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[ImoenBaby]

lobi wrote...

It is not a Roleplay choice if all NPC sex are available to all PC types evil and good it is a cookie cutter option like in store armour, so go to tevinter and take your indignation with you.

Sure it is - just not a choice you'd like.

Look. What if almost every element of pop culture excluded you personally? Not for an actual good reason, but becuase you're outnumbered 100-1? Note that I'm not asking that every single aspect of our culture should go out of its way to include you, just that it sometimes recognize that a) you exist and you have money to spend, and would like to enjoy at least some of the things almost everyone else can.

[Reinhardt M]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

What you are saying is that there is not enough variety to satisfy every possible player.  Your example, a female gay mage who will not get along with those affiliated with the Chantry, is great.  There is no romance option in DA:O that would satisfy such a character.  Likewise, in DA:O there is no romance option that would satisfy a male or female with a Qunari fetish.  Or somebody who was into very old men.  Or somebody into crazed meglomaniacs with large noses.

Yes, exactly. But my gay mage there might've been able to coop up some greatness with Morrigan for instance, if only BioWare had allowed it. There is no reason to limit our choices when we already only have 4 or so people out of an entire country to develop mutual feelings with.

lobi wrote...

Choice choice choice SHUTUP!!111!!!. If you work in an office, mickey D or restauraunt. Hang at the beach, a ski lodge or am in the military. YOU WILL NOT get to sleep with whoever you want, whenever you want period. Because not everyone else is your sexuality, or even interested in you accept this.

That's fine and dandy, but IRL, I will find someone else if I look. In a game, my character can't since there's only so many romance options BioWare can put in a game.

As an aside, I'm suddenly reminded of a great PnP memory somebody told me of. Basically, he had rolled a fighter with very typical stats - great strength, dexterity and constitution while leaving his charisma something to be desired. He was fine with this, until one day when his character met with a princess (or something of that effect) and developed feelings for her, even though she was planned as a minor character. He told the dungeon master about his character's feelings. Afterwards, one of the greatest hooks for him to keep playing was trying to win the girl over even though he couldn't speak for himself worth crap and was utterly forgettable in every way aside from that smell that seemed so difficult to get rid of.

The DM made him jump through hoops and it took a long time, but eventually he did give the character his princess. This is great DMing, being able to shape your story around your players' desires. Of course, it's utterly impossible in a crpg. But a company should still enable as many options as possible instead of disabling, to make more situations possible.

The problem is spending enough resources to make LI for any sexuality to feel different or unique. Sexuality will inevitably become part of that character's history and (s)he must change somewhat accordingly.

This does not mean that the input of a specific sexual orientation ( i.e.when you initiate a romance with them) should make characters more prone to a particular personality type, but rather, to alter characters' history to react in accordance with the chosen sexuality type, so that this input accounts for minor personal character history modifications, and perhaps slightly different character personality ( views on things related to sexuality and such) in any way imagined, left to the writer's discretion.

I'm not asking for writers to completely rewrite their stories just because their characters are gay though. I'm asking for them to change up their history a bit, such as Anders mentioning he had a boyfriend in the Circle. That'sgood.

So in essence, even though they're working with the same characters, creating romances for player characters with a sexual orientation different from the norm should require extra work.

My problem is that I'm not sure they'll be able or willing to spend enough resources on something that is essentially niche, so that it doesn't feel tacked on, at least.


Note: Obviously there are some differences already between gay and straight romances in DA II. I'm just not sure 'if they're there yet'. Or if it's doable at all, even.

[lobi]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...
That's fine and dandy, but IRL, I will find someone else if I look. In a game, my character can't since there's only so many romance options BioWare can put in a game.

As an aside, I'm suddenly reminded of a great PnP memory somebody told me of. Basically, he had rolled a fighter with very typical stats - great strength, dexterity and constitution while leaving his charisma something to be desired.

Like that song says 'If you can not be with the one you love, then love the one your with'. Bittersweet is beautiful.
also
Why would anyone not put points in charisma???!!!!!???
Charisma, Dex, luck= win everything.

Modifié par lobi, 15 juin 2011 - 01:37 .

[Reinhardt M]

lobi wrote...

Reinhardt M wrote...

lobi wrote...
/rant

I somewhat agree with your main point, but you're also implying that one or more groups of a particular orientation must be necessarily be 'desperate to have sex with virtual characters', which I don't think is case -- not more so, at least, than should be said of all sexual orientations if you truly feel that way. 

After all, we still get love interests in BioWare games of any one sexuality, whatever that may be, and I believe requests for them to return in future Dragon Age titles will be made ( loudly, I might add ) if they are taken away, regardless of the majority's personal sexual affilations.

Unless you're implying we need to have less or no love interests?

Not less choice defined choice. I am saying for immersion we need varied chars with defined sexuality be it gay straight or bi. Morrigan was unattainable sexually for my warden and as a gamer I knew this, didnt stop me from trying though. She remains to this day my fav Dragonage NPC.
And yes if circumstance dictate no sex then so be it, there is always the Pearl or rose if you need it. A love interest not part of the combat party would be unreal.
Having said all that if there was an Achievment called 'Slattern of Thedas' I would have it as I am a completionist, and a little slully.

My point was that people will still want romances, regardless if they're gay or not. 

I agree though. But what if, for instance, deciding that Morrigan should be a lesbian has led to a previous relationship which changed her outlook on life a bit? Not just because she was lesbian per se, but because being lesbian allowed her to have a relationship she previously wouldn't have been responsive to in regards to her backstory.

Obviously this example could account for a significant change in Morrigan's character and requires extra $$$, so I'm not under the illusion that BioWare can magically pop such variations into existence.

Modifié par Reinhardt M, 15 juin 2011 - 01:41 .

[Reinhardt M]

ImoenBaby wrote...

lobi wrote...

It is not a Roleplay choice if all NPC sex are available to all PC types evil and good it is a cookie cutter option like in store armour, so go to tevinter and take your indignation with you.

Sure it is - just not a choice you'd like.

Look. What if almost every element of pop culture excluded you personally? Not for an actual good reason, but becuase you're outnumbered 100-1? Note that I'm not asking that every single aspect of our culture should go out of its way to include you, just that it sometimes recognize that a) you exist and you have money to spend, and would like to enjoy at least some of the things almost everyone else can.

Which is why I understand these requests, personally. 

[lobi]

ImoenBaby wrote...

lobi wrote...

It is not a Roleplay choice if all NPC sex are available to all PC types evil and good it is a cookie cutter option like in store armour, so go to tevinter and take your indignation with you.

Sure it is - just not a choice you'd like.

Look. What if almost every element of pop culture excluded you personally? Not for an actual good reason, but becuase you're outnumbered 100-1? Note that I'm not asking that every single aspect of our culture should go out of its way to include you, just that it sometimes recognize that a) you exist and you have money to spend, and would like to enjoy at least some of the things almost everyone else can.

Your missing the point, I am saying have a preference sexually but instead of the in game Blond you want, only the Brunette is compatable, thats closer to life. It's closer to truth It's Immersive.

Modifié par lobi, 15 juin 2011 - 01:48 .

[Reinhardt M]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

What you are saying is that there is not enough variety to satisfy every possible player.  Your example, a female gay mage who will not get along with those affiliated with the Chantry, is great.  There is no romance option in DA:O that would satisfy such a character.  Likewise, in DA:O there is no romance option that would satisfy a male or female with a Qunari fetish.  Or somebody who was into very old men.  Or somebody into crazed meglomaniacs with large noses.

Yes, exactly. But my gay mage there might've been able to coop up some greatness with Morrigan for instance, if only BioWare had allowed it. There is no reason to limit our choices when we already only have 4 or so people out of an entire country to develop mutual feelings with.

Again, I very much appreciate your point, but there are time constraints on projects that simply make the inclusion of such options infeasible.  That is to say, if Bioware enabled Morrigan to be romanced by a female Warden, they would have to have written an entire extra catalogue of dialogue to give Morrigan a different slant on her lesbian romance than her straight one.

You may have noticed that romancing Zevran or Lelianna as a male or female is quite different - and it so should be.  If Bioware simply enabled a tickbox, letting a female Warden romance Morrigan with exactly the same dialogue and reactions (I'm sure there is a mod for this anyway), it would be a fairly fake and poor romance.

Not to mention, Morrigan herself doesn't seem like the type of character who would romance another woman.  She was enough trouble just to convince to romance a man.

So I guess to summarise:

1) Yes it would be nice if you could romance every player in your party, as either gender.  To do this, Bioware would need to put in a lot more money and time, for an extremely marginal gain in some cases (I can't imagine many doing a Shale romance for example) - they simply don't have these resources.  As such, they include as many romances as they can, which are designed to appeal to as much of the fanbase as possible.

2) Making every possible character bisexual is limiting to the character's personalities themselves.  One thing that defines a character is their sexuality.  There should be characters who are absolutely straight, and characters who are absolutely gay.  And characters who are uncaring and drift between (Zevran, Lelianna).  What there should not be, are characters like the DA2 romance options, who were written to conform to a straight relationship and a gay relationship with almost identical dialogue and characterisations - which ends up weakening the straight and the gay romance.

Well, that's all IMO anyway.

That pretty much sums up how I feel too.

[Reinhardt M]

lobi wrote...

ImoenBaby wrote...

lobi wrote...

It is not a Roleplay choice if all NPC sex are available to all PC types evil and good it is a cookie cutter option like in store armour, so go to tevinter and take your indignation with you.

Sure it is - just not a choice you'd like.

Look. What if almost every element of pop culture excluded you personally? Not for an actual good reason, but becuase you're outnumbered 100-1? Note that I'm not asking that every single aspect of our culture should go out of its way to include you, just that it sometimes recognize that a) you exist and you have money to spend, and would like to enjoy at least some of the things almost everyone else can.

Your missing the point, I am saying have a preference sexually but instead of the in game Blond you want, only the Brunette is compatable, thats closer to life. It's closer to truth It's Immersive.

It's just that initiating a failed romance could cost just as much as changing up the romance for an existing character, at least if you're allowed to constantly compete for a character's feelings.

[Harid]

Reinhardt M wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

What you are saying is that there is not enough variety to satisfy every possible player.  Your example, a female gay mage who will not get along with those affiliated with the Chantry, is great.  There is no romance option in DA:O that would satisfy such a character.  Likewise, in DA:O there is no romance option that would satisfy a male or female with a Qunari fetish.  Or somebody who was into very old men.  Or somebody into crazed meglomaniacs with large noses.

Yes, exactly. But my gay mage there might've been able to coop up some greatness with Morrigan for instance, if only BioWare had allowed it. There is no reason to limit our choices when we already only have 4 or so people out of an entire country to develop mutual feelings with.

Again, I very much appreciate your point, but there are time constraints on projects that simply make the inclusion of such options infeasible.  That is to say, if Bioware enabled Morrigan to be romanced by a female Warden, they would have to have written an entire extra catalogue of dialogue to give Morrigan a different slant on her lesbian romance than her straight one.

You may have noticed that romancing Zevran or Lelianna as a male or female is quite different - and it so should be.  If Bioware simply enabled a tickbox, letting a female Warden romance Morrigan with exactly the same dialogue and reactions (I'm sure there is a mod for this anyway), it would be a fairly fake and poor romance.

Not to mention, Morrigan herself doesn't seem like the type of character who would romance another woman.  She was enough trouble just to convince to romance a man.

So I guess to summarise:

1) Yes it would be nice if you could romance every player in your party, as either gender.  To do this, Bioware would need to put in a lot more money and time, for an extremely marginal gain in some cases (I can't imagine many doing a Shale romance for example) - they simply don't have these resources.  As such, they include as many romances as they can, which are designed to appeal to as much of the fanbase as possible.

2) Making every possible character bisexual is limiting to the character's personalities themselves.  One thing that defines a character is their sexuality.  There should be characters who are absolutely straight, and characters who are absolutely gay.  And characters who are uncaring and drift between (Zevran, Lelianna).  What there should not be, are characters like the DA2 romance options, who were written to conform to a straight relationship and a gay relationship with almost identical dialogue and characterisations - which ends up weakening the straight and the gay romance.

Well, that's all IMO anyway.

That pretty much sums up how I feel too.

This is pretty much how I feel too.  If DA2 was a step in the right direction for you, you've got poor standards.

[ImoenBaby]

lobi wrote...

ImoenBaby wrote...

lobi wrote...

It is not a Roleplay choice if all NPC sex are available to all PC types evil and good it is a cookie cutter option like in store armour, so go to tevinter and take your indignation with you.

Sure it is - just not a choice you'd like.

Look. What if almost every element of pop culture excluded you personally? Not for an actual good reason, but becuase you're outnumbered 100-1? Note that I'm not asking that every single aspect of our culture should go out of its way to include you, just that it sometimes recognize that a) you exist and you have money to spend, and would like to enjoy at least some of the things almost everyone else can.

Your missing the point, I am saying have a preference sexually but instead of the in game Blond you want, only the Brunette is compatable, thats closer to life. It's closer to truth It's Immersive.

Oh, I understand that. All sorts of things are closer to life - like the absence of dragons and magic spells. But one of the closest things to immersive truth is being able to roleplay with an npc that can love you in return.

So, what if almost *every* bit of pop culture excluded you personally, Lobi? How would you feel if ONE game out of several hundred tried including you for a change?

Here's my take: it's more expensive to make exclusively gay characters, because there are far less gay players than hetero ones....but the hawkesexual concept includes more players, for a reasonable cost.

Money is what it boils down to. Money, and respect I believe.

[lobi]

Reinhardt M wrote...

lobi wrote...

ImoenBaby wrote...

lobi wrote...

It is not a Roleplay choice if all NPC sex are available to all PC types evil and good it is a cookie cutter option like in store armour, so go to tevinter and take your indignation with you.

Sure it is - just not a choice you'd like.

Look. What if almost every element of pop culture excluded you personally? Not for an actual good reason, but becuase you're outnumbered 100-1? Note that I'm not asking that every single aspect of our culture should go out of its way to include you, just that it sometimes recognize that a) you exist and you have money to spend, and would like to enjoy at least some of the things almost everyone else can.

Your missing the point, I am saying have a preference sexually but instead of the in game Blond you want, only the Brunette is compatable, thats closer to life. It's closer to truth It's Immersive.

It's just that initiating a failed romance could cost just as much as changing up the romance for an existing character, at least if you're allowed to constantly compete for a character's feelings.

I consider my interactions with Morrigan a failed romance/unrequited love. RPG should be about consequences from choices made big or small. Warden missed love with Lily because she was obsessed with Morrigan, consequence.

Modifié par lobi, 15 juin 2011 - 02:01 .

[lobi]

lobi wrote...

Reinhardt M wrote...

lobi wrote...

ImoenBaby wrote...

lobi wrote...

It is not a Roleplay choice if all NPC sex are available to all PC types evil and good it is a cookie cutter option like in store armour, so go to tevinter and take your indignation with you.

Sure it is - just not a choice you'd like.

Look. What if almost every element of pop culture excluded you personally? Not for an actual good reason, but becuase you're outnumbered 100-1? Note that I'm not asking that every single aspect of our culture should go out of its way to include you, just that it sometimes recognize that a) you exist and you have money to spend, and would like to enjoy at least some of the things almost everyone else can.

Your missing the point, I am saying have a preference sexually but instead of the in game Blond you want, only the Brunette is compatable, thats closer to life. It's closer to truth It's Immersive.

It's just that initiating a failed romance could cost just as much as changing up the romance for an existing character, at least if you're allowed to constantly compete for a character's feelings.

I consider my interactions with Morrigan a failed romance/unrequited love. RPG should be about consequences from choices made big or small. Warden missed love with Lily because she was obsessed with Morrigan who was unattainable, consequence of choice, tragic and beautiful and player created.

Modifié par lobi, 15 juin 2011 - 02:04 .

[ImoenBaby]

[quote]lobi wrote...

I consider my interactions with Morrigan a failed romance/unrequited love. RPG should be about consequences from choices made big or small. Warden missed love with Lily because she was obsessed with Morrigan who was unattainable, consequence of choice, tragic and beautiful and player created.[/quote]
[/quote]

What if all choices you made were always unattainable?

RPGS should be about choices and consequences...but the more choice, the better.

[lobi]

ImoenBaby wrote...
So, what if almost *every* bit of pop culture excluded you personally, Lobi? How would you feel if ONE game out of several hundred tried including you for a change?
Here's my take: it's more expensive to make exclusively gay characters, because there are far less gay players than hetero ones....but the hawkesexual concept includes more players, for a reasonable cost.
Money is what it boils down to. Money, and respect I believe.

Snap out of it. There should be a Bi Gay Straight and Transgender NPC love interest in game but not every NPC should be Gay Straight Bi and Transgender all at once. And not all love interests should be part of the combat party. When I play DA2 Isabella is imagined as transgender as is Varrick (no beard). Also take care who you talk to in that tone, ok hon.

Modifié par lobi, 15 juin 2011 - 02:19 .

[Boiny Bunny]

ImoenBaby wrote...

RPGS should be about choices and consequences...but the more choice, the better.

Not exactly.  The more choice, the better - if the consequences for each choice are adequate.

Naturally, when one introduces more choices into the game, the amount of consequence of each choice lessens.

I don't want a game with 5000 choices and close to zero impact for nearly every single one of them (like DA2).  I'd much rather have 50 choices, which all have a strong impact on the game.

The more of anything you put in a game on a limited budget and timeframe, the lower the quality each thing you put in will be.  This applies to romances.

The more romances Bioware puts into a game, the lower the quality of each romance.  Quite evident in DA2, where in theory, there are 8 possible romances.

[Huntress]

If lets say IF bioware make a game as close to live as possible ( I hope won't happen, enough drama in the TV already)

Lets see who actually would have travel with me in kirkwall ( you can add yourself):
Isabela: the moment I see her she is probably in if I like her looks, but the moment I see that she is shallow, and only is after one thing " to save her neck and *** the world" or I heard her talking to Anders about her Pass life, she is oUT.

Varric: Cool guy but he likes to LIE about me, he always add more to what happen and to him is about how others sees me, do I really want someone like him? OUT, what would people think of me..

Merril: sweet merril, but she is a blood mage, only wants to get a mirror that a demon told her about and she doesn't listen to reason, OUT.

Anders: cool guy but he totally hit on me and he hates people who doesn't think like him, and a demon in his head.. OUT.
Beth: she doesn't have a clue of what she wants, who needs more problem when the circle could keep her save? OUT.
Carver: inferiority complex much?.. OUT.
Sebastian: can you please stop trying to wash my brain and let me think? OUT.

Avelin: she is somewhat good , she knows what she likes, she is a guard-captain maybe I keep her until what? the end of act2? fine until the end of act 2.

Fenris: This guy is harsh, doesn't trust anyone and he only need you for 1 thing: to kill a powerful Blood-mage that has him as slave for all his life.. would I really risk my neck for him?
Not me ( and I totally love his voice ) OUT

So all and all I will have what? 1 companion Varric if I really get into the deeproad? maybe NONE.. yes life is a B1tch.

How many of them travel with you?

Modifié par Huntress, 15 juin 2011 - 02:48 .

[ImoenBaby]

lobi wrote...

ImoenBaby wrote...
So, what if almost *every* bit of pop culture excluded you personally, Lobi? How would you feel if ONE game out of several hundred tried including you for a change?
Here's my take: it's more expensive to make exclusively gay characters, because there are far less gay players than hetero ones....but the hawkesexual concept includes more players, for a reasonable cost.
Money is what it boils down to. Money, and respect I believe.

Snap out of it. There should be a Bi Gay Straight and Transgender NPC love interest in game but not every NPC should be Gay Straight Bi and Transgender all at once. And not all love interests should be part of the combat party. When I play DA2 Isabella is imagined as transgender as is Varrick (no beard). Also take care who you talk to in that tone, ok hon.

Relax. 

I would agree with you about not every character having to be bi...but I don't fund an entire game's developement out of my own pocket.

Am I so wrong for assuming it's too expensive?

So, how would you feel Lobi? One game trying to include you when several hundred other games ignore you? Is that really so threatning?

[lobi]

ImoenBaby wrote...
So, how would you feel Lobi? One game trying to include you when several hundred other games ignore you? Is that really so threatning?

I am out and not a victim. Is that clear enough?

[ImoenBaby]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

ImoenBaby wrote...

RPGS should be about choices and consequences...but the more choice, the better.

Not exactly.  The more choice, the better - if the consequences for each choice are adequate.

Naturally, when one introduces more choices into the game, the amount of consequence of each choice lessens.

I don't want a game with 5000 choices and close to zero impact for nearly every single one of them (like DA2).  I'd much rather have 50 choices, which all have a strong impact on the game.

The more of anything you put in a game on a limited budget and timeframe, the lower the quality each thing you put in will be.  This applies to romances.

The more romances Bioware puts into a game, the lower the quality of each romance.  Quite evident in DA2, where in theory, there are 8 possible romances.

Yes, choice should be meaningful - I took that for a given. Thanks for making sure though.

I think we'll agree that consequences that matter takes time, more than DA2 had for my liking.

Solution?  I really wish Bioware had put more time into this game. I think the limits of the romance options - of the entire game - are a consequence of deadlines, not a failing in themselves.

[Cody211282]

ImoenBaby wrote...

lobi wrote...

ImoenBaby wrote...
So, what if almost *every* bit of pop culture excluded you personally, Lobi? How would you feel if ONE game out of several hundred tried including you for a change?
Here's my take: it's more expensive to make exclusively gay characters, because there are far less gay players than hetero ones....but the hawkesexual concept includes more players, for a reasonable cost.
Money is what it boils down to. Money, and respect I believe.

Snap out of it. There should be a Bi Gay Straight and Transgender NPC love interest in game but not every NPC should be Gay Straight Bi and Transgender all at once. And not all love interests should be part of the combat party. When I play DA2 Isabella is imagined as transgender as is Varrick (no beard). Also take care who you talk to in that tone, ok hon.

Relax. 

I would agree with you about not every character having to be bi...but I don't fund an entire game's developement out of my own pocket.

Am I so wrong for assuming it's too expensive?

So, how would you feel Lobi? One game trying to include you when several hundred other games ignore you? Is that really so threatning?

How is it expensive to have a set instone characteristic about a character? If anything it would take more moeny to have them read all the lines for gay romanance on top of the straight stuff. I think how they did it in DAO made more sense, some of the teammates were straight, some were bi, all they had to do was toss in a few gay choises and it would have been completly rounded out.

[Deztyn]

Everyone is bi is one of the things that annoyed me about the game. I'd much prefer a mix of gay/straight/bi and if that means I don't get to romance my favorite character... well I'd make a character who could do the romancing rather than complain about it.

But if they do go the same route in DA3 I hope they handle it better than they did in DA2. Fenris, Merrill and Izzy were okay. The sexuality of the first two didn't come up except in relation to Hawke. Izzy was Izzy. But Anders was very obviously shoved in a closet for the Fem game, and it was at the expense of his characterization.

[ImoenBaby]

lobi wrote...

ImoenBaby wrote...
So, how would you feel Lobi? One game trying to include you when several hundred other games ignore you? Is that really so threatning?

I am out and not a victim. Is that clear enough?

I'm straight and not a victim, for what it's worth.

I would love a game that offered exclusively gay and straight npcs (and off-topic, a Bethesda-sized world with a Bioware story.)

I don't think hawkesexual romances are ideal, but I also don't think Bioware had the budget to make a whole roster of exclusively gay and straight characters. Yet, they wanted to offer a greater variety to more people. Compromize: hawkesexual.

It's not perfect, and god knows the game itself isn't perfect...I just respect the company for offering the choice to people who almost never get the choice. They want immersion too, and this was one imperfect way to extend that experience.

[lobi]

Imoen they had plenty of money, they just did not want to spend it.

Just as an aside and not to derail the thread.
Non gender specific dialogue is how most in game sexuality is expressed and the players imagination is asked to do the rest and the NPC variance is enough to give a sub/dom choice albiet a limited one, But what of Hawk?
 Does Hawk's speech fit the sexuality we are attaching. Is Hawk truly Gender aschematic and should Hawk be so? How far can we take this? There are already problems with the Evil.. Bad... kindaBad/Good and Hawks Dialogue but when we try to personalise Hawk with sexuality a dominant consideration does the voice/dialogue get in the way?

(Imoen I was wondering why you kept on with the 'how would you feel' line, suffragettes are annoying sometimes.)

Modifié par lobi, 15 juin 2011 - 03:19 .

[ImoenBaby]

Cody211282 wrote...

How is it expensive to have a set instone characteristic about a character? If anything it would take more moeny to have them read all the lines for gay romanance on top of the straight stuff. I think how they did it in DAO made more sense, some of the teammates were straight, some were bi, all they had to do was toss in a few gay choises and it would have been completly rounded out.

It's not expensive to have a "set in stone characteristic" for one character...but what if you're trying to offer variety for a lot more people? And what if both gay and straight players love the same character? I think Bioware has mentioned that they have a large gay audience.

Certainly, there are more lines to be recorded when Anders (or whoever) can be gay or straight. But I believe Bioware was trying to extend some equal opportunity romancing to all players, and choose to compromize.

Ideally, there would be exclusively gay and exclusively straight npcs, which would be more expensive than recording a few extra lines. I would gladly pay for such a game, but then I think $60 is a pittance, where most people online seem to balk.

[lobi]

Deztyn wrote...
But Anders was very obviously shoved in a closet for the Fem game, and it was at the expense of his characterization.

Is this the disconnect between Awakening/Anders and DA2/Anders or gender dysphoria that seemed part of Anders personality exacerbated by the fact he was an Apostate mage? Or did you have something else in mind?

Modifié par lobi, 15 juin 2011 - 03:31 .