrinated. Or maybe he can develop something to block indoctrination signal. We need that countermeasure now. I absolutely need Mordin on my side in ME3!
Maybe he can finally explain to me what's up with Cerberus, because none of it makes sense to me, and it won't make sense to me even if I learn all the events.
Maybe he can tell me how I am supposed to convince the aliens to bring help to Earth, because I haven't the slightest idea how. If I do quests for them and they become stronger, wouldn't it make more sense for them to throw everything they have on protecting their own worlds and colonies?
Maybe he can offer at least some wild hypotheses about how we can defeat the Reapers, because of now, I can't see what we can do to oppose them.
Even if he doesn't offer answers, he can at least offer insight, or maybe comfort if nothing else.
He helped me make sense of the Collectors. He enabled us to stand against the seeker swarms. He was the soul and the spirit of my team in ME2. Now that TIM betrayed me, if I lose Mordin as well, the situation will become desperate. I'll just feel profoundly lost and alone, and where will I find hope? My own reserves are not infinite.
Don't get rid of Mordin, please. The other squadmates, it's good to have their support, I suppose, but they're not nearly as intelligent as our Professor. The most they can give me is offer their faith in my abilities and their loyalty, and their determination to fight the Reapers, but they're just soldiers, following orders, and I want the support of someone equal to me. To be able to see the problem from a different angle. And besides, everyone's going to be worried about their own people, but I can still count on Mordin to worry about the galaxy in general.
And I believe he wouldn't want to sacrifice humanity unless there's no other choice, and even if there's no choice, I can still sway him. I need some influence with the STG - be it a legal agent...or a spy. And wouldn't it be quite a feat, convincing Mordin to become my spy? Right now, I've got no sway whatsoever with the Council. And I've never been able to convince them to help human colonies - Council space or otherwise. I don't believe in their gratitude and good faith.
And he's the only one who can develop a cure for indoctrination. He's got papers written on Reaper indoctrination already. We need that cure. Even if we win the war and retake the Earth, half the humans are going to be indoctrinated. Or maybe he can develop something to block indoctrination signal. We need that countermeasure now. I absolutely need Mordin on my side in ME3!
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Posté 11 septembre 2011 - 12:41
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Yeah, when it came to morals and ethical decisions Mordin had to be the deepest character for me.leonia42 wrote...
You know what my favourite conversation with Mordin is (and really, I like all of them but if I had to choose..)? The bit where he goes on about how the Protheans/Collectors are culturally dead.. you can really get a feel for his thought process on the whole situation, trying to work out what the Reapers are up to and why they are doing it, the whole explanation about why societies develop technology and push the boundaries of knowledge and science.. I don't know why but it just fascinates me and he's probably the only character that is actively trying to understand the enemy instead of just trying to destroy them.
And I liked that he was one of the few who really backs up what he believed was right.
One of my favorite moments is still the first meeting with him. When I didn't want to tell him who I worked for right away, and he goes through a quick thought by thought process, able to determine that Cerberus sent you. That's when I knew he was going to fit into the BA genius category.
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Posté 11 septembre 2011 - 02:31
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I think part of the reason Mordin's character works so much (in addition to depth; normally a quirky genius character isn't that popular, but the underyling seriousness of what he does combined with the outlandish personality works really well) is that there's a lot of social/racial commentary embedded into his missions and his dialogue.
The Collector conversation where he brings up cultural/tech development sounds to me like a clear hint at European colonialism (and abandonment) in Africa and the ensuing destruction after introducing modern weapons and military tactics to tribal cultures that were relatively insulated from the rest of the Old World until rapid travel in the 20th century. Whether you agree with the basis of the criticism or not, it's still something interesting that exists there. Not sure if that was BW's intention, but that's the first thing I thought of when Mordin brought up how the krogan "weren't ready".
The Collector conversation where he brings up cultural/tech development sounds to me like a clear hint at European colonialism (and abandonment) in Africa and the ensuing destruction after introducing modern weapons and military tactics to tribal cultures that were relatively insulated from the rest of the Old World until rapid travel in the 20th century. Whether you agree with the basis of the criticism or not, it's still something interesting that exists there. Not sure if that was BW's intention, but that's the first thing I thought of when Mordin brought up how the krogan "weren't ready".
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Just like a lot of people, I loved that moment when he sings. Not only because it's so unexpected and entertaining, but because it was very heartwarming. And that dialogue went amazingly. I felt perfect connection with my avatar.
Mordin mentions that he sang in passing, and at that moment, I completely lost track of the conversation. I wanted to know - what, he sings? And, to my delight, I saw that very option to ask him that question! So I seized it immediately. What I didn't expect that he would actually demonstrate it. I thought that maybe he'd change the topic or doesn't go into detail, but apparently he trusted me enough with that, and he was in a good mood, too.
It was a perfect culmination of his loyalty arc. I felt like Mordin was finally completely content with his past, our mission, and his Commander.
Mordin mentions that he sang in passing, and at that moment, I completely lost track of the conversation. I wanted to know - what, he sings? And, to my delight, I saw that very option to ask him that question! So I seized it immediately. What I didn't expect that he would actually demonstrate it. I thought that maybe he'd change the topic or doesn't go into detail, but apparently he trusted me enough with that, and he was in a good mood, too.
It was a perfect culmination of his loyalty arc. I felt like Mordin was finally completely content with his past, our mission, and his Commander.
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Posté 12 septembre 2011 - 03:02
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DaftArbiter wrote...
I think part of the reason Mordin's character works so much (in addition to depth; normally a quirky genius character isn't that popular, but the underyling seriousness of what he does combined with the outlandish personality works really well) is that there's a lot of social/racial commentary embedded into his missions and his dialogue.
The Collector conversation where he brings up cultural/tech development sounds to me like a clear hint at European colonialism (and abandonment) in Africa and the ensuing destruction after introducing modern weapons and military tactics to tribal cultures that were relatively insulated from the rest of the Old World until rapid travel in the 20th century. Whether you agree with the basis of the criticism or not, it's still something interesting that exists there. Not sure if that was BW's intention, but that's the first thing I thought of when Mordin brought up how the krogan "weren't ready".
I thought the same too but it might be one of those unintentional things like the whole Virmire situation with Kaidan/Ashley showing why mixed gender units and fraternization is a bad idea.
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laecraft wrote...
Just like a lot of people, I loved that moment when he sings. Not only because it's so unexpected and entertaining, but because it was very heartwarming. And that dialogue went amazingly. I felt perfect connection with my avatar.
Mordin mentions that he sang in passing, and at that moment, I completely lost track of the conversation. I wanted to know - what, he sings? And, to my delight, I saw that very option to ask him that question! So I seized it immediately. What I didn't expect that he would actually demonstrate it. I thought that maybe he'd change the topic or doesn't go into detail, but apparently he trusted me enough with that, and he was in a good mood, too.
It was a perfect culmination of his loyalty arc. I felt like Mordin was finally completely content with his past, our mission, and his Commander.
laecraft, you explained exactly what I've been thinking since I first saw that scene. It was the best friendship scene in the whole game, I think. Of all the companions, I feel like Mordin is the most trustworthy character, because he's so honest with the Commander and so dedicated to doing good in the world. Er, galaxy. Whatever. My point is, Mordin rocks, and he should at the very least be one of the characters on the cover of ME3.
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Posté 12 septembre 2011 - 07:03
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Mordin's a superb character. I'm interested to see what his part in this genophage curing krogan female is in ME3 and perhaps more importantly why. He puts forward to some pretty compelling argument in support of the genophage in ME2. Granted he's obviously still conflicted but i can't see what use a booming krogan population is going to be against giant starships.
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Posté 12 septembre 2011 - 10:45
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Mordin's song is the most precious gift to me, landmark of our friendship, generously given. I'll always keep it close to my heart. The way he gave it to me so spontaneously, with barely a warning, it's characteristic of salarians' hyperactive nature, too. What I love most about that song is that it was both a completely surprising turn of conversation and a completely natural culmination of our friendship at the same time.
And it was so good to have a happy teammate on board, despite everything, despite all that doom and gloom. Most unusual experience for my Shepard, who's used to making people dead, not happy.
Also, it was one of the few uplifting moments in the game. Singing, on board of the ship destined for a suicidal mission? Life defies its greatest enemy.
Hee, and after he finished, I just stared for the few moments, speechless. And that awkward cough!
And it was so good to have a happy teammate on board, despite everything, despite all that doom and gloom. Most unusual experience for my Shepard, who's used to making people dead, not happy.
Also, it was one of the few uplifting moments in the game. Singing, on board of the ship destined for a suicidal mission? Life defies its greatest enemy.
Hee, and after he finished, I just stared for the few moments, speechless. And that awkward cough!
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Posté 13 septembre 2011 - 01:33
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He does make a point when Shepard first talks about how the genophage tests Maelon was doing and the deaths. Mordin goes something like, find a cure their deaths would mean something. I have him keep a copy.DCarter wrote...
Mordin's a superb character. I'm interested to see what his part in this genophage curing krogan female is in ME3 and perhaps more importantly why. He puts forward to some pretty compelling argument in support of the genophage in ME2. Granted he's obviously still conflicted but i can't see what use a booming krogan population is going to be against giant starships.
Of the ME2 characters, Mordin is my favorite. Him and Samara. Both gave you the best conversations.
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 02:22
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Definitely want Mordin back. He is a co-favourite alongside Thane. Hopefully as a squadmate, and not limited to a single mission. He needs to be throughout the entire story since he was so important in ME2.
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 09:13
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Everyone's posts are a joy to read in this topic but of special note tonight for me would be laecraft's. Nicely put, I agree on all accounts, my fellow Mordin appreciator!
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 09:26
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The passion is infectious! And I, for one, don't wanna be cured!
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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 12:50
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Mordin's my favourite subject. I could ramble about him for hours.
We're meeting captain Kirrahe in ME3 again. I remember being surprised when Mordin said he didn't think much of that military bravado. ("Eh...No offense, Shepard." Awww.) Then I read Mordin's SB file on that mission with captain Kirrahe, and I gained a new appreciation of his view.
Kirrahe got two of his people killed because he refused to adapt to the situation, refused to listen to Mordin's input, and insisted on "holding the line." He probably did his best, and it's easy to judge after the battle, but I can't help wondering...Kirrahe's plan resulted in one of my people getting killed on Virmire. Could things have gone differently if I had Mordin with me?
Also, I love when Mordin starts ducking under the desk during a conversation. What is it, "discouraging curiosity"? Or just hiding his expression? That's adorable.
He personally participates in all those dispersal missions, refusing to leave after being injured. Then he turns up in a clinic on Omega, the cesspit of corruption, among the thugs who wouldn't hesitate to shoot him. In the middle of the plague that kills everyone but humans and the vorcha. And this path leads him to a suicidal mission with Shepard. Is he trying to get himself killed?
For saving the krogan! It's just the method itself that he couldn't cope with. He's the most noble person in the galaxy. And he's willing to do what's necessary at the same time. That's just ultimately badass. He's like the best of Paragon and Renegade combined. My Shepard wants to be like him, but knows he can't achieve this perfection.
Mordin's the only one whose judgement and insight I can trust. My Shepard's a better person because of him. And he's just adorable. I need him on my side in ME3!
I wish I could tell him that I have utmost respect for him, and that I'll always stand by him. I wish we could be allowed an option to tell the characters exactly what we think of them.
My Shepard desperately needs people like Mordin and Wrex as a reason why the salarians and the krogan are worth fighting for. He wouldn't mind a similar human example, too, for anthropomorphizing. Preferably someone from the Earth. (Random dead kids and treacherous mentors don't count.)
Well, there's TIM, of course, but I doubt I'll be allowed to keep his picture on my desk.
Ohhh! I wish we could customize our quarters and choose which pictures to place here! With a limit of, say, three. And I want Mordin to discover his picture in my quarters.
We're meeting captain Kirrahe in ME3 again. I remember being surprised when Mordin said he didn't think much of that military bravado. ("Eh...No offense, Shepard." Awww.) Then I read Mordin's SB file on that mission with captain Kirrahe, and I gained a new appreciation of his view.
Kirrahe got two of his people killed because he refused to adapt to the situation, refused to listen to Mordin's input, and insisted on "holding the line." He probably did his best, and it's easy to judge after the battle, but I can't help wondering...Kirrahe's plan resulted in one of my people getting killed on Virmire. Could things have gone differently if I had Mordin with me?
Also, I love when Mordin starts ducking under the desk during a conversation. What is it, "discouraging curiosity"? Or just hiding his expression? That's adorable.
He personally participates in all those dispersal missions, refusing to leave after being injured. Then he turns up in a clinic on Omega, the cesspit of corruption, among the thugs who wouldn't hesitate to shoot him. In the middle of the plague that kills everyone but humans and the vorcha. And this path leads him to a suicidal mission with Shepard. Is he trying to get himself killed?
For saving the krogan! It's just the method itself that he couldn't cope with. He's the most noble person in the galaxy. And he's willing to do what's necessary at the same time. That's just ultimately badass. He's like the best of Paragon and Renegade combined. My Shepard wants to be like him, but knows he can't achieve this perfection.
Mordin's the only one whose judgement and insight I can trust. My Shepard's a better person because of him. And he's just adorable. I need him on my side in ME3!
I wish I could tell him that I have utmost respect for him, and that I'll always stand by him. I wish we could be allowed an option to tell the characters exactly what we think of them.
My Shepard desperately needs people like Mordin and Wrex as a reason why the salarians and the krogan are worth fighting for. He wouldn't mind a similar human example, too, for anthropomorphizing. Preferably someone from the Earth. (Random dead kids and treacherous mentors don't count.)
Well, there's TIM, of course, but I doubt I'll be allowed to keep his picture on my desk.
Ohhh! I wish we could customize our quarters and choose which pictures to place here! With a limit of, say, three. And I want Mordin to discover his picture in my quarters.
Modifié par laecraft, 16 septembre 2011 - 01:17 .
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Posté 19 septembre 2011 - 11:57
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Could it be? No, maybe. Have to ask, is that an A.I.?
Love that line. Such delicious inflection and tone.
laecraft wrote...
Ohhh! I wish we could customize our quarters and choose which pictures to place here! With a limit of, say, three. And I want Mordin to discover his picture in my quarters.
I want to take Mordin to dinner. Beat that. Naah, just foolin'. I actually would romance him, but he nips that in the bud. How do you think he'd react to finding his photo in your quarters?
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Posté 19 septembre 2011 - 09:08
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He'd probably go on a rant about the psychological state of someone with a salarian photo in their quarters -- it'd be a new, exciting thing to him imagining a human thinking of him so, but he'd spend more time telling you where to find help.
It's a shame, it really is.
It's a shame, it really is.
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Posté 22 septembre 2011 - 07:17
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Lovely work, ZylAeryel, and a much-needed bump for the thread!
And someone needs to remind me how to properly post an image so people don't need to click this! >_>;
Lovely work, ZylAeryel, and a much-needed bump for the thread!
And someone needs to remind me how to properly post an image so people don't need to click this! >_>;
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 05:15
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Gotta keep the doc's popularity levels from falling within dangerously low territory. You know how he hates bad test results.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 05:52
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Modifié par leonia42, 25 septembre 2011 - 06:08 .
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 05:53
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JeffZero wrote...
I make no secret my lifelong passion for (most things) Star Trek -- I love the vibrancy of that universe, the myriad cultures and political and societal belief systems. And some of them are pretty fleshed-out too.
Mordin's the guy who'd fit in as the ever-present philosopher of Trek. That Protheans/Collectors conversation mirrors some dialogue from the franchise to a tee and I absolutely love it.
If Mordin ever met Spock, just imagine how much time they would spend together changing the universe due to their sheer level of intellectual awesomeness. Perhaps almost as much time as Garrus spends calibrating.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 08:56
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Yes! That's the pic! D'oh, I totally forget how to post images properly. [img] didn't seem to work for me for some reason.
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So true. Mordin + Spock for ME3. I'll gladly take Quinto if Nimoy's unavailable. Make it happen Bioware!
Yes! That's the pic! D'oh, I totally forget how to post images properly. [img] didn't seem to work for me for some reason.
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So true. Mordin + Spock for ME3. I'll gladly take Quinto if Nimoy's unavailable. Make it happen Bioware!
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Posté 01 octobre 2011 - 08:29
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Something that never stops striking a chord with me came up again today during my current playthrough. We often talk about how great Mordin is, how great his writing and his voice acting are, but you know what blends those things together the most superbly as far as I'm concerned? The first conversation in which he opens up about his role in the genophage's reinstatement.
There is a very deliberate, very emotionally resonant pang of distant regret in the way the professor speaks of his actions, although should you go all uber-Paragon on him he'll defend what he did fiercely. Even still, the weight is not at all lost on him and that helps make him all the more reactionary in his responses. It's an incredibly real thing that I simply eat up (in a bittersweet sense) every time.
There is a very deliberate, very emotionally resonant pang of distant regret in the way the professor speaks of his actions, although should you go all uber-Paragon on him he'll defend what he did fiercely. Even still, the weight is not at all lost on him and that helps make him all the more reactionary in his responses. It's an incredibly real thing that I simply eat up (in a bittersweet sense) every time.
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Posté 01 octobre 2011 - 11:23
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Gah, 10 pages? Come on, Mordin needs more then that!
Anyway, he better be back as a full time squaddie. Normandy needs his analytical ways/singing.
Anyway, he better be back as a full time squaddie. Normandy needs his analytical ways/singing.
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Posté 08 octobre 2011 - 04:26
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Im going to die of laughter If he gives Shepard sex ed again.
