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[Medhia Nox]

Yes, but what if they're REALLY sorry.

You know - you shouldn't hold on to all that hate Jayman1337. It's gonna eat you up inside.

Forgive and forget - that's what I say.

[Massadonious1]

Only if they gave everyone a puppy.

[J. Finley]

D'aaawww, alright! <3

[Medhia Nox]

Well - I think you get a Mechdog in ME 3... does that count?

[Rake21]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Well - I think you get a Mechdog in ME 3... does that count?

Yes, yes it does.

[Cowboy_christo]

 Personally i can envision a point where the reaper notice they will loose and peace out. They think they are gods but im pretty sure anything/anyone fear the end of their own existence. Unless their culling of the galaxy is dependant to their survival and they just go all out berserk and die till the last one.

[Foolsfolly]

Para-Medic wrote...

Not destroying an army of machines that want everyone and everything dead? Wow

I know right? The Reapers, the same group who look down on everything that isn't one of their own as being inferior. A race that only destroys and harvests organics. A race of monsterous machines that warp reality simply by existing next to it.

They're the perfect evil enemy. Not mindless like orcs or Darkspawn. But completely unable to co-exist with other lifeforms (indoctrination eventually leads to death or a state worse than death).

The races of the galaxy vs the Reapers, one group will live.

[Agamo45]

They deserve to die, whatever their motives are. Even if they gave up and surrendered I wouldn't let them live.

[Foolsfolly]

Cowboy_christo wrote...

 Personally i can envision a point where the reaper notice they will loose and peace out. They think they are gods but im pretty sure anything/anyone fear the end of their own existence. Unless their culling of the galaxy is dependant to their survival and they just go all out berserk and die till the last one.

If they can only reproduce by culling organics (which they kind of sow as well since they leave breadcrumbs to build up organics and guide their technological evolution to the point they desire) then eventually they will have to cull the galaxy again.

And if organics battle them into a standstill now....in a thousand, hundred, even dozen years later wouldn't the organics still be better off than the Reapers?

After all organics have vorcha, salarians, and rachni (possibly cured krogan) that all have an extremely high breeding rate. The only race that would be really messed up would be the asari, who are too longed lived. They spend hundreds of years doing nothing before their society sees them as responsible adults. A devestated asari population would take thousands of years to fully recover.

Salarians would take, what, a decade...two decades?

If the Reapers find themselves in a position where they honestly could loose this thing....I expect them to strike even harder. Because at this point they no longer have control over the technological evolution of the galaxy and eventually war will happen again...and the Reapers will be at the disadvantage.

This is their third attempt at this genocide (fourth if the rachni were another attempt). And it looks like they're throwing all their brute strength into this.

[Kileyan]

Cowboy_christo wrote...

 Personally i can envision a point where the reaper notice they will loose and peace out. They think they are gods but im pretty sure anything/anyone fear the end of their own existence.

Well yeh, any enemy will give up when they see they can't win.

The big question is how will we even get to that point? We faced a single Reaper in ME1, and it took the best of the best ships we had. It wasn't even a new Reaper, it was a reaper left behind for 1000's of years. I assume they improve each cycle or at the very least are the same each cycle. That means that every Reaper coming, all 100's(low estimate) of them are able to take on the best fleet we have singularly.

We don't even know if they specialize. THey might also have 1000's of cruiser sized ships that are able to take out our biggest ships. God forbid they have fighter small class ships of similar power, with firepower to take out our cruisers or dreadnaughts.

It will be interesting to see how this ends, without it being a cheesy ending of they chose to leave, or we won due to some gimmick.

[Malanek]

Para-Medic wrote...

Not destroying an army of machines that want everyone and everything dead? Wow

The question is why they want everything dead and until you can answer that I don't believe you can argue that destruction is the only solution. No one said it should be the same for every ending, for all you blood-thirsty, genocidal, war-mongers, I'm sure Shepard will be able to completely and irrevocably destroy all the Reapers (wiping out hundreds of millions of years of the universes history in the process) if you so choose. I am quite shocked the suggestion has been met with such venom.

Modifié par Malanek999, 14 juin 2011 - 04:52 .

[Rake21]

Kileyan wrote...

Cowboy_christo wrote...

 Personally i can envision a point where the reaper notice they will loose and peace out. They think they are gods but im pretty sure anything/anyone fear the end of their own existence.

Well yeh, any enemy will give up when they see they can't win.

The big question is how will we even get to that point? We faced a single Reaper in ME1, and it took the best of the best ships we had. It wasn't even a new Reaper, it was a reaper left behind for 1000's of years. I assume they improve each cycle or at the very least are the same each cycle. That means that every Reaper coming, all 100's(low estimate) of them are able to take on the best fleet we have singularly.

We don't even know if they specialize. THey might also have 1000's of cruiser sized ships that are able to take out our biggest ships. God forbid they have fighter small class ships of similar power, with firepower to take out our cruisers or dreadnaughts.

It will be interesting to see how this ends, without it being a cheesy ending of they chose to leave, or we won due to some gimmick.

Not all Reapers will be on par with Sovreign.  He was a member of the **** You class of ships... or dreadnaught if you'd rather.  If you look at the trailer and the demo, some of the Reapers are much smaller in size.  Closer to a cruiser.

[Labrev]

I probably shouldn't answer this thread seriously but,

nope. They're too dangerous not to be completely wiped-out.

[TheBlackBaron]

Frankly, if this wound up being the Paragon route to victory, it wouldn't surprise me. It's already so filled with rainbows and unicorns and stunning naivety it wouldn't be too great of a stretch.

[Foolsfolly]

Rake21 wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

Cowboy_christo wrote...

 Personally i can envision a point where the reaper notice they will loose and peace out. They think they are gods but im pretty sure anything/anyone fear the end of their own existence.

Well yeh, any enemy will give up when they see they can't win.

The big question is how will we even get to that point? We faced a single Reaper in ME1, and it took the best of the best ships we had. It wasn't even a new Reaper, it was a reaper left behind for 1000's of years. I assume they improve each cycle or at the very least are the same each cycle. That means that every Reaper coming, all 100's(low estimate) of them are able to take on the best fleet we have singularly.

We don't even know if they specialize. THey might also have 1000's of cruiser sized ships that are able to take out our biggest ships. God forbid they have fighter small class ships of similar power, with firepower to take out our cruisers or dreadnaughts.

It will be interesting to see how this ends, without it being a cheesy ending of they chose to leave, or we won due to some gimmick.

Not all Reapers will be on par with Sovreign.  He was a member of the **** You class of ships... or dreadnaught if you'd rather.  If you look at the trailer and the demo, some of the Reapers are much smaller in size.  Closer to a cruiser.

Size matters not.

Especially if they all are outfitted with a kinetic barrier strong enough to sustain massive firepower and then ram a crusier at high speeds without faltering.

A Reaper encased in that kind of kinetic barrier can be the size of Texas or the size of a car. It's still hard as hell to kill.

[Foolsfolly]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Frankly, if this wound up being the Paragon route to victory, it wouldn't surprise me. It's already so filled with rainbows and unicorns and stunning naivety it wouldn't be too great of a stretch.

I think something similar will happen with the Paragon choice with the Illusive Man. Renegade choice will likely kill him in an epic way for betraying Shepard and threatening all life in the galaxy by doing whatever he's doing fighting Shepard over.

I don't see negotiating with the Reapers. They don't think we're worth the time. Perhaps the last Reaper's last word will be "sorry" but it's hard to hear that over the epic score of epic victory, surely playing as it begs for its life.

[TheBlackBaron]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Size matters not.

Especially if they all are outfitted with a kinetic barrier strong enough to sustain massive firepower and then ram a crusier at high speeds without faltering.

A Reaper encased in that kind of kinetic barrier can be the size of Texas or the size of a car. It's still hard as hell to kill.

They don't even need to be able to ram the cruisers - the one in the demo seemed rather mid-sized by Reaper standards and was able to blow away a cruiser in a handful of shots from its Thanix cannon. 

In fact, when you've got that kind of firepower, really massive reapers the size of Sovereign are kind of superfluous unless you take advantage of their size to mount lots of Thanix cannons all over the hull. 

[Rake21]

Foolsfolly wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Frankly, if this wound up being the Paragon route to victory, it wouldn't surprise me. It's already so filled with rainbows and unicorns and stunning naivety it wouldn't be too great of a stretch.

I think something similar will happen with the Paragon choice with the Illusive Man. Renegade choice will likely kill him in an epic way for betraying Shepard and threatening all life in the galaxy by doing whatever he's doing fighting Shepard over.

I don't see negotiating with the Reapers. They don't think we're worth the time. Perhaps the last Reaper's last word will be "sorry" but it's hard to hear that over the epic score of epic victory, surely playing as it begs for its life.

I would like to point out that Paragons could still talk Saren into putting one in his skull.

[nitrog100]

If they were somehow convinced by just getting a fleet together I'd be happy. Why should all those people die needlessly if the Reapers are just willing to leave?

[Bogsnot1]

Rake21 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Well - I think you get a Mechdog in ME 3... does that count?

Yes, yes it does.

If that thing leaves a pile of nuts and bolts in the middle of the hall, and I step in it, its going out the airlock.

[Malanek]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Well - I think you get a Mechdog in ME 3... does that count?

Yes, yes it does.

If that thing leaves a pile of nuts and bolts in the middle of the hall, and I step in it, its going out the airlock.

I actually think that would be hilarious.

[KotorEffect3]

MysticMage44 wrote...

So what if we don't destroy the reapers. what if by uniting all of the races of the galaxy for one single worthy cause shows the reapers that they were wrong about organic senintent life. What if by bringing peace and stability to the galxy thorugh this unification the reapers realize the error of there ways and change their minds. And of course Shepard delivers a huge epic speech about the good thats capable in all forms fo life. Yeah. What if?

lol no,  I have not put all this time into my different Shepards putting them through ME 1 and ME 2 including DLCs to end the series with some negotiated coming to understanding with the reapers.  Not only would that diminish the first two games but it would diminish the reapers themselves.

[TheBlackBaron]

Foolsfolly wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Frankly, if this wound up being the Paragon route to victory, it wouldn't surprise me. It's already so filled with rainbows and unicorns and stunning naivety it wouldn't be too great of a stretch.

I think something similar will happen with the Paragon choice with the Illusive Man. Renegade choice will likely kill him in an epic way for betraying Shepard and threatening all life in the galaxy by doing whatever he's doing fighting Shepard over.

I don't see negotiating with the Reapers. They don't think we're worth the time. Perhaps the last Reaper's last word will be "sorry" but it's hard to hear that over the epic score of epic victory, surely playing as it begs for its life.

Do not doubt the power of Shepard's charisma, or the whining of Bioware's paladin children. 

*cough*

But yes, I could see things ending like that with TIM. Perhaps killing him as a Renegade opens the door to taking over Cerberus yourself, and directing it in your preferred fashion (ultra-Renegades might empower it as a human supremacist organization, while others might tone it down to human-survivalist or the sort of ideals Kelly and Miranda express, or even merge it [back?] into the Alliance). 

Rake21 wrote...

I would like to point out that Paragons could still talk Saren into putting one in his skull.

I still love the Renegade line for that, though. 

"There's still one way to end this...if you've got the guts."

[Rake21]

TheBlackBaron wrote...


I still love the Renegade line for that, though. 

"There's still one way to end this...if you've got the guts."

Granted, Renegades get a point there.