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[JeffZero]

annihilator27 wrote...

Im going to die of laughter If he gives Shepard sex ed again.

"Ah. Shepard. Good of you to come. Reaper physiology absolutely fascinating. Reaper procreation all the more so. Been analyzing... various... species... reproductive traits. Have noticed a 217% spike in crew tension since battles began. Suggested Yeoman Chambers put on show for the team. Was... a completely harmless offering of advice. Not an undergrad insult or statement of promiscuity in a negative fashion. Regardless, she was... not amused. So. How are things with Commander Alenko? Not good with petty small talk but can discuss various sexual positions and their side effects... intended or otherwise."

*stares blankly*

[JeffZero]

Mordin's discussion with Shepard while hovering over the corpse of the krogan female in the Weyrloc-run hospital on Tuchanka is a "top five" moment franchise-wide for me. It can go in a few different directions, it gets inside Mordin's head like nowhere else, it teaches us precisely what went on with him not just mentally but emotionally, spiritually, after the genophage modification project... it's something else.

[Dean_the_Young]

Mordin's entire mission is some of the best character development in the entire series. It's genuinely complex, not forced into ludicrous extremes, and avoids the blatant 'you should be feeling this' lighting and sound effects that plague so many. Mordin comes up as a Moral-Renegade of the best sort, and it's a shame his rationalizations and justifications can't be used elsewhere.

[CoffeeHolic93]

Taken from the "Your favorite squadmates - from best to worst thread"

Mi-Chan wrote...

...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie] Topics like these make me cringe.  If I list squadmates I'll most likely just play favorites rather than stay objective and focus on the writing, so based on that I'll be as objective as possible and name three examples compared to how relevant they are to their missions.

Example of brilliance
1: Mordin. Pure and utter brilliance when it comes to writing. Both his missions revolve around his genius and how if affects others (in a positive (Omega - Clinic) and in a negative (Tuchanka - Genophage) light. He goes through soul searching and immense character development in no time at all if you confront him about what he did.

Middle of the road

2: Garrus. I love Garrus, he's my bromance. But his writing and importance leaves a lot to be desired (he came back because he's a fan favorite, so what can you do? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]). His mission is an introduction to the three merc bands, and his loyalty mission is basically the same as his personal mission from the first game - Revenge. As much as I like him, he's not really involved in the story as much as I'd like, yet his mission served it's purpose as an introduction, and his loyalty mission is packed with character development. (STAY paragon this time around Garrus).

3: Tali. Poor Tali. I like her, I really do but she's not important at all. It feels like she's the medium between Shepard and the matter at hand more than anything else. Her recruitment mission is about dark energy build up and rapidly dying stars and not something directly related to her (other than "go there, fetch stuff"). At least Garrus disrupted the merc bands to get them after him. Her loyalty mission is about the war between the quarians and the geth more than anything else - and her involvement is based on ANOTHER order she received from her father. Again, not a personal motivation - but a motivation shared by all quarians. They want to go home. I'd prefer it if squadmates get any missions, let the mission be about THEM rather than letting them become an unfortunate medium to the matter at hand.

Again, I like Tali (I like all the squadmates. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]), but she's worse off than most squaddies when it comes to relevance. 

This will have to do, an example on who I find to be best OBJECTIVELY. This is not a personal list based on the squadmates I like the most, but on how I feel they factor into the story (or their part of the story)

Mi-Chan out. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

[Alexy]

classy Mordin

[JeffZero]

LOL, Alexy. I love it. Saved so hard. Totally using it as a desktop theme.

laecraft wrote...

Mordin is a perfect example of how a Renegade managed to keep his heart alive, and just how much it hurts. Most of the Renegades would have sacrificed their hearts by that point, to stop the pain and become completely desensitized. He kept it, because he didn't want to forget what he's fighting for.

My appreciation for him reached the topmost level when he said that he took part in all those missions personally. It's easy to make decisions that affect trillions of lives when you don't see those deaths personally, when you're not the one who puts your plans into action, when those deaths are merely a statistic, when you don't want to know, sitting safely in your room. But Mordin did all that dirty job himself. Both to face the outcome of his actions, and to make sure it's done right.

I have utmost respect for Mordin. He's one of the main reasons why this galaxy is worth fighting for. If he's not by my side in ME3, how would I know if I'm steering too far off-course? It's important to have someone else's opinion. How would I know if I'm making sacrifices too easily to reach my goal? Who will tell me if I go too far? I trust no one else's judgement.

If I have Mordin's approval, I will know that I'm still staying on this side of humanity. Losing it, on the other hand, would mark a complete descend into the abyss. Not that I'm actually looking forward to that, but it might make a pefect dramatic landmark.

You know, that taps directly into something I realized on my most recent playthrough. I'm almost always a Paragon through and through, although in ME2 it does end up with more of a 100/30 spread so it inches toward Paragade.

Mordin... Mordin is the perfect "renegade conscience". Taking him along with you, he can remind you of the big picture. For folks like me who strive to do the right thing at most any cost, he can really put me in my place. And that's a wonderful thing, really. Incredibly useful to remind the hero type to stand down sometimes.

[JeffZero]

laecraft wrote...

I haven't thought about it, because my Shepard never needs to be reminded of the bigger picture, and he needs a fellow Renegade who'd help him to stay humane (My Shepard doesn't trust idealistic people.) But apparently, Mordin is perfect both for Renegades and Paragons, for balancing. Which means that Mordin is just completely awesome.

Mine is somewhat idealistic, admittedly -- modeled after me and I know it's a fault of mine. It can be very useful but realistically speaking it can also be terribly detrimental. Some of Mordin's dialogue during missions really does emphasize that big picture. Pretty awesome how both of us, with very different Shepards, can find him so damn helpful.

I'm hoping that we can have a lot of conversations with him throughout the entire ME3. I want to discuss with him everything that's happening. Since we're not seeing the characters we know and love again after the series ends, I hope Mordin gets a lot of screen time, so we can enjoy his company while it lasts.

Oh yeah, me too. Not really holding my breath on continually having the option to stay in contact with him throughout the game (although something tells me LIs that don't return full-time may get something like that though) but at least being able to return to Sur'kesh (or wherever, and provided he stays alive) fairly frequently and finding his dialogue updates periodically would be excellent.

[JeffZero]

I so agree with you, laecraft. I would definitely pick Mordin as well.

And no matter what happens to him, I want him to forgive himself for the genophage. It's actually the number one thing I ask of BioWare concerning the good professor. I have a hunch that what we know of his arc in ME3 thus far may very well tie into that potential forgiveness so I'm quite excited.

[Mr. Brainheart]

JeffZero wrote...

I so agree with you, laecraft. I would definitely pick Mordin as well.

And no matter what happens to him, I want him to forgive himself for the genophage. It's actually the number one thing I ask of BioWare concerning the good professor. I have a hunch that what we know of his arc in ME3 thus far may very well tie into that potential forgiveness so I'm quite excited.

It would be interesting if Shepards choices, like saving the cure, how to deal with Maelon, etc. would effect if he forgive's himself and/or finds peace with it, or not.

[JeffZero]

Actually, I tend to disagree regarding Garrus' presence in ME2. I find his endless calibrations no more annoying (and perhaps less so, even) than the conversation loop in ME1 where after you've tackled Saleon, Garrus decides that he wants to thank you for the rest of the game. As in, the same conversation, over and and over again. I feel like Garrus has gotten a pretty short straw in both games in that regard, yet at least in ME2 his loyalty mission gives the poor guy more to chew on later on.

I definitely like Garrus more in ME2, ultimately, but he just doesn't have enough 'stage presence' in either game.

As for the rest of your post, however, I agree 100%. I've always been cautiously realistic with the Mass Effect series' extent of 'true choice' despite the buzz terms the marketing team likes to insist on. That way I can focus on what I perceive as a good story with great characters in both games and hopefully, of course, with 3, and do so without getting worked-up over how various choices don't really change as much as I might like.

But deep down inside? Hell yes, I'd squee with cheeky glee if your examples proved true.

[Alexy]

JeffZero wrote...

LOL, Alexy. I love it. Saved so hard. Totally using it as a desktop theme.

:happy:!

laecraft wrote...

Samara's "romance" is being acknowledged...I wonder if Mordin's
attempted "romance" would be acknowledged too. Probably not, as it was
obviously not meant as anything else but pure comic relief and just a
bit of misunderstanding. Still. I'm hoping for some intimacy between the
characters, it can't be all conversations about saving the galaxy...

Imagine Mordin going

homicide-crabs.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-Valentine-Mordin-153228141

Modifié par Alexy, 16 octobre 2011 - 07:13 .

[JeffZero]

Another great one, Alexy. XD

Yeah, you know, I never really get irked by all the family-related problems in ME2 but I can't deny that Mordin's issues are a tremendous breath of fresh air. And they remind me of all the good sci-fi I ate up as a kid (and still do) like the real moral/ethical dilemma episodes from the Star Trek franchise. There's a very relatable, yet more high-brow kind of character conflict in Mordin Solus, the conflicted doctor who knows how vital his work has been but can't ignore that work's ramifications. It's a very, very powerful message.

And yes, I inwardly cringe while approaching Jacob too, especially because in my headcanon ME2 takes place over several months. (Actually, hell, the devs confirmed that from their [pretty important] POV ME2 takes a few months, so yeah.) When Jacob says "Already?", well, by the time the Reaper IFF stuff is happening, it's like, 'what do you mean, already?'

I don't quite get why Mordin doesn't get that level of attention from big portions of the devoted fandom either, laecraft, but as I always like to point out, he is at least highly well-received among critics. Dig up a few ME2 reviews and there's a pretty good chance many of them will mention 'our personal favorite new squadmate, the amazingly funny and yet strikingly deep Mordin Solus' somewhere. It's a good sign that he'll have some decent material in the very-busy Mass Effect 3, I think.

[Zakatak757]

laecraft wrote...

@Alexy: Yeah, we're just indulging our scientific curiosity here! Is it really impossible for a salarian to be attracted to a human?

"If wanted to try human, would try you."

[Mr. Brainheart]

I do wonder why some characters, including Mordin, don´t have a big following here.

You´ve raised some good points and suggestions, Laecraft.

@Alexy; I bet that if that pic'd be in the game his following would quite suddenly increase..

[Seboist]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

I do wonder why some characters, including Mordin, don´t have a big following here.

You´ve raised some good points and suggestions, Laecraft.

@Alexy; I bet that if that pic'd be in the game his following would quite suddenly increase..

It's certainly is a curiosity why some notable characters like Mordin and especially Wrex have such minimal acitvity in their threads. Damn shame too, Mordin is one of the best characters in the franchise with excellent characterization and development.

[Alexy]

laecraft wrote...

@Alexy: Yeah, we're just indulging our scientific curiosity here! Is it really impossible for a salarian to be attracted to a human? How would we know that for certain without putting that statement to the test? Let's run some experiments and see!

LOLOL
For best result I suggest a high alcohol intake


fuckyeah-masseffect.tumblr.com/post/4835960871/tench-thejollity-asked-ould-you-draw-mordin

Modifié par Alexy, 16 octobre 2011 - 08:11 .

[Alexy]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

I do wonder why some characters, including Mordin, don´t have a big following here.

You´ve raised some good points and suggestions, Laecraft.

@Alexy; I bet that if that pic'd be in the game his following would quite suddenly increase..

I'd sure give him a shot, who could resist that singing voice

Modifié par Alexy, 16 octobre 2011 - 08:20 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

Alexy wrote...

For best result I suggest a high alcohol intake


fuckyeah-masseffect.tumblr.com/post/4835960871/tench-thejollity-asked-ould-you-draw-mordin

Chakwas, Drunk voice: ''THAT WAS AWESOME!''