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[Oblivious]

James Raynor wrote...

let's say that some people don't like Ashley because of her prejudices against aliens but you can help her change her point of view and in mass effect being religious is kind of strange IIRC
HTTP 404 I agree having someone competent is better but also having someone who has the same set of values is always a nice plus

The prejudices can be worked around but yes, religious humans are indeed strange. I also agree about the same core of values, which Ashley sure doesn't share, but the single biggest problems I find with her personality are her nationalistic view, which can be fixed, and her religious view, which unfortunately cannot. Such a small thing is not enough to justify deciding whether or not she is a capable officer however.

[James Raynor]

Pride Demon wrote...

James Raynor wrote...

most of us don't think of it as unrealistic but her spectre status is what makes some of us quite dubious

I understand where you are coming from, I personally am not bothered with that too much (it may be due to some important mission we are not yet aware of, all Spectres apparently run under the wing of a "senior" for some time), but I understand...

But this thread specifically questioned the part about her being promoted Lieutenant, no mention of her as a Spectre, so that's what I answered to...
Though I believe there's a thread about the VS as a Spectre somewhere, I can't remember now... :/

just a small off topic now let's get back in track

[James Raynor]

Pride Demon wrote...

James Raynor wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

If anything, Shephard needs a promotion. It's long overdue.

Like I said I agree with this...

Slightly OT... One of my post ruffled more feathers than I intended, the curious thing is that said post was a simple explanation over a very minor detail of my original post, the main point of which was ignored...
Internet is sure a strange place... ;P

So let's clear it up: just in case some were wondering, I was not bashing Kaidan, I like the dude, he's solid and he's one of my "bros" in game...
I was merely stating that since he is Staff Commander and Shep is still Lieutenant Commander, from a technical point of view in the Alliance he outranks Shep... I was not implying this would ruin my game or make me hate Kaidan or that Kaidan will be the superior officer... If that's what it appeared from my posts then I wrote them wrong...

My original point was that I have no problem whatsoever with Ashley being promoted to 2nd Lieutenant: Kaidan was promoted twice between ME1 and ME2 by the time we meet him, Ashley only once...
Since we know (it's metagaming but bear with me) they are somehow interchangeable as the VS (not saying I like this, but in a sense it is so...) that means in the meanwhile between the games they were assigned to the same missions (like on Horizon for instance)...
If Kaidan completing said missions warranted two promotions the same should be true for Ashley...

The reason she was not already promoted, while Kaidan was, is probably that Kaidan was coming from an officer rank already, while Ashley was from an NCO rank... That involved a lot of paperowork at the very least, so the second promotion arrived a bit later for her... That was all...

Kaiden was promoted twice for sure but that is not only due to the fact that he belonged to the officer core already his actions during ME prompted this and maybe some other things he did during Shepard's death don't forget that he is also a biotic wired with the controversial L2 implants and biotics are prized soldiers hence enhancing his chance for promotions too

That's disputable, biotics are certainly prized... in direct combat... promoting them beyond a certain rank takes them out of the frontlines...
And a biotic away from the frontline leading troops is just like a non biotic away from the frontline leading troops, we have no indication of them being smarter or anything else, the only certain thing is that their potential as biotics is wasted...

Also, aside from being a biotic, most of what you said applies/could apply to Ashley too... ;P

Well I don't think in this case he is going to be taken out of combat but rather he is in the thick of it

[keekee53]

Hathur wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

It's far more believable for me that Ash and Kaiden are LT then a spector.

I find it sorta cheapens Shepard... in the sense that being a Spectre in ME1 (and ME2 if you choose to be reinstated) was something.. awe inspiring... Shep felt special cus she / he was one of the rare few humans good enough to be a Spectre.

I never saw any of the qualities or traits in Ash / Kaidan that lead me to believe they could be a Spectre like Shepard... or Nihilus... most certainly not like Saren. Anderson would have been a great Spectre (if he wasn't screwed over by Saren), he has many of the traits and qualities that you can see in Shepard.

Frankly, if they wanted a human spectre for ME3, they should have just added another character to the Lore... seeing Kaidan or Ash as one just leaves me thinking "Meh... Spectres... guess they're taking anyone these days." 

Kaidan and Ash are good soldiers, but far from greatness like the Spectres before them... they've certainly never achieved anything as monumental as Shepard did in her/his origin story (be it war hero, sole survivor, etc)... all the great things they achieved were done while under the command of Shepard... not on their own.

I am a huge VS fan, but I TOTALLY AGREE with this post.  I really hope Bioware has a good story behind Kaidan and Ashley's Spectres titles.  I would not have minded ME3 ending with Kaidan and Ashley receiving Spectre status, but to board the Normandy with the title sort of annoys me.

[Pride Demon]

James Raynor wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

That's disputable, biotics are certainly prized... in direct combat... promoting them beyond a certain rank takes them out of the frontlines...
And a biotic away from the frontline leading troops is just like a non biotic away from the frontline leading troops, we have no indication of them being smarter or anything else, the only certain thing is that their potential as biotics is wasted...

Also, aside from being a biotic, most of what you said applies/could apply to Ashley too... ;P

Well I don't think in this case he is going to be taken out of combat but rather he is in the thick of it

I was merely pointing out that biotic =/= easier promotion...
And like I said, apart from the biotic part, all you said in your original post applies/could apply easily to Ashely too, since we don't know what they did while Shep was dead or during his/her mission to stop the collectors...

[Aimi]

Guys, you really shouldn't be using the rank "Staff Commander" to claim that one person has a higher grade than the other. What it makes me think of is a German-style staff officer parallel hierarchy, not that Kaidan's a Commander and the "Staff" appellation is just white noise. If Shepard is a field-grade officer and Kaidan's a staff officer, the "outrank" argument becomes academic.

And anyway, it isn't the grade that matters, it's the position held, especially during wartime. Regardless of Shepard's and Kaidan's grades, if Shep's the CO of the Normandy and Kaidan isn't, Shep gives orders to Kaidan and not the other way around.

[Pride Demon]

daqs wrote...

Guys, you really shouldn't be using the rank "Staff Commander" to claim that one person has a higher grade than the other. What it makes me think of is a German-style staff officer parallel hierarchy, not that Kaidan's a Commander and the "Staff" appellation is just white noise. If Shepard is a field-grade officer and Kaidan's a staff officer, the "outrank" argument becomes academic.

And anyway, it isn't the grade that matters, it's the position held, especially during wartime. Regardless of Shepard's and Kaidan's grades, if Shep's the CO of the Normandy and Kaidan isn't, Shep gives orders to Kaidan and not the other way around.

I know... I said already I never implied Kaidan would be the one giving orders... I'm apparently incapable of correctly getting my point across today...

The outranking is factual however, the hierarchy is the same, as given in the codex...

Alliance Military Ranks

[Aimi]

Pride Demon wrote...

I know... I said already I never implied Kaidan would be the one giving orders... I'm apparently incapable of correctly getting my point across today...

The outranking is factual however, the hierarchy is the same, as given in the codex...

Alliance Military Ranks

Yeesh, I didn't know that Codex entry existed.  The Alliance military just got 40% less cool.  "Staff Commander" as a senior officer grade is just...gross.  All uniformed service branches employing the grade "Chief" [chief petty officers?  in the Army? wtf?] is surreal.  I just...ugh.  I was better off not knowing.

[00_Gundam]

staff does ruin the rank no wonder Shepard introduces himself as Commander Shepard and not Staff Commander Shepard

[Pride Demon]

daqs wrote...

Yeesh, I didn't know that Codex entry existed.  The Alliance military just got 40% less cool.  "Staff Commander" as a senior officer grade is just...gross.  All uniformed service branches employing the grade "Chief" [chief petty officers?  in the Army? wtf?] is surreal.  I just...ugh.  I was better off not knowing.

OT... It's due to the fact Army and Navy are no longer two separate entities (they merged) since the invention of spaceflight...
Controlling the land is useless if you don't control space, the opposite is also true, so they merged the command chains too...
Sorry to bring you bad news if you didn't like it...

00_Gundam wrote...
staff does ruin the rank no wonder Shepard introduces himself as Commander Shepard and not Staff Commander Shepard

That's also because Shep isn't a Staff Commander... He/she is Lieutenant Commmander... ;P

Modifié par Pride Demon, 14 juin 2011 - 11:17 .

[Iwantobelieve]

He's Shepard Commander.

[vader da slayer]

from a developer pov Ashley was probably promoted for the purposes of shortening the VA's time in the booth. (Alenko was a Lt in ME1 and probably stil will be in ME3).

[Foryou]

She's a specter

[cactusberry]

vader da slayer wrote...

from a developer pov Ashley was probably promoted for the purposes of shortening the VA's time in the booth. (Alenko was a Lt in ME1 and probably stil will be in ME3).

In ME2 someone on Horizon called him "Commander Alenko".

[Oblivious]

daqs wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

I know... I said already I never implied Kaidan would be the one giving orders... I'm apparently incapable of correctly getting my point across today...

The outranking is factual however, the hierarchy is the same, as given in the codex...

Alliance Military Ranks

Yeesh, I didn't know that Codex entry existed.  The Alliance military just got 40% less cool.  "Staff Commander" as a senior officer grade is just...gross.  All uniformed service branches employing the grade "Chief" [chief petty officers?  in the Army? wtf?] is surreal.  I just...ugh.  I was better off not knowing.

The United States Navy and Canadian Navy have the ranks Lieutenant Commander and Commander, the latter unofficially known as Staff Commander. Gross or not its based off real militaries;)

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Ashley is 2nd Lieutenant

Kaidan is Staff Commander (unless he got promoted again, like Ashley)

Shepard is [staff?] Commander (I wish he'd get promoted to Captain at least. They even offered a promotion to his mom in the spacer background, but not him.)

Joker is Flight Lieutenant/Helmsman

[00_Gundam]

Pride Demon wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yeesh, I didn't know that Codex entry existed.  The Alliance military just got 40% less cool.  "Staff Commander" as a senior officer grade is just...gross.  All uniformed service branches employing the grade "Chief" [chief petty officers?  in the Army? wtf?] is surreal.  I just...ugh.  I was better off not knowing.

OT... It's due to the fact Army and Navy are no longer two separate entities (they merged) since the invention of spaceflight...
Controlling the land is useless if you don't control space, the opposite is also true, so they merged the command chains too...
Sorry to bring you bad news if you didn't like it...

00_Gundam wrote...
staff does ruin the rank no wonder Shepard introduces himself as Commander Shepard and not Staff Commander Shepard

That's also because Shep isn't a Staff Commander... He/she is Lieutenant Commmander... ;P

If Shepard saves the universe I expect Shepard to get Admiral rank and spectre status

[JeffZero]

Ash deserves all the more. And when the trilogy wraps, she's going to get it.

Setsuna F. Seiei, Gundam 00 Raiser... moving out.

[Clonedzero]

my guess is that the VS is the one that led all the operations that took out all the remaining geth strongholds during the "war" after the battle of the citadel. because thats what you were doing, scouting about mopping up geth when you got blown up by the collectors.

who better to take over than the alliance person on your team who has TONS of experience fighting geth? thus they most likely led a number of very successful assaults on geth strongholds / bases.

with shepard dead the alliance was probably pushing really hard for another human spectre and submitted a list to the council (human council or alien council doesnt matter). the council probably thought the VS would be the best spectre choice because it could be a easy popular choice for a member of shepards team to become a spectre and they've had 2 full years to do some awesome badassery.

so i think it makes PERFECT sense that the VS would become a spectre. shepard isnt a unique snowflake, others are allowed to be spectres.

also please DONT promote shepard to captain. captain shepard just sounds weird. he'll always be commander shepard. the whole bit on talis loyalty mission where everyone was calling me captain i was really weirded out.

[00_Gundam]

JeffZero wrote...

Ash deserves all the more. And when the trilogy wraps, she's going to get it.

Setsuna F. Seiei, Gundam 00 Raiser... moving out.

was it you who knew about my forum name? 

Ash may be given Commander rank at the end at best I think

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

If Ashley got a promotion, it deffinitely wasn't based on personality. I'd personally have her assigned to permanent hull scrubbing duties without a spacesuit.

[00_Gundam]

Clonedzero wrote...

my guess is that the VS is the one that led all the operations that took out all the remaining geth strongholds during the "war" after the battle of the citadel. because thats what you were doing, scouting about mopping up geth when you got blown up by the collectors.

who better to take over than the alliance person on your team who has TONS of experience fighting geth? thus they most likely led a number of very successful assaults on geth strongholds / bases.

with shepard dead the alliance was probably pushing really hard for another human spectre and submitted a list to the council (human council or alien council doesnt matter). the council probably thought the VS would be the best spectre choice because it could be a easy popular choice for a member of shepards team to become a spectre and they've had 2 full years to do some awesome badassery.

so i think it makes PERFECT sense that the VS would become a spectre. shepard isnt a unique snowflake, others are allowed to be spectres.

also please DONT promote shepard to captain. captain shepard just sounds weird. he'll always be commander shepard. the whole bit on talis loyalty mission where everyone was calling me captain i was really weirded out.

I agree that others can be spectres but I think there are not many humans who have what it takes to be a spectre.
Having spectre status dolled out like candy does ruin its value.While I think Ash is competent I don't think she has reached the necessary level to be given such rank yet but in Mass Effect 2 she may already have reached spectre status from what The Illusive Man said her file is surprisingly well classified.

[Funkcase]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

If Ashley got a promotion, it deffinitely wasn't based on personality. I'd personally have her assigned to permanent hull scrubbing duties without a spacesuit.

What? Becuase a soldier who is loyal to the bone to the military she serves in, who always notices good tactical positions, and is never too trusting, but never too harsh. That makes her a bad soldier, right? She's the perfect soldier.

[Clonedzero]

00_Gundam wrote...

I agree that others can be spectres but I think there are not many humans who have what it takes to be a spectre.
Having spectre status dolled out like candy does ruin its value.While I think Ash is competent I don't think she has reached the necessary level to be given such rank yet but in Mass Effect 2 she may already have reached spectre status from what The Illusive Man said her file is surprisingly well classified.

why does everyone think shepard is so much better than ashley/kaidan at the start of ME1?

shepards greatest claim to fame can be simply not dying when attacked by thresher maws. i wouldnt exactly call that "spectre material".

what exactly are the requirements for being a spectre?

i think ashley and kaidan are both great examples.

garrus was looked at for being a spectre as well. he was turned down simply because they doubted they'd eb able to control him.

people put shepard on too big of a pedestal. all of his significant acomplishments aside from your military history claim to fame was AFTER he became a spectre. kaidan and ashley have done alot in ME1, then they also had two full years of doing stuff between ME1 and ME2 where they were given time to shine on their own showing that they werent just riding shepards coattails.

the VS is the perfect 2nd human spectre.

[VampireCommando]

Hang on some one said she's now a Spectre , where is this information or proof?