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[Funkjoker]

I was wondering during ME1 already why Shepard didn't get promoted. I don't know why BioWare has to cling to the "Commander Shepard"-title/expression/whatever.

In ME2, Shepard's almost a renegade for the Alliance, so while he has many friends on earth, he also has many enemies. Now that he has to answer for his "crimes"(?) before court, I suspect any promotions are on hold while Shepard's status is not officially known for the Alliance. I suspect he'll be raised greatly after kicking the reaper's asses.

Oh, and don't forget all the nice statues they'll build of Shepard ^.^

Modifié par Jean-Funk Van Damme, 14 juin 2011 - 06:37 .

[James Raynor]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

It's fairly unusual for enlisted soldiers to gain an officer's commission, isn't it?

Officers usually start at Lieutenant straight out of military college,while enlisted men never get there.

I guess in mass effect it may be possible to reach officer rank

[Hathur]

Jean-Funk Van Damme wrote...

I was wondering during ME1 already why Shepard didn't get promoted. I don't know why BioWare has to cling to the "Commander Shepard"-title/expression/whatever.

In ME2, Shepard's almost a renegade for the Alliance, so while he has many friends on earth, he also has many enemies. Now that he has to answer for his "crimes"(?) before court, I suspect any promotions are on hold while Shepard's status is not officially known for the Alliance. I suspect he'll be raised greatly after kicking the reaper's asses.

Oh, and don't forget all the nice statues they build of Shepard ^.^

I always like how the Quarians in the Flotilla (and Tali) refer to Shep as Captain instead of Commander (due to their own culture).. it had a nice ring to it 

[Bailyn242]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Wasn't all of WW1 fairly pointless?

Ugh, someone please fix our education system.

[Bailyn242]

James Raynor wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

It's fairly unusual for enlisted soldiers to gain an officer's commission, isn't it?

Officers usually start at Lieutenant straight out of military college,while enlisted men never get there.

I guess in mass effect it may be possible to reach officer rank

Uhm, I personally know a Lieutenant in the USN who was just promoted from E-6 without OCS. Of course he already had a college education but today, let alone over 100 years from now, enlisted men get commissions. 

The bar to commission for enlisted went the way of the dodo about the time the requirement for noble birth was removed.

[Hathur]

Bailyn242 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Wasn't all of WW1 fairly pointless?

Ugh, someone please fix our education system.

In a sense he's sort of correct... WWII had a moral / ethical purpose behind it (freeing the jews from genocide and slavery.. among other things.. such as liberating much of Europe from the **** invaders). Arguably, WWII is one of the rare few justifiable wars in human history (I said rare few, so please don't rage).

WWI however, was predominately fought over a simple human need / want for revenge over the assassination of an Archduke... while things escalated from there and resulted in numerous invasions / conquests and created nations that needed / wanted liberation... the core catalyst of the war was revenge... "You killed someone, now we kill you." Eye for an eye, and all that. 

So technically, yes, he's right to say WWI was a pointless war.. for the most part. There was no grand moral or great injustice that was to be defeated like Hitler and his **** war machine in WWII.... WWI was just about taking an eye for an eye.... just because humans are often brutish, primitive beasts.

EDIT: sigh, stupid board censors a word that rhymes with "Yahtzee" ... oh and I'm off topic.. damnit, sorry.

Modifié par Hathur, 14 juin 2011 - 07:07 .

[jamesp81]

James Raynor wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

It's fairly unusual for enlisted soldiers to gain an officer's commission, isn't it?

Officers usually start at Lieutenant straight out of military college,while enlisted men never get there.

I guess in mass effect it may be possible to reach officer rank

It's unusual in modern militaries, but more common during wartime.  In WW2, it wasn't uncommon for an enlisted man or NCO to get a battlefield officer's commission.  These soldiers were referred to as "mustangs".

[Bailyn242]

@ Hathur,

To a point you are correct but WWI did serve one purpose in a historical sense. It ended the Hapsburgs and the Ottoman's rule. You might even say that it was critical in bringing Europe to representative democracy. Essentially it was the beginning of the end of Colonial Europe.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Undeserved, of course. Ashley isn't fit to scrub the Normany's toilets... with a toothbrush.

Of course, this time the Normandy actually HAS toilets, so I guess she will be of some use... in the 1 out of 100 times that I did not let her incinerate.

Modifié par Spaghetti_Ninja, 14 juin 2011 - 07:11 .

[Oblivious]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

It's fairly unusual for enlisted soldiers to gain an officer's commission, isn't it?

Officers usually start at Lieutenant straight out of military college,while enlisted men never get there.

TBH that depends on the person. In the United States Military it isn't all that unusual for ambitious people to go through the ranks from enlisted to officer. Most simply remain enlisted because they enjoy it..

[HTTP 404]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

It's fairly unusual for enlisted soldiers to gain an officer's commission, isn't it?

Officers usually start at Lieutenant straight out of military college,while enlisted men never get there.

not true, My brother is a sergeant and veteran and is applying to be an officer.  there are many ways to become an officer.

[CroGamer002]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Ashley's granddad was a drunkard who liked to give his space cars to terrorists. Just sayin'.

If we're doing with giant retcons comic that is badly drawn, then yes.

[HTTP 404]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Undeserved, of course. Ashley isn't fit to scrub the Normany's toilets... with a toothbrush.

Of course, this time the Normandy actually HAS toilets, so I guess she will be of some use... in the 1 out of 100 times that I did not let her incinerate.

her ability to do her job is being judged here not her character right?

I'd sooner work with someone who can get the job done than someone I like for their beliefs.

[James Raynor]

let's say that some people don't like Ashley because of her prejudices against aliens but you can help her change her point of view and in mass effect being religious is kind of strange IIRC
HTTP 404 I agree having someone competent is better but also having someone who has the same set of values is always a nice plus

[Oblivious]

HTTP 404 wrote...

I'd sooner work with someone who can get the job done than someone I like for their beliefs.

Common sense? I thought it was extinct!

[GreenDragon37]

If anything, Shephard needs a promotion. It's long overdue.

[James Raynor]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

If anything, Shephard needs a promotion. It's long overdue.

it sure is long overdue but technically as a spectre he is at the top already

[GreenDragon37]

James Raynor wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

If anything, Shephard needs a promotion. It's long overdue.

it sure is long overdue but technically as a spectre he is at the top already

Yeah, but I'd like to be called Captain Shephard. Also, what about the people who rejected Spectre status? I didn't, but still... something to think about.

[James Raynor]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

James Raynor wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

If anything, Shephard needs a promotion. It's long overdue.

it sure is long overdue but technically as a spectre he is at the top already

Yeah, but I'd like to be called Captain Shephard. Also, what about the people who rejected Spectre status? I didn't, but still... something to think about.

true I would like to be called Captain too that is indeed a good question about spectre reinstatement refusal

[Aedan_Cousland]

Ashley is probably now a Mustang: an NCO that receives a battlefield promotion to a commissioned officer's rank.  Happened some in WW2.  She probably went and kicked the living crap out of some badguys or something and earned that promotion.

It happens sometimes today too. A Mustang is just a Commisioned Officer that once was enlisted. It doesn't necessarily have to be a battlefield commission.

When I was in the Marines I had a Captain that previously done 8 years as an enlisted man, got out as a Staff Sgt, got a college degree while a civilian, and came back to the Marines Corps as an officer. He was a lot older than your average Captain but squared away and tough as boot leather, and one of the best officers I ever knew.

I also had a friend that was enlisted like me but had a college degree before enlisting, and while a Lance Corporal went through the MECEP (Marine Enlisted Commissioning Education Program) to become an officer. He got out as a Major.

Anyway...kind of rambling, but Ash going from enlisted to officer isn't unrealistic.

[Pride Demon]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

If anything, Shephard needs a promotion. It's long overdue.

Like I said I agree with this...

Slightly OT... One of my post ruffled more feathers than I intended, the curious thing is that said post was a simple explanation over a very minor detail of my original post, the main point of which was ignored...
Internet is sure a strange place... ;P

So let's clear it up: just in case some were wondering, I was not bashing Kaidan, I like the dude, he's solid and he's one of my "bros" in game...
I was merely stating that since he is Staff Commander and Shep is still Lieutenant Commander, from a technical point of view in the Alliance he outranks Shep... I was not implying this would ruin my game or make me hate Kaidan or that Kaidan will be the superior officer... If that's what it appeared from my posts then I wrote them wrong...

My original point was that I have no problem whatsoever with Ashley being promoted to 2nd Lieutenant: Kaidan was promoted twice between ME1 and ME2 by the time we meet him, Ashley only once...
Since we know (it's metagaming but bear with me) they are somehow interchangeable as the VS (not saying I like this, but in a sense it is so...) that means in the meanwhile between the games they were assigned to the same missions (like on Horizon for instance)...
If Kaidan completing said missions warranted two promotions the same should be true for Ashley...

The reason she was not already promoted, while Kaidan was, is probably that Kaidan was coming from an officer rank already, while Ashley was from an NCO rank... That involved a lot of paperowork at the very least, so the second promotion arrived a bit later for her... That was all...

[James Raynor]

most of us don't think of it as unrealistic but her spectre status is what makes some of us quite dubious

[James Raynor]

Pride Demon wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

If anything, Shephard needs a promotion. It's long overdue.

Like I said I agree with this...

Slightly OT... One of my post ruffled more feathers than I intended, the curious thing is that said post was a simple explanation over a very minor detail of my original post, the main point of which was ignored...
Internet is sure a strange place... ;P

So let's clear it up: just in case some were wondering, I was not bashing Kaidan, I like the dude, he's solid and he's one of my "bros" in game...
I was merely stating that since he is Staff Commander and Shep is still Lieutenant Commander, from a technical point of view in the Alliance he outranks Shep... I was not implying this would ruin my game or make me hate Kaidan or that Kaidan will be the superior officer... If that's what it appeared from my posts then I wrote them wrong...

My original point was that I have no problem whatsoever with Ashley being promoted to 2nd Lieutenant: Kaidan was promoted twice between ME1 and ME2 by the time we meet him, Ashley only once...
Since we know (it's metagaming but bear with me) they are somehow interchangeable as the VS (not saying I like this, but in a sense it is so...) that means in the meanwhile between the games they were assigned to the same missions (like on Horizon for instance)...
If Kaidan completing said missions warranted two promotions the same should be true for Ashley...

The reason she was not already promoted, while Kaidan was, is probably that Kaidan was coming from an officer rank already, while Ashley was from an NCO rank... That involved a lot of paperowork at the very least, so the second promotion arrived a bit later for her... That was all...

Kaiden was promoted twice for sure but that is not only due to the fact that he belonged to the officer core already his actions during ME prompted this and maybe some other things he did during Shepard's death don't forget that he is also a biotic wired with the controversial L2 implants and biotics are prized soldiers hence enhancing his chance for promotions too

[Pride Demon]

James Raynor wrote...

most of us don't think of it as unrealistic but her spectre status is what makes some of us quite dubious

I understand where you are coming from, I personally am not bothered with that too much (it may be due to some important mission we are not yet aware of, all Spectres apparently run under the wing of a "senior" for some time), but I understand...

But this thread specifically questioned the part about her being promoted Lieutenant, no mention of her as a Spectre, so that's what I answered to...
Though I believe there's a thread about the VS as a Spectre somewhere, I can't remember now... :/

[Pride Demon]

James Raynor wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

If anything, Shephard needs a promotion. It's long overdue.

Like I said I agree with this...

Slightly OT... One of my post ruffled more feathers than I intended, the curious thing is that said post was a simple explanation over a very minor detail of my original post, the main point of which was ignored...
Internet is sure a strange place... ;P

So let's clear it up: just in case some were wondering, I was not bashing Kaidan, I like the dude, he's solid and he's one of my "bros" in game...
I was merely stating that since he is Staff Commander and Shep is still Lieutenant Commander, from a technical point of view in the Alliance he outranks Shep... I was not implying this would ruin my game or make me hate Kaidan or that Kaidan will be the superior officer... If that's what it appeared from my posts then I wrote them wrong...

My original point was that I have no problem whatsoever with Ashley being promoted to 2nd Lieutenant: Kaidan was promoted twice between ME1 and ME2 by the time we meet him, Ashley only once...
Since we know (it's metagaming but bear with me) they are somehow interchangeable as the VS (not saying I like this, but in a sense it is so...) that means in the meanwhile between the games they were assigned to the same missions (like on Horizon for instance)...
If Kaidan completing said missions warranted two promotions the same should be true for Ashley...

The reason she was not already promoted, while Kaidan was, is probably that Kaidan was coming from an officer rank already, while Ashley was from an NCO rank... That involved a lot of paperowork at the very least, so the second promotion arrived a bit later for her... That was all...

Kaiden was promoted twice for sure but that is not only due to the fact that he belonged to the officer core already his actions during ME prompted this and maybe some other things he did during Shepard's death don't forget that he is also a biotic wired with the controversial L2 implants and biotics are prized soldiers hence enhancing his chance for promotions too

That's disputable, biotics are certainly prized... in direct combat... promoting them beyond a certain rank takes them out of the frontlines...
And a biotic away from the frontline leading troops is just like a non biotic away from the frontline leading troops, we have no indication of them being smarter or anything else, the only certain thing is that their potential as biotics is wasted...

Also, aside from being a biotic, most of what you said applies/could apply to Ashley too... ;P

Edit: Sorry double post...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 14 juin 2011 - 10:03 .