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[Clonedzero]

VampireCommando wrote...

Hang on some one said she's now a Spectre , where is this information or proof?

thats been around for awhile now lol.

[Funkcase]

VampireCommando wrote...

Hang on some one said she's now a Spectre , where is this information or proof?

The Spectre logo is on Ashley's glove.

Modifié par Funkcase, 15 juin 2011 - 10:23 .

[Gabey5]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

It's fairly unusual for enlisted soldiers to gain an officer's commission, isn't it?

Officers usually start at Lieutenant straight out of military college,while enlisted men never get there.

its the future, you are going by modern military

[00_Gundam]

Clonedzero wrote...

00_Gundam wrote...

I agree that others can be spectres but I think there are not many humans who have what it takes to be a spectre.
Having spectre status dolled out like candy does ruin its value.While I think Ash is competent I don't think she has reached the necessary level to be given such rank yet but in Mass Effect 2 she may already have reached spectre status from what The Illusive Man said her file is surprisingly well classified.

why does everyone think shepard is so much better than ashley/kaidan at the start of ME1?

shepards greatest claim to fame can be simply not dying when attacked by thresher maws. i wouldnt exactly call that "spectre material".

what exactly are the requirements for being a spectre?

i think ashley and kaidan are both great examples.

garrus was looked at for being a spectre as well. he was turned down simply because they doubted they'd eb able to control him.

people put shepard on too big of a pedestal. all of his significant acomplishments aside from your military history claim to fame was AFTER he became a spectre. kaidan and ashley have done alot in ME1, then they also had two full years of doing stuff between ME1 and ME2 where they were given time to shine on their own showing that they werent just riding shepards coattails.

the VS is the perfect 2nd human spectre.

Like you said it all depends on your background in my case I chose the War Hero background which does set my Shepard apart.If you chose the survivor background well it's not easy to survive against a thresher maw most krogans, except Wrex, survive at best or end it dying, most of the time everyone just runs for it or end up dead.The ruthless background is also great in its own way when failure is not an option the military come to you.
That means prior to Spectre status you were already exceptional in your own right that is why the Alliance chose you to represent them as a possible spectre candidate not Ashley nor Kaiden.That is what already sets Shepard apart from Kaiden and Ashley.
It is true that after reaching spectre status you have accomplished wonders but without it you would probably be stuck on the Normandy doing something else without Spectre status you can't chase Saren or even set foot on Noveria denying you most of your accomplishment.
I think more cannon information about Ashley's and Kaiden's whereabouts and actions would convince us into believing they deserve spectre status.

[Clonedzero]

00_Gundam wrote...

Like you said it all depends on your background in my case I chose the War Hero background which does set my Shepard apart.If you chose the survivor background well it's not easy to survive against a thresher maw most krogans, except Wrex, survive at best or end it dying, most of the time everyone just runs for it or end up dead.The ruthless background is also great in its own way when failure is not an option the military come to you.
That means prior to Spectre status you were already exceptional in your own right that is why the Alliance chose you to represent them as a possible spectre candidate not Ashley nor Kaiden.That is what already sets Shepard apart from Kaiden and Ashley.
It is true that after reaching spectre status you have accomplished wonders but without it you would probably be stuck on the Normandy doing something else without Spectre status you can't chase Saren or even set foot on Noveria denying you most of your accomplishment.
I think more cannon information about Ashley's and Kaiden's whereabouts and actions would convince us into believing they deserve spectre status.

well before ME1 even takes place kaidan has over a dozen special commendations, so he's had to have some badassery in there before ME1.

ashley has near perfect technical scores and was able to surive a full blown geth attack (sole survivor *wink wink*) until shepard and co. showed up.

then the events of ME1. then implied badassery between ME1 and ME2. and we have our fully capable spectre ready VS's.

[VampireCommando]

Clonedzero wrote...

00_Gundam wrote...

Like you said it all depends on your background in my case I chose the War Hero background which does set my Shepard apart.If you chose the survivor background well it's not easy to survive against a thresher maw most krogans, except Wrex, survive at best or end it dying, most of the time everyone just runs for it or end up dead.The ruthless background is also great in its own way when failure is not an option the military come to you.
That means prior to Spectre status you were already exceptional in your own right that is why the Alliance chose you to represent them as a possible spectre candidate not Ashley nor Kaiden.That is what already sets Shepard apart from Kaiden and Ashley.
It is true that after reaching spectre status you have accomplished wonders but without it you would probably be stuck on the Normandy doing something else without Spectre status you can't chase Saren or even set foot on Noveria denying you most of your accomplishment.
I think more cannon information about Ashley's and Kaiden's whereabouts and actions would convince us into believing they deserve spectre status.

well before ME1 even takes place kaidan has over a dozen special commendations, so he's had to have some badassery in there before ME1.

ashley has near perfect technical scores and was able to surive a full blown geth attack (sole survivor *wink wink*) until shepard and co. showed up.

then the events of ME1. then implieabled badassery between ME1 and ME2. and we have our fully capable spectre ready VS's.

I've always said that i though Ash has the ability to become a Spectre, and with the events of what she's done since she has met shepard its only reinforced her case to become somthing greater, Also having a fellow Spectreon the squad will add a intreasting dynamic as the other spectres we've met hav either been bad (Saren and Vasir) or died pritty much straight away, however that said i think Ash being a Spectre will be hardly noticable as i think everone will just think of her as the Ash we met in ME1 but just with a few cosmetic changes, not the Ash that is a Spectre, been promoted a few times and is now Shepard's equal in alot of aspects and i find this disapointing as i think this 'new' Ash will have alot to offer.

[evmiller]

As Shepard's mind and soul, I can say that I'm very proud of Ashley and happy about her promotion and Spectre status. I hope we can sit down and finally clear the air after the Horizon situation and go back to being war buddies. She was sorely missed on my crew in ME2.

As far a Shepard still being a LT. Commander? The charges against him should be dropped the second the Reapers show up and he should be IMMEDIATELY promoted to Captain the second he's able to reach someone alive from Alliance command after escaping Earth. If there was a pending promotion when he died, this should be pushed through now. He is in fact in charge of an Alliance frigate again. I find it very disrespectful to withold this given what he's done for the galaxy.

Modifié par evmiller, 15 juin 2011 - 11:13 .

[VampireCommando]

evmiller wrote...

As Shepard's mind and soul, I can say that I'm very proud of Ashley and happy about her promotion and Spectre status. I hope we can sit down and finally clear the air after the Horizon situation and go back to being war buddies. She was sorely missed on my crew in ME2.

As far a Shepard still being a LT. Commander? The charges against him should be dropped the second the Reapers show up and he should be IMMEDIATELY promoted to Captain the second he's able to reach someone alive from Alliance command after escaping Earth. If there was a pending promotion when he died, this should be pushed through now. He is in fact in charge of an Alliance frigate again.

This.

Although 'Captain Shepard' doesnt quite sound as good as Commander Shepard, then again niether does Adimral or any other rank.

[00_Gundam]

maybe a new rank for Shepard that still keeps the 'Commander' in it such as 'Supreme Commander'

[VampireCommando]

00_Gundam wrote...

maybe a new rank for Shepard that still keeps the 'Commander' in it such as 'Supreme Commander'

Meh, sounds to super fantasy kinda thing, although retaining his Spectre status does give him card blanche over alot of people.

[OdanUrr]

“Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”

In this capacity, either Ashley or Kaidan have proven themselves by helping Shepard take down Saren and Sovereign in ME1. However, following that logic, anyone in your team during the events in ME1 is potential Spectre material.

"Spectres are an ideal, a symbol. The embodiment of courage, determinate, and self-reliance. They are the right hand of the Council, instruments of our will."

Unfortunately, here I believe only Shepard fits the bill. Neither Ashley nor Kaidan are willing to believe the Reapers are coming or that Shepard's working with Cerberus is only temporarily and for the "greater good." In fact, Ashley (dunno about Kaiden) almost accuses Shepard of being a traitor and proudly claims she's an Alliance soldier, "it's in my blood." Spectres have to think about the good of the galaxy and cannot be tied down by other chains of command beyond the Council. This is why I never really understood why Shepard was still an Alliance soldier after being inducted into the Spectre Corps. What if the Alliance and the Council issue conflicting orders?

"Spectres bear a great burden. They are protectors of galactic peace, both our first and last line of defense. The safety of the galaxy is theirs to uphold."

Well, kudos to Ashley/Kaidan for ME1 and ME3, but I sure would like to know what they were doing during ME2 when I was out there saving human colonies, strictly an Alliance job.


According to this, Ashley/Kaidan are made Spectres around 2185. You die around 2183. That means that, either sometime before you are "resurrected" or even during your resurrection, these guys are made Spectres. Probably their induction entitled them to a promotion within the Alliance military as well. I would have understood making them Spectres shortly after your defeat of Saren, circa 2183, but definitely not two years later. That means they either had to fill the human Spectre spot, or that they created another human Spectre to keep tabs on Shepard. Either way, it stretches credibility. Horizon proved to me neither of them are Spectre material, whatever apologies you may receive after the fact.

Shepard is trying to do the right thing for the right reasons, while everyone else is trying to bury their heads in the sand through their own prejudices and misconceptions. And, in Shepard's words, "that can't happen."

EDIT: Sorry, they're made Spectres sometime after 2185, which means you were probably alive and kicking Collectors' butts at that time. The theory that they brought Ashley/Kaidan into the Spectre fold to keep tabs on Shepard is the more plausible one, though there's a small possibility they decided to investigate whether there was any truth to Shepard's claims about the coming Reaper invasion.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 15 juin 2011 - 01:54 .

[Kenzie1100]

While I agree that I don't really think Ashley or Kaidan are spectre material, at least compared to Shepard, it doesn't bother me too much. Unless they try and pull rank on Shepard or disobey orders. That would annoy me. I think if they become spectres, Shepard should be a Spectre +1.

Modifié par Kenzie1100, 15 juin 2011 - 01:56 .

[atheelogos]

snfonseka wrote...

Someone please promote Shepard to a Staff Commander.

Or Captain, but yeah he needs to be bumped up.

[Funkcase]

OdanUrr wrote...

“Spectres are not trained, but chosen. Individuals forged in the fire of service and battle—those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.”

In this capacity, either Ashley or Kaidan have proven themselves by helping Shepard take down Saren and Sovereign in ME1. However, following that logic, anyone in your team during the events in ME1 is potential Spectre material.

"Spectres are an ideal, a symbol. The embodiment of courage, determinate, and self-reliance. They are the right hand of the Council, instruments of our will."

Unfortunately, here I believe only Shepard fits the bill. Neither Ashley nor Kaidan are willing to believe the Reapers are coming or that Shepard's working with Cerberus is only temporarily and for the "greater good." In fact, Ashley (dunno about Kaiden) almost accuses Shepard of being a traitor and proudly claims she's an Alliance soldier, "it's in my blood." Spectres have to think about the good of the galaxy and cannot be tied down by other chains of command beyond the Council. This is why I never really understood why Shepard was still an Alliance soldier after being inducted into the Spectre Corps. What if the Alliance and the Council issue conflicting orders?

"Spectres bear a great burden. They are protectors of galactic peace, both our first and last line of defense. The safety of the galaxy is theirs to uphold."

Well, kudos to Ashley/Kaidan for ME1 and ME3, but I sure would like to know what they were doing during ME2 when I was out there saving human colonies, strictly an Alliance job.


According to this, Ashley/Kaidan are made Spectres around 2185. You die around 2183. That means that, either sometime before you are "resurrected" or even during your resurrection, these guys are made Spectres. Probably their induction entitled them to a promotion within the Alliance military as well. I would have understood making them Spectres shortly after your defeat of Saren, circa 2183, but definitely not two years later. That means they either had to fill the human Spectre spot, or that they created another human Spectre to keep tabs on Shepard. Either way, it stretches credibility. Horizon proved to me neither of them are Spectre material, whatever apologies you may receive after the fact.

Shepard is trying to do the right thing for the right reasons, while everyone else is trying to bury their heads in the sand through their own prejudices and misconceptions. And, in Shepard's words, "that can't happen."

EDIT: Sorry, they're made Spectres sometime after 2185, which means you were probably alive and kicking Collectors' butts at that time. The theory that they brought Ashley/Kaidan into the Spectre fold to keep tabs on Shepard is the more plausible one, though there's a small possibility they decided to investigate whether there was any truth to Shepard's claims about the coming Reaper invasion.

You do realise that Ash and Kaidan were right about Cerberus dont you? Cerberus ARE working with the Reapers in ME3. And Ash and Kaidan DO believe in the Reaper threat.

Why should Ashley/Kaidan apologise to Shepard? Shepard was the douche who couldn't explain him/herself to them on Horizon. All Shepard could prove was that the Collectors were working with the Reapers. We dont know what Ash/Kaidan were doing in the past two years, they could have been doing more secret work, behind the scenes ''we heard this was the next colony to get hit'' And they aren't doing anything you say? Sounds more like they're just not doing anything in the eye of the public to me.

[OdanUrr]

Funkcase wrote...

You do realise that Ash and Kaidan were right about Cerberus dont you? Cerberus ARE working with the Reapers in ME3. And Ash and Kaidan DO believe in the Reaper threat.

Why should Ashley/Kaidan apologise to Shepard? Shepard was the douche who couldn't explain him/herself to them on Horizon. All Shepard could prove was that the Collectors were working with the Reapers. We dont know what Ash/Kaidan were doing in the past two years, they could have been doing more secret work, behind the scenes ''we heard this was the next colony to get hit'' And they aren't doing anything you say? Sounds more like they're just not doing anything in the eye of the public to me.

Yes, I know that in ME3 Cerberus is working with the Reapers. According to Shepard it's because they were indoctrinated but it's just his opinion, they could be working for them out of their own free will because of some shady deal to keep humans around once the Reapers destroy everything else in the galaxy. Yes, Ashley/Kaidan are right about that, but they express it out of their hatred for Cerberus and their actions, they have no proof to back up their claims that we know of.

Yes, Shepard made a poor case of explaining just what he was doing with Cerberus but I blame it on poor scripting for that part. He should have been more vocal about what he saw on Freedom's Progress but, truth be told, he really doesn't have much evidence in Horizon to point either way. If Cerberus had been working with the Reapers since ME2, their actions to destroy the Collectors seem odd, to say the least.

You still haven't explained why they were made Spectres after 2185, considering Shepard died in 2183. Oddly enough, Shepard returns in 2185. Considering Shepard's actions in ME1, I would have thought that Ashley/Kaidan (more so if they're your romantic interest) would have given him the benefit of the doubt.

[Clonedzero]

atheelogos wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

Someone please promote Shepard to a Staff Commander.

Or Captain, but yeah he needs to be bumped up.

eww no.

he'll always be commander shepard. thats the way its supposed to be. hwo weird would it be to start being called captain?

[00_Gundam]

OdanUrr wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

You do realise that Ash and Kaidan were right about Cerberus dont you? Cerberus ARE working with the Reapers in ME3. And Ash and Kaidan DO believe in the Reaper threat.

Why should Ashley/Kaidan apologise to Shepard? Shepard was the douche who couldn't explain him/herself to them on Horizon. All Shepard could prove was that the Collectors were working with the Reapers. We dont know what Ash/Kaidan were doing in the past two years, they could have been doing more secret work, behind the scenes ''we heard this was the next colony to get hit'' And they aren't doing anything you say? Sounds more like they're just not doing anything in the eye of the public to me.

Yes, I know that in ME3 Cerberus is working with the Reapers. According to Shepard it's because they were indoctrinated but it's just his opinion, they could be working for them out of their own free will because of some shady deal to keep humans around once the Reapers destroy everything else in the galaxy. Yes, Ashley/Kaidan are right about that, but they express it out of their hatred for Cerberus and their actions, they have no proof to back up their claims that we know of.

Yes, Shepard made a poor case of explaining just what he was doing with Cerberus but I blame it on poor scripting for that part. He should have been more vocal about what he saw on Freedom's Progress but, truth be told, he really doesn't have much evidence in Horizon to point either way. If Cerberus had been working with the Reapers since ME2, their actions to destroy the Collectors seem odd, to say the least.

You still haven't explained why they were made Spectres after 2185, considering Shepard died in 2183. Oddly enough, Shepard returns in 2185. Considering Shepard's actions in ME1, I would have thought that Ashley/Kaidan (more so if they're your romantic interest) would have given him the benefit of the doubt.

I have to agree that the Horizon explanation part was lacking you couldn't do anything to convince the VS.
Maybe surviving Horizon prompted the promotion to spectre status.
I think it was due to the heat of the moment the VS did not really think and was shocked to see Shepard alive and working for Cerberus no less.You do receive a letter afterwards where the VS seem to have cooled down

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Clonedzero wrote...
also please DONT promote shepard to captain. captain shepard just sounds weird. he'll always be commander shepard. the whole bit on talis loyalty mission where everyone was calling me captain i was really weirded out.

There's that old argument again.  Listen, Shepard deserves a promotion more than anybody (ME1, nuff said), and who ever heard of a Commander being in charge of a ship anyway?  He is the captain, no doubt about it, and his rank should reflect that.  As to the other argument, that Spectres being outside of the Alliance Navy, that doesn't make any sense.  Shepard was working for the Alliance at the beginning of ME2.  He never left.

[00_Gundam]

he wasn't working for the Alliance but for the galaxy's survival

[Oblivious]

00_Gundam wrote...
If Shepard saves the universe I expect Shepard to get Admiral rank and spectre status

Ash may be given Commander rank at the end at best I think

maybe a new rank for Shepard that still keeps the 'Commander' in it such as 'Supreme Commander'

I don't mean to be a jerk, but you seriously have no clue how the military works it seems:huh: I recommend reading up on the Canadian or United States military if you're really curious because these suggestions are absurd.

[Oblivious]

OdanUrr wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

You do realise that Ash and Kaidan were right about Cerberus dont you? Cerberus ARE working with the Reapers in ME3. And Ash and Kaidan DO believe in the Reaper threat.

Why should Ashley/Kaidan apologise to Shepard? Shepard was the douche who couldn't explain him/herself to them on Horizon. All Shepard could prove was that the Collectors were working with the Reapers. We dont know what Ash/Kaidan were doing in the past two years, they could have been doing more secret work, behind the scenes ''we heard this was the next colony to get hit'' And they aren't doing anything you say? Sounds more like they're just not doing anything in the eye of the public to me.

Yes, Shepard made a poor case of explaining just what he was doing with Cerberus but I blame it on poor scripting for that part. He should have been more vocal about what he saw on Freedom's Progress but, truth be told, he really doesn't have much evidence in Horizon to point either way. If Cerberus had been working with the Reapers since ME2, their actions to destroy the Collectors seem odd, to say the least.

So Shepard is excused from acting like a drunken douche ("Hey Ash, long time no see.") but Virmire Survivor is not? Where is the sense in that?

As for why they were promoted in 2185... tbh I dunno since technically we weren't even supposed to know they were Spectres until the game was released. Could be that politics held them back (remember how tough it was for Shepard to get recommended at the beginning of ME1), could be that they were training (Garrus talks about how his dad denied him the chance to train in some special Spectre course and Nihlus was supposed to be Shepard's instructor like Saren was to him), or it could merely be that they did not want to be a Spectre.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Ooh Goodie! Just like my thread from a month ago. Shepard definitely deserves a promotion, and by being promoted to Staff Commander, he remains the title "Commander Shepard", and is of equal paygrade with Kaidan. Everyone around him is getting promoted, why shouldn't Shepard?

[Massadonious1]

"Commander" and N7 has become as iconic as "Master Chief" and names and rank of that nature.

They can promote him/her after their story is done, assuming they live, or maybe even posthumously.

[Oblivious]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Ooh Goodie! Just like my thread from a month ago. Shepard definitely deserves a promotion, and by being promoted to Staff Commander, he remains the title "Commander Shepard", and is of equal paygrade with Kaidan. Everyone around him is getting promoted, why shouldn't Shepard?

Sure, promote him to Staff Commander at the beginning of the game and then to Captain after the games over. That way everybody wins... well except for those who want to be called Admiral Shepard but they have no say in this:bandit:

[Rawke]

Gabey5 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

It's fairly unusual for enlisted soldiers to gain an officer's commission, isn't it?

Officers usually start at Lieutenant straight out of military college,while enlisted men never get there.

its the future, you are going by modern military

It's not even that uncommon, at least when a country's at war. If you'd wait for all the cadets to get done with their studies, you'd run out of officers. In peace times a country can allow itself to have its cadets go to university and stuff, but when you need new officers fast, you'll want to take experienced NCOs. And since the Alliance has more than enough enemies and is (as of ME2) still fighting the Geth they probably won't wait for fresh inexperienced officers to get to the frontlines when they have experienced enlisted men available right where they need them.