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The word hate sure is thrown around freely in these parts.Elhanan wrote...
Hated if they do not seem to be listening; Hated when they seem to try. A rose by any other name still has thorns.....
M-G-D wrote...
Gotta love how they spin it like people who dislike DA2 are opposed to change and innovation. WE MADE A BOLD MOVE WITH DA2 BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST HATE PROGRESS! PR at its best.
Modifié par mrcrusty, 15 juin 2011 - 12:56 .
Bejos_ wrote...
M-G-D wrote...
Gotta love how they spin it like people who dislike DA2 are opposed to change and innovation. WE MADE A BOLD MOVE WITH DA2 BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST HATE PROGRESS! PR at its best.
I'm getting so sick of this company.
Like I said, most of my aversion to present-day Bioware has nothing to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of their games: It's all about how they treat their customers.
If they continue with this patronage and contempt, soon all I'll be doing is coming on here and asking people why they're still here.
Some people are already acting like abused wives. "Oh, this shiner? My husband just slipped. He was rushing for work, and his elbow somehow caught my face. Hee hee ... He really loves me. He does. Sometimes he just gets so wound up. It's his boss's fault."
"But, Ma'am, he tells me it's your fault. You're just not willing enough to follow in his trail-blazing."
"Oh, well. Yeah ... It is. I really have to change. He's right, you know. This shiner is quite nice, actually. It really makes the whites of my eyes pop."
dittoPersephone wrote...
Bejos_ wrote...
M-G-D wrote...
Gotta love how they spin it like people who dislike DA2 are opposed to change and innovation. WE MADE A BOLD MOVE WITH DA2 BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST HATE PROGRESS! PR at its best.
I'm getting so sick of this company.
Like I said, most of my aversion to present-day Bioware has nothing to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of their games: It's all about how they treat their customers.
If they continue with this patronage and contempt, soon all I'll be doing is coming on here and asking people why they're still here.
Some people are already acting like abused wives. "Oh, this shiner? My husband just slipped. He was rushing for work, and his elbow somehow caught my face. Hee hee ... He really loves me. He does. Sometimes he just gets so wound up. It's his boss's fault."
"But, Ma'am, he tells me it's your fault. You're just not willing enough to follow in his trail-blazing."
"Oh, well. Yeah ... It is. I really have to change. He's right, you know. This shiner is quite nice, actually. It really makes the whites of my eyes pop."
Hyperbole is not adequate for this.......
And as someone who takes fighting against domestic violence very seriously, I find this comparison to be digusting.
Persephone wrote...
Bejos_ wrote...
M-G-D wrote...
Gotta love how they spin it like people who dislike DA2 are opposed to change and innovation. WE MADE A BOLD MOVE WITH DA2 BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST HATE PROGRESS! PR at its best.
I'm getting so sick of this company.
Like I said, most of my aversion to present-day Bioware has nothing to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of their games: It's all about how they treat their customers.
If they continue with this patronage and contempt, soon all I'll be doing is coming on here and asking people why they're still here.
Some people are already acting like abused wives. "Oh, this shiner? My husband just slipped. He was rushing for work, and his elbow somehow caught my face. Hee hee ... He really loves me. He does. Sometimes he just gets so wound up. It's his boss's fault."
"But, Ma'am, he tells me it's your fault. You're just not willing enough to follow in his trail-blazing."
"Oh, well. Yeah ... It is. I really have to change. He's right, you know. This shiner is quite nice, actually. It really makes the whites of my eyes pop."
Hyperbole is not adequate for this.......
And as someone who takes fighting against domestic violence very seriously, I find this comparison to be digusting.
Blastback wrote...
dittoPersephone wrote...
Bejos_ wrote...
M-G-D wrote...
Gotta love how they spin it like people who dislike DA2 are opposed to change and innovation. WE MADE A BOLD MOVE WITH DA2 BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST HATE PROGRESS! PR at its best.
I'm getting so sick of this company.
Like I said, most of my aversion to present-day Bioware has nothing to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of their games: It's all about how they treat their customers.
If they continue with this patronage and contempt, soon all I'll be doing is coming on here and asking people why they're still here.
Some people are already acting like abused wives. "Oh, this shiner? My husband just slipped. He was rushing for work, and his elbow somehow caught my face. Hee hee ... He really loves me. He does. Sometimes he just gets so wound up. It's his boss's fault."
"But, Ma'am, he tells me it's your fault. You're just not willing enough to follow in his trail-blazing."
"Oh, well. Yeah ... It is. I really have to change. He's right, you know. This shiner is quite nice, actually. It really makes the whites of my eyes pop."
Hyperbole is not adequate for this.......
And as someone who takes fighting against domestic violence very seriously, I find this comparison to be digusting.
Bejos_ wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Bejos_ wrote...
M-G-D wrote...
Gotta love how they spin it like people who dislike DA2 are opposed to change and innovation. WE MADE A BOLD MOVE WITH DA2 BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST HATE PROGRESS! PR at its best.
I'm getting so sick of this company.
Like I said, most of my aversion to present-day Bioware has nothing to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of their games: It's all about how they treat their customers.
If they continue with this patronage and contempt, soon all I'll be doing is coming on here and asking people why they're still here.
Some people are already acting like abused wives. "Oh, this shiner? My husband just slipped. He was rushing for work, and his elbow somehow caught my face. Hee hee ... He really loves me. He does. Sometimes he just gets so wound up. It's his boss's fault."
"But, Ma'am, he tells me it's your fault. You're just not willing enough to follow in his trail-blazing."
"Oh, well. Yeah ... It is. I really have to change. He's right, you know. This shiner is quite nice, actually. It really makes the whites of my eyes pop."
Hyperbole is not adequate for this.......
And as someone who takes fighting against domestic violence very seriously, I find this comparison to be digusting.
I also find domestic violence very "serious". This is simply the most expedient, effective comparison to make. My comparing a company's treatment of its customers to a woman's treatment by her abusive husband should in no way be seen as meaning to trivialise spousal abuse.
I could have used any number of other comparisons, but this comparison most effectively gets my point across.
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PlumPaul82393 wrote...
Pretty much stating the obvious. Although I do believe they could get fans back if ya know they actually take longer than a year and six months to develop the game.
Persephone wrote...
Bejos_ wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Bejos_ wrote...
M-G-D wrote...
Gotta love how they spin it like people who dislike DA2 are opposed to change and innovation. WE MADE A BOLD MOVE WITH DA2 BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST HATE PROGRESS! PR at its best.
I'm getting so sick of this company.
Like I said, most of my aversion to present-day Bioware has nothing to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of their games: It's all about how they treat their customers.
If they continue with this patronage and contempt, soon all I'll be doing is coming on here and asking people why they're still here.
Some people are already acting like abused wives. "Oh, this shiner? My husband just slipped. He was rushing for work, and his elbow somehow caught my face. Hee hee ... He really loves me. He does. Sometimes he just gets so wound up. It's his boss's fault."
"But, Ma'am, he tells me it's your fault. You're just not willing enough to follow in his trail-blazing."
"Oh, well. Yeah ... It is. I really have to change. He's right, you know. This shiner is quite nice, actually. It really makes the whites of my eyes pop."
Hyperbole is not adequate for this.......
And as someone who takes fighting against domestic violence very seriously, I find this comparison to be digusting.
I also find domestic violence very "serious". This is simply the most expedient, effective comparison to make. My comparing a company's treatment of its customers to a woman's treatment by her abusive husband should in no way be seen as meaning to trivialise spousal abuse.
I could have used any number of other comparisons, but this comparison most effectively gets my point across.
What point would that be again? Except that supporting Bioware on their own forums (!) is something you cannot grasp?
Modifié par Bejos_, 15 juin 2011 - 01:38 .
dheer wrote...
The word hate sure is thrown around freely in these parts.
One things for sure, no matter the reaction of people there will be others who feel they need to whine about it.
Persephone wrote...
What point would that be again? Except that supporting Bioware on their own forums (!) is something you cannot grasp?
Modifié par mrcrusty, 15 juin 2011 - 01:38 .
mrcrusty wrote...
I prefer an analogy that's appropriate within the context of the point you're trying to make. Not one that is beyond overexaggerated intentionally for "shock value".
That's something demagogues and political commentators do.
Like I said, the analogy isn't going to do anyone any favors.
If I had been making the point, I would've used an analogy to fans of a sports team. Not spousal abuse.
mrcrusty wrote...
I prefer an analogy that's appropriate within the context of the point you're trying to make. Not one that is beyond overexaggerated intentionally for "shock value".
That's something demagogues and political commentators do.
Like I said, the analogy isn't going to do anyone any favors.
If I had been making the point, I would've used an analogy to fans of a sports team. Not spousal abuse.
Persephone wrote...
mrcrusty wrote...
I prefer an analogy that's appropriate within the context of the point you're trying to make. Not one that is beyond overexaggerated intentionally for "shock value".
That's something demagogues and political commentators do.
Like I said, the analogy isn't going to do anyone any favors.
If I had been making the point, I would've used an analogy to fans of a sports team. Not spousal abuse.
Exactly this.^
Modifié par Bejos_, 15 juin 2011 - 01:50 .
Bejos_ wrote...
"How did EA/Bioware fail their Customer Relations 101 course?
You don't attack your customer, mrcrusty. Attack the old product in order to
make the new one look shinier, sure. Don't attack your customer.
If you (the general you), as a customer, support that kind of action from a
company ... I just don't get it. "Abused housewife" is all that comes
to mind.
There is a bona fide trust between the customer and the
company that should be maintained. I have no respect for companies that
breach that relationship. EA/Bioware lies, extorts and propagandises,
and people keep going back to them. I see this in almost no other
industries. Can you see Coca-Cola or Pepsi treating their customer with
such blatant contempt? Did Coke ever say, "Our customers aren't ready for the innovation that is New Coca-Cola"?
It's really hard for me to respect people who are satisfied with or are apologetic in the face of such action.
EA/Bioware need to hire some new marketing/PR people, at the absolute least. And people who dislike Bioware's direction but are willing to put up with it
... Well, it's your life, but I'd suggest you re-examine it.
As for those people who enjoyed DA2. Great. I'm very happy for you. Really."
All companies manipulate their customer base. EA/Bioware does it in such a distasteful manner, though. They really have no respect for their fans.
Elhanan wrote...
Bejos_ wrote...
"How did EA/Bioware fail their Customer Relations 101 course?
You don't attack your customer, mrcrusty. Attack the old product in order to
make the new one look shinier, sure. Don't attack your customer.
If you (the general you), as a customer, support that kind of action from a
company ... I just don't get it. "Abused housewife" is all that comes
to mind.
There is a bona fide trust between the customer and the
company that should be maintained. I have no respect for companies that
breach that relationship. EA/Bioware lies, extorts and propagandises,
and people keep going back to them. I see this in almost no other
industries. Can you see Coca-Cola or Pepsi treating their customer with
such blatant contempt? Did Coke ever say, "Our customers aren't ready for the innovation that is New Coca-Cola"?
It's really hard for me to respect people who are satisfied with or are apologetic in the face of such action.
EA/Bioware need to hire some new marketing/PR people, at the absolute least. And people who dislike Bioware's direction but are willing to put up with it
... Well, it's your life, but I'd suggest you re-examine it.
As for those people who enjoyed DA2. Great. I'm very happy for you. Really."
All companies manipulate their customer base. EA/Bioware does it in such a distasteful manner, though. They really have no respect for their fans.
FYI - Kinda recall the part when New Coke was finished, Coca-Cola seemed to grab a huge part of the market for what they were already producing. Just saying....
And when one is looking for apologies, and improvements in marketing and PR, perhaps one should not build straw men as abused.
Bioware does respect their fans; tis the others like the Whiners and Haters they may not adore as much. IMO.
Modifié par Bejos_, 15 juin 2011 - 02:01 .
Alistairlover94 wrote...
PlumPaul82393 wrote...
Pretty much stating the obvious. Although I do believe they could get fans back if ya know they actually take longer than a year and six months to develop the game.
Fix'd
. But seriously take time in making a quality game that is actually finished and people will be happy.
Bejos_ wrote...
Okay, so comparing Bioware to Coca-Cola is pretty valid. They had a great base-- RPG enthusiasts-- and then went in a new direction.
When its base didn't like Coke, Coca-Cola went back to making old coke. It also branched out into other avenues.
Did Coca-Cola attack the people who didn't like New Coke, though?
I should say that where I live, Coke made a mistake at their manufacturing plant and produced toxic coke. Some people became seriously sick.
For the next five years, Coke sold their product at 33% [Edit: Actually, it was more accurately around 25%] of its sales price.
Do you see Bioware doing that? No? Oh, okay.
So Bioware really doesn't care at all about its customers.
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