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[CROAT_56]

president cant pilot a stealth bomber he can however sit in a 747 and not to be a smart ass but Air Force One is just a designation if the president was flying a F-117 it would be Air Force One just an FYI but i am sure you knew that oh does the council have a similar designation i'm curious

[TheBlackBaron]

Mesina2 wrote...

Also why does President of USA goes with Air Force One



Instead of Stealth Bomber?

That's an F-117 Nighthawk, the "Stealth Fighter" (a misnomer, of course, since it can only do air-to-ground, but that's what they called it). You're thinking of the B-2 Spirit, which is the flying wing design. 



Sorry, Mesina, aviation buff here. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 14 juin 2011 - 07:16 .

[Walker White]

Alliance quibbles aside.

Flagships are about logistics, not destructive capability. Modern carriers are mobile cities that can bring a lot of resources quickly roman area. That is why the US sends carriers to disaster zones. They have desalination facilities, food, and medical treatment that can bring quickly. Security and military presence is only a minor consideration. And even then it is about people and coverage, not destructive power.

This is what you want in a flagship.

[CroGamer002]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Because the Air Force One was made for comfort of such dignitaries and a stealth bomber was not made with comfort of the pilot/"passengers" in mind.

Exactly.

Outside of Captain's Quarters and pilot seat, Normandy SR-2 is not very comfortable since it's made to be like military ship and after Alliance takes over SR-2, they'll make it look even more military like.


What political leader like Councilor would want that?

[CROAT_56]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Also why does President of USA goes with Air Force One



Instead of Stealth Bomber?

That's an F-117 Nighthawk, the "Stealth Fighter" (a misnomer, of course, since it can only do air-to-ground, but that's what they called it). You're thinking of the B-2 Spirit, which is the flying wing design. 



Sorry, Mesina, aviation buff here. 

lol me to but the F-117 is easy to mistake as a bomber so i understood what he was getting at in the post

sometimes sacrifices have to be made in a time of war the DA is a warship but the Normandy is a safer warship because of her size think about BSG the president flies around in a regular run of the mill space liner but its designated colonial 1. the Normandy may not be capable of delivering aid to places but she is capable of defending three dignataries from the reapers

Modifié par CROAT_56, 14 juin 2011 - 07:24 .

[CroGamer002]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Also why does President of USA goes with Air Force One
*snip*

Instead of Stealth Bomber?
*snip*

That's an F-117 Nighthawk, the "Stealth Fighter" (a misnomer, of course, since it can only do air-to-ground, but that's what they called it). You're thinking of the B-2 Spirit, which is the flying wing design. 

*snip*

Sorry, Mesina, aviation buff here. 

Well I just Google Stealth Bomber and I got that one first.<_<

Modifié par Mesina2, 14 juin 2011 - 07:21 .

[Nashiktal]

The normandy is wasted as a flagship mate. Leave that stuff to ships more suited to it, and let the normandy do its own thing as a specialist ship.

I mean one of the few ships in existence (as far as we know the only one) that is capable of stealth. What if you need to drop shep and team somewhere stealthily? You don't use the flagship for high risk specialized missions like that.

[Malanek]

Actually thinking about it a bit more it is not such a bad idea. Theoretically the main role of the flagship in a space battle would be tactical analysis and task designation. In the past you might have 50 Asari huddled together aboard the Destiny Ascension relying on VRs and other computers to control the battle. EDI would simply outperform the original setup.

[Nashiktal]

SwobyJ wrote...

oOmpie wrote...

1) I imagine the reaper IFF only works for unintelligent machinery like relays.
2) Amount of reaper tech is minute, otherwise everybody on board would have been indoctrinated.
3) Normandy carries like 1 Thanix cannon? A dreadnought like the DA could tote around a gazillion.
4) Stealth does not work against Collectors so sure as hell won't work against reapers.

An in my view the most important of all, a flagship will most often fulfil a role as a command and communications post. The Normandy simply is not equipped to perform that task.

So yeah, if the Council wants to hide in some dark corner the Normandy is a decent option, it they want to coordinate polititcs and defensive forces not so much...

It's not so much stealth but mobility. A dreadnaught will be a massive glaring target. Normandy can be spotted and speed away. Dreadnaughts will be sought by the Reapers all over the galaxy. Normandy will be one place one day, another the next day. With quantum entanglement, communications can still be kept.

I see it as a last secret bunker by leaders while everyone else gets cut apart.

You do know that quantom entanglement thing is useless now right? Unless you want said leaders to talk to TIM I guess.

That kind of communication only works between two points mate.

[CROAT_56]

SwobyJ wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Because the Air Force One was made for comfort of such dignitaries and a stealth bomber was not made with comfort of the pilot/"passengers" in mind.

Exactly.

Outside of Captain's Quarters and pilot seat, Normandy SR-2 is not very comfortable since it's made to be like military ship and after Alliance takes over SR-2, they'll make it look even more military like.


What political leader like Councilor would want that?

It's said that the Normandy is being taken all apart, rebuilt, and will have MORE areas than before. Doesn't exactly sound like the Alliance will be simplifying things this time...

exactly more areas for us to explore and Casey or Christina cant remember which said that the ship will be really empty at the start of ME3

[CroGamer002]

SwobyJ wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

CROAT_56 wrote...

"Size isn't everything" (Joker) but on topic yes Flagships in there literal sense are political symbols but we are fighting the Reapers not a terminus merc band politics doesn't matter. as for the Normandy being to small i don't think so, there is more than enough room for the councilors on board. I'm not saying flagship as in leader of the fleet think of it as air force one for the council

Exactly. Like an Air Force One..with weaponry. lol

Bring in Wrex, the Rachni Queen, Aria, Alliance brass, Geth emmisary, Quarian leaders, merc commanders, TIM (assuming not indoctrinated), and we have a party! Arguments and conflicts abound,

That's dumb.

Normandy is not secure location and you don't have meeting of world leaders on military ship unless it's not possible elsewhere.


Citadel is possible to be meeting place and safe.

Not if its not possible elsewhere since everywhere is either being attacked, or being prepared for an attack (evacuation of friggin turian homeworld).
Not if the Citadel is compromised, considering the LAST Reaper attack (even counting the Citadel arms, and the conduit likely being closed).

If Citadel is compromised( which isn't) then sent them somewhere else!

Putting them in Normandy that is going to front and behind enemy line is stupid!


Stealth of Normandy can't work for more then few hours otherwise it will melt.

[CROAT_56]

like i said the galexies toughest combat veterans reside on the ship so its safe on the inside EDI is controlling the comand suites so thats a check and Normandy can out manuver any council dreadnot so its the safest place to be in my opinion

[Nashiktal]

SwobyJ wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

oOmpie wrote...

1) I imagine the reaper IFF only works for unintelligent machinery like relays.
2) Amount of reaper tech is minute, otherwise everybody on board would have been indoctrinated.
3) Normandy carries like 1 Thanix cannon? A dreadnought like the DA could tote around a gazillion.
4) Stealth does not work against Collectors so sure as hell won't work against reapers.

An in my view the most important of all, a flagship will most often fulfil a role as a command and communications post. The Normandy simply is not equipped to perform that task.

So yeah, if the Council wants to hide in some dark corner the Normandy is a decent option, it they want to coordinate polititcs and defensive forces not so much...

It's not so much stealth but mobility. A dreadnaught will be a massive glaring target. Normandy can be spotted and speed away. Dreadnaughts will be sought by the Reapers all over the galaxy. Normandy will be one place one day, another the next day. With quantum entanglement, communications can still be kept.

I see it as a last secret bunker by leaders while everyone else gets cut apart.

You do know that quantom entanglement thing is useless now right? Unless you want said leaders to talk to TIM I guess.

That kind of communication only works between two points mate.

Of course. But if they can contact the Citadel and the Citadel becomes equipped for it, I don't see the problem.

Alright, doctors ordes. Go to the communication room and talk to EDI. She can explain it far better than I can.

[CroGamer002]

CROAT_56 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

It's said that the Normandy is being taken all apart, rebuilt, and will have MORE areas than before. Doesn't exactly sound like the Alliance will be simplifying things this time...

exactly more areas for us to explore and Casey or Christina cant remember which said that the ship will be really empty at the start of ME3

Why would Alliance put luxury rooms on military ship that is made to go on front and behind enemy lines?!

[Nashiktal]

CROAT_56 wrote...

like i said the galexies toughest combat veterans reside on the ship so its safe on the inside EDI is controlling the comand suites so thats a check and Normandy can out manuver any council dreadnot so its the safest place to be in my opinion

Reapers can outmanuever the Normandy, collectors using reaper tech were able to see through stealth, and a ship full of veterans is absolutely useless in any sort of space battle.

Yeah, lets let the normandy do its thing and let whatever politcal leaders find somewhere else to do their thing.

[CROAT_56]

they won't they weren't planning on a reaper invasion as far as we know no one was but when push comes to shove the safest place to be in the entire galexy in my opinion is with comander shepard and the crew of the Normandy. Yes she will be behind enemy lines but while there she will be concealed as for when we are in (making up a name) Galactic Defense controlled space the stealth sysems can be off and evan if we do have to turn the Stealth system off Joker is the best pilot in the galexy and i am sure he can out manuver anything that gets close enough to shoot at us

Edit: @ Nash you are comparing the SR1s SS with the SR2s SS which was not detected by the collector vessel the only time the SR2 was caught off gaurd was when the IFF was installed the first time. 

Modifié par CROAT_56, 14 juin 2011 - 07:47 .

[CroGamer002]

CROAT_56 wrote...

like i said the galexies toughest combat veterans reside on the ship so its safe on the inside EDI is controlling the comand suites so thats a check and Normandy can out manuver any council dreadnot so its the safest place to be in my opinion

Play Mass Effect 2 again.

Soldiers aren't useful in ship to ship battles.


If Reapers or Cerberus see Normandy, they'll try to blow it up.
Why would they board it?

It would be far greater victory for them to kill world leaders and Shepard on Normandy then take high risk to kill everyone there and take Shepard to be husk avatar.

[CroGamer002]

SwobyJ wrote...

Why would they need LUXURY rooms when they can just do a very sci-fi humor scene (ala Star Trek sometimes) where the dignitaries complain a ton about their accomidations?

/facepalm