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[Fleetleader101]

SamT3N7 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...
... and doing the right thing should always be harder than doing the easy thing.

I completely agree with this.

Yeah thats sort of why I feel torn up about keeping the base.

[Lunatic LK47]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I destroyed the base. When Shepard says: "It feels wrong." I took it to suggest that:

1) The Collector base is completely alien AND has been in the hands of completely enslaved Protheans (who aren't even really protheans at all anymore - that's clearly stated.)

2) This base can't go to Cerberus... a group I despise and don't trust. I save the Galaxy just to see my race wage war on all other races in the galaxy? Cerberus will make it happen if it can.

3) Who knows if we can even run the thing? We could be wasting resources and time studying it that could be spent putting together more reliable weaponry. After all... we have Thanix cannons which destroyed the collector base... let's spend the resources outfitting all warships in the galaxy with these weapons.

There's also #4: Cerberus has a VERY HIGH FAIL RATE. This is an organization known for TAKE AS MANY SHORTCUTS AS POSSIBLE FOR GOOD RESULTS. Even reviving Shepard was a near disaster no thanks to Wilson's sabotage.

[Spectreshadow]

 I instantly regretted keeping the base when I saw TIM smile at the end of the final exchange.

[Sebby]

Spectreshadow wrote...

 I instantly regretted keeping the base when I saw TIM smile at the end of the final exchange.

What's wrong with his smile? That's the smile of a HERO who has the smug satisfaction of gaining an edge against the Reapers and all future enemies of humanity.

Modifié par Seboist, 14 juin 2011 - 04:22 .

[Labrev]

Skirata129 wrote...

I keep it. Weaponry we picked up from the collectors was excellent and the base would be full of stuff like that. and Personally I'd rather deal with a war between a cerberus led humanity and alien races later than deal with a galaxy wiped out by reapers because I destroyed our best chance at fighting them.

One glaring problem with this thinking:

Once you've given Cerberus the framework of the Reapers' weapons and technology, and they are able to turn around and use it to defeat the Reapers, you have effectively made them as powerful as the Reapers (if not more). Once they have achieved that power, what's to stop them from becoming as bad as the Reapers (or worse)?

I draw some parallels here to the rachni/krogan thing. The rachni were overtaking the galaxy in a violent, bloody war. So the council uplifts a more deadly species that can inhabit their environments to take them out. Soon, the krogan start growing too fast and the council can't control their numbers. Conflict arises, and the resulting war is as bloody as the previous one. In short, they didn't solve their problem, just made a new one. I feel this is a similar scenario, on a bigger level.

[Dave of Canada]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Once they have achieved that power, what's to stop them from becoming as bad as the Reapers (or worse)?

Numbers, resources, being hunted by the galaxy, how they are mostly scientists instead of soldiers, how they own people hunt them down, how they aren't trying to exterminate the galaxy, how they don't have full control of the tech (yet, at least).

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 14 juin 2011 - 05:37 .

[937H_1NF1L7r470r]

I saved the base but after I read what he does with it in Mass Effect: Retribution, I regret my choice

Modifié par 937H_1NF1L7r470r, 14 juin 2011 - 05:48 .

[Kadzin]

Seeing that Cerberus is now working for the Reapers, I am glad that I blew up the base and flipped TIM off.

[Platform626]

I blew it up. Never trusted Cerberus, and I never will. Why give them the tech now when all they'll do is use it against me later? Besides, I LOVE pissing TIM off. My Shepard's smug grin when she disconnected TIM at the end was priceless!

[Sebby]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Once they have achieved that power, what's to stop them from becoming as bad as the Reapers (or worse)?

Numbers, resources, being hunted by the galaxy, how they are mostly scientists instead of soldiers, how they own people hunt them down, how they aren't trying to exterminate the galaxy, how they don't have full control of the tech (yet, at least).

And that's assuming they even survive the Reaper war.

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

In each of my play thru's i alternate between keeping it and blowing it up, that way i have a lot more variety while playing multiple play thru's with different imports.

[Anihilus]

I kept it in a renegade playthrough, read retribution and regretted giving TIM the base in the first place, although I will say I am curious to see how that plays out so I'm keeping the save.

[Dave of Canada]

Shepard arrives to the end decision, he has to decide between getting rid of the base or keeping it.

What my Shepard knows:
Reapers are coming.
Nobody is his ally except for Cerberus.
Reaper Tech is dangerous but has helped us stop the Reapers twice before and going in with no understanding of it's dangers is more dangerous than experimenting with it.
The Base stores Collector Technology, which is extremely powerful.
The Base is a Reaper factory.

All things considered, I imagined:
What if the Reapers are too much for the galaxy? What if the Base was required?

If you kept the Base: The universe is saved, Cerberus can do whatever the hell they want but they'll never match the destruction that the Reapers can achieve with their limited resources and numbers.

If you destroyed the Base: Everybody is dead.


Therefor, I sat there and thought to myself "It's better to have the Base and not need it than needing it but not having it". The Base is given to Cerberus every time, regardless of morality. Paragon, Renegade? Base is kept!

Reading the novel motivated me that I made the right decision (Cerberus was researching Reaper tech and indocrination with the Base, something I wanted them to do), though the magazines turned around and slapped me in the face immediately afterward. Still not going to metagame though, I don't see the logic in blowing it up.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 14 juin 2011 - 06:06 .

[TexasToast712]

My Canon Shep (Badass wth a heart of Gold) blew it up. Just had a gut feeling it would be best to destroy it. judging by Cerberus in ME3 it seems he was right.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 14 juin 2011 - 06:12 .

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

Im hoping that it comes back to bite me in the ass, i mean, Bioware already said that decisions you think where right are going to surprise you as the outcomes are going to be negative, that makes me happy.

[nitrog100]

Collector technology seemed like a dead end anyway. At least now we know that saving the Collector base just gives Cerberus more advanced technology. How exactly are they planning to get there anyway? Even assuming that the Reapers aren't bothering with defending the relay anymore, how are ships going to get through the debris field? Joker could hardly do it with extremely reinforced shields and armor. How is a normal ship with an average pilot going to do that?

[Pedestrial]

E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox wrote...

In each of my play thru's i alternate between keeping it and blowing it up,
that way i have a lot more variety while playing multiple play thru's with different imports.

Yes this is the same for me, I'm not expecting ME3 to be a completely different game based on
my choices, but even varying dialogue wil be enough to keep it fresh after multiple playthroughs.

I ended up pre-ordering the CE and it's the most I've spent on a game, I'm going to get my moneys worth.

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

And in ME3 Cerberus does not have the Normandy anymore.... you got a point nitrog100

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

Pedestrial wrote...

E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox wrote...

In each of my play thru's i alternate between keeping it and blowing it up,
that way i have a lot more variety while playing multiple play thru's with different imports.

Yes this is the same for me, I'm not expecting ME3 to be a completely different game based on
my choices, but even varying dialogue wil be enough to keep it fresh after multiple playthroughs.

I ended up pre-ordering the CE and it's the most I've spent on a game, I'm going to get my moneys worth.

as you can see, i own the CE of ME2, its well worth it my fellow ME fan.

[Dave of Canada]

nitrog100 wrote...

How is a normal ship with an average pilot going to do that?

By replicating the IFF and using different ships, which they've already done.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 14 juin 2011 - 06:20 .

[Labrev]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Once they have achieved that power, what's to stop them from becoming as bad as the Reapers (or worse)?

Numbers, resources, being hunted by the galaxy, how they are mostly scientists instead of soldiers, how they own people hunt them down, how they aren't trying to exterminate the galaxy, how they don't have full control of the tech (yet, at least).

An underestimation, of both Cerberus (we don't truly know what they are and what they're capable of) and the potential of the CB.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I don't metagame, so I preserve the base.

Even with metagame, I would probably preserve the base as I do not exclude the possibility of it being useful to humanity in the post-war context, especially seeing how humanity will be screwed and billions will die. Anything that would help restore or shift the balance of power to humanity's advantage is not something I'd destroy off the bat.

[elfdwarf]

blew up still have reaper tech (indoctrinated cerberus ) or keep it still have reaper (on both side cerberus)
i still don't which choice is good for war
let's find out in strategy guide, when it come out

[Dave of Canada]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

An underestimation, of both Cerberus (we don't truly know what they are and what they're capable of) and the potential of the CB.

Quite the contrary.
Cerberus isn't a large group. Regardless of what they are capable of, they'll never be able to wipe out the galaxy. 
The Collector Base is Reaper tech, something that will litter the galaxy if we win.

[mauro2222]

If you kept the base, you are pissing on the faces of the abducted people, you're nothing different than Cerberus and their easy path of the Greater-Good excuse. Regarding on keeping it or destroy it, it´s only a moral choice. You choose if you want to be a selfish moron who would do everything for saving his arse or remain faithfull to who you really are, fighting against the evil not compromising the ideals for which you're fighting.

Destroying evil it's not the same as creating good.

Sorry for my bad English