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[Darkhour]

James Raynor wrote...

It seems Ashley has been promoted to the rank of lieutenant
I do find it strange though because IIRC the Williams family were barred from ever being officers again because of the Shanxi incident where her grandfather General Williams had surrended to the Turians.

I guess they promote the VS once each game. Apparently there is no officer and enlisted corp in ME. Junior officers are SNCOs equivalents. Notice there are no tradtional SNCOs in the Alliance. It cuts off at E-6. I wish our modern day militaries were like that. I never saw much point in 20 year old inexperienced kids being put in positions of authority over experienced competent veterans. The SNCOs are the ones doing their jobs anyway.


ENLISTED

Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
Serviceman 1st class/Corporal [/list]NCOs

Service Chief
Gunnery Chief
Operations Chief [/list]OFFICERS

2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain/Major
Rear Admiral/General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral [/list]

Modifié par Darkhour, 14 juin 2011 - 05:09 .

[Unata]

Jumping from the enlisted ranks into officer ranks isn't something just handed out, Operations Chief Ashley is enlisted, would take a lot of extra training to become an officer.

Alliance Ranks
ENLISTED

Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
Serviceman 1st class/Corporal

NCOs

Service Chief
Gunnery Chief
Operations Chief

OFFICERS

2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain/Major
Rear Admiral/General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

When I heard Anderson's order to the Normandy I took it as him talking to Joker (known to be a Lieutenant) to bring the ship in and Ashley is just assisting with comments.

[jbblue05]

James Raynor wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Ash already got promoted to Operations Chief.

I wonder what she did to get promoted to LT. and become a spectre post ME2

indeed they said only a few months had passed between Arrival and ME3 which does make me wonder how she got promoted so quickly

Maybe its fan-service.  Bioware said they kept VS and Liara out of ME2 because they have important roles in ME3.
Liara is the SB, making the VS a spectre could be to just appease their fans

Hopefully she did something amazing and is not made spectre just because she rode the coattails of the first huiman specte.

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James Raynor wrote...

I see I was under the impression she felt the Williams' were barred from the officer list isn't it supposed to be worse?

I don't think they can bar anyone in our current military because of who your parents are and I doubt in the future a Space military would be any different much less regress to more personal and biased decisions.  But black listed? perhaps but thats just a stigma.  That stigma had to be washed away for Ashley after being involved in saving the citadel with Shepard.

And remember we learn this info from Ashley, I always thinks she exaggerates and we don't hear anything from the Alliance point of view on the Williams.

[James Raynor]

I think Joker would have answered instead of letting Ashley if that were the case and Anderson would have adressed Joker directly

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Warkupo wrote...

She's a Spectre, her military rank is sort of irrelevant now.

Shepard just likes to call himself/herself Commander.

[Calamity Abounds]

James Raynor wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Ash already got promoted to Operations Chief.

I wonder what she did to get promoted to LT. and become a spectre post ME2

indeed they said only a few months had passed between Arrival and ME3 which does make me wonder how she got promoted so quickly

Maybe post-Horizon got her promoted to lieutenant? At that point that was the only colony to not be completely taken by the Collectors. Not to mention if she was investigated Shep secretly, the Alliance brass would have disavowed Shepard and Cerberus' involvment with getting the defense towers online.

They may have also given her Kaiden's position when she was reassigned to the Normandy which resulted in her promotion.  I'm also one who believes she may have had Spectre status pre-Horizon, investigating for the Alliance and Council.

Ah speculation

[James Raynor]

HTTP 404 wrote...

James Raynor wrote...

I see I was under the impression she felt the Williams' were barred from the officer list isn't it supposed to be worse?

I don't think they can bar anyone in our current military because of who your parents are and I doubt in the future a Space military would be any different much less regress to more personal and biased decisions.  But black listed? perhaps but thats just a stigma.  That stigma had to be washed away for Ashley after being involved in saving the citadel with Shepard.

And remember we learn this info from Ashley, I always thinks she exaggerates and we don't hear anything from the Alliance point of view on the Williams.

Before Ashley met Shepard she requested several times to be transfered to a frigate where she could gain real combat experience and each time she was denied for no reason.Without real combat experience you can't ask for a promotion.Denying her such assignment was the best way to keep her where she is.

[Nerevar-as]

At least if she dies in Virmire, in ME2 they say the Williams name is no longer associated to the events of Shanxi. In fact that´s the reason I saved her most of the times, as I really dislike the redemption in death trope, more so in the circumstances of Shanxi.

[jbblue05]

Calamity Abounds wrote...

James Raynor wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Ash already got promoted to Operations Chief.

I wonder what she did to get promoted to LT. and become a spectre post ME2

indeed they said only a few months had passed between Arrival and ME3 which does make me wonder how she got promoted so quickly

Maybe post-Horizon got her promoted to lieutenant? At that point that was the only colony to not be completely taken by the Collectors. Not to mention if she was investigated Shep secretly, the Alliance brass would have disavowed Shepard and Cerberus' involvment with getting the defense towers online.

They may have also given her Kaiden's position when she was reassigned to the Normandy which resulted in her promotion.  I'm also one who believes she may have had Spectre status pre-Horizon, investigating for the Alliance and Council.

Ah speculation

Spectres have high notoriety, if she was a spectre TIM would've easily find out.  All we know is that her Alliance file is confidential.  Maybe Ash did some work for the Corsairs that got her promoted

[The Elder King]

Fort what I understand, she'll be both a Spectre and a member of the Alliance, with the grade of 2nd Lietuenant. I think that there will be more problem with Kaidan, which has the same grade of Shepard (Commander) and is a Spectre like Shep. Though in truth Shepard's grade should be Captain, since he was in charge of an Alliance ship in ME, and he'll most certainly will in ME3. So even if Shepard's grade is Commander, he's real grade is Captain in term of power. I'm almost sure Kaidan/Ashely will be XO of the SR2.

[jamesp81]

Unata wrote...

Jumping from the enlisted ranks into officer ranks isn't something just handed out, Operations Chief Ashley is enlisted, would take a lot of extra training to become an officer.

Alliance Ranks
ENLISTED

Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
Serviceman 1st class/Corporal

NCOs

Service Chief
Gunnery Chief
Operations Chief

OFFICERS

2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain/Major
Rear Admiral/General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

When I heard Anderson's order to the Normandy I took it as him talking to Joker (known to be a Lieutenant) to bring the ship in and Ashley is just assisting with comments.

Ashley is probably now a Mustang: an NCO that receives a battlefield promotion to a commissioned officer's rank.  Happened some in WW2.  She probably went and kicked the living crap out of some badguys or something and earned that promotion.

[The Elder King]

Nerevar-as wrote...

At least if she dies in Virmire, in ME2 they say the Williams name is no longer associated to the events of Shanxi. In fact that´s the reason I saved her most of the times, as I really dislike the redemption in death trope, more so in the circumstances of Shanxi.

Since she's a Spectre in ME3, the Williams name will probably be cleaned.

[James Raynor]

I wouldn't say cleaned more likely the Alliance will put forward her family name in a different light if she is a spectre

[Nerevar-as]

hhh89 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

At least if she dies in Virmire, in ME2 they say the Williams name is no longer associated to the events of Shanxi. In fact that´s the reason I saved her most of the times, as I really dislike the redemption in death trope, more so in the circumstances of Shanxi.

Since she's a Spectre in ME3, the Williams name will probably be cleaned.

IMHO, there was nothing to clean from the beginning. Williams chose his men´s lifes over racial pride (reminds me of some pointless battles from WWI).

It´s also the reason I didn´t like his portrayal in TIM´s comic. The little we saw seemed more the kind to go down fighting regardless of the cost.

[Pride Demon]

snfonseka wrote...

Someone please promote Shepard to a Staff Commander.

Agreed...  After all he/she has done it's time to move up from Lieutenant Commander: if they want to keep the "Commander" flavour that's fine, but promoting him to Staff Commander won't change how he/she is called and at least shows he/she has recognition for what he/she has done... :/

As for the matter of Ashley's rank, I believe that simply makes her "even" with Kaidan...

Kaidan jumped up TWO ranks since ME1:
- Staff Lieutenant (his original rank) -> Lieutenant Commander -> Staff Commander (his current rank)
And yes, in the Alliance he outranks Shepard now...

Ashley instead only moved up one:
- Gunnery Chief (her original rank) -> Operations Chief (her current rank)

I'm going to go and guess they simply moved her up another rank and she is now 2nd Lieutenant...

[James Raynor]

In the Alliance Kaidan does outrank Shepard but Spectres are outside of any species chain of command they only answer to the Council which still makes Shepard his superior

[The Elder King]

Nerevar-as wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

At least if she dies in Virmire, in ME2 they say the Williams name is no longer associated to the events of Shanxi. In fact that´s the reason I saved her most of the times, as I really dislike the redemption in death trope, more so in the circumstances of Shanxi.

Since she's a Spectre in ME3, the Williams name will probably be cleaned.

IMHO, there was nothing to clean from the beginning. Williams chose his men´s lifes over racial pride (reminds me of some pointless battles from WWI).

It´s also the reason I didn´t like his portrayal in TIM´s comic. The little we saw seemed more the kind to go down fighting regardless of the cost.

I agree with you.

[Pride Demon]

James Raynor wrote...

In the Alliance Kaidan does outrank Shepard but Spectres are outside of any species chain of command they only answer to the Council which still makes Shepard his superior

Spectre status supercedes normal ranking, that's true, but Kaidan is a Spectre too now and Spectres have no chain of command (they are all technically equal), so not only Shep isn't his superior but Kaidan has technically more political pull due to his higher military rank...
Shep may at most claim to be his Spectre "senior", but only because he/she has been a Spectre longer, not for inherent ranking...

EDIT: There's also the fact Shep may have refused reinstatement, so Kaidan would be BOTH his military superior (Shep is back in the Alliance) and outrank him as a Spectre...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 14 juin 2011 - 03:18 .

[Oblivious]

James Raynor wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Ash already got promoted to Operations Chief.

I wonder what she did to get promoted to LT. and become a spectre post ME2

indeed they said only a few months had passed between Arrival and ME3 which does make me wonder how she got promoted so quickly

In todays military to go from Sergeant to Lieutenant one simply has to be accepted for OCS and successfully complete the training. That or earn a field commission, but since there was no war at the time of the promotion Ashley probably just went through Officer Candidate School and passed with flying colors.

[shepskisaac]

Mungolian_ wrote...
I'd really like it if it were just Kaidan who got promoted. Nothing against Ashley. I like her--my canon romanced her in 1 and stayed faithful in 2. I just think it would be nice to differentiate the Virmire Survivors. They're basically interchangable right now.

This and I don't like it.

[Hathur]

Wasn't she a Staff Commander in ME2 (I know Kaidan was promoted to Staff Commander.. don't remember what Anderson said about Ashley).

Wouldn't Lieutenant be a demotion from Staff Commander?

Modifié par Hathur, 14 juin 2011 - 03:35 .

[Pride Demon]

Hathur wrote...

Wasn't she a Staff Commander in ME2 (I know Kaidan was promoted to Staff Commander.. don't remember what Anderson said about Ashley).

Wouldn't Lieutenant be a demotion from Staff Commander?

Ashley was Gunnery Chief in ME1 and was promoted to Operations Chief in ME2... So becoming 2nd Lieutenant is a further promotion...

[Destroy Raiden_]

It's far more believable for me that Ash and Kaiden are LT then a spector.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 14 juin 2011 - 03:47 .