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[AlbertoAquilani]

Not going to pay £69.99 for the Collector's Edition. Crazy. £50 at the most.

[sponge56]

Just how 'limited' is the collectors edition? If its still going to be floating around a few weeks before release ill get it then, but the amount there charging for it atm is ridiculous. Any chance if it isnt highly limited then it will drop in price closer to release?

[FDrage]

I'd assume 2 things:

a) at present the release date is sooo far off that it might just be a "placeholder" price. For the normal edition they (game.co.uk) quote an RRP. However they don't do the same for the "collectors edition", I'd assume that even for a special edition you would have something like an RRP

MW2 and MW:BO, in my opinion shows that they can charge higher prices as they know they can get away with it. The success of the ME-series and specifically ME2 probably entices the publisher / retailer to see with "How much" they can get away with in regards to charging for a game or a specific edition.

Also until I know more about what kind of  DRM they are going to be using exactly, I'm not sure I would want to pre-order at all.

Modifié par FDrage, 15 juin 2011 - 12:50 .

[Icinix]

I got told by a semi reliable source at best that retail PC CE in Australia will fall at 109.95

Of course - Being Australia and being a CE - any thing that has an eye, ear, nose or mouth would know it will probably fall around 100 -120. So its a moot point.

Point is, something is rotten in the state of retail / or distributors / or someone with a lot of power to dictate prices.

[Bogsnot1]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Cost of games, or of any good, is different based on regions and where you live. To use a made up example, a pile of snow would not sell well in Antartica, but it would sell well in the Sahara desert.

Prices are set by retailers in areas given the demand and scarcity of items and other regional economic variables. While this may seem unfair, it isn't. It is how regional business is done. The only thing you can do is (and I don't mean this in a flippant way) move elsewhere to where costs are cheaper.

If you think it is bad for video games, wait till you try to buy your own home.

At the current rates, its almost cheaper for me to buy a house in the US due to the depressed market, than it is for me to buy a game in Australia, due to ****-raping importers.
<_<

[lukex38]

omg stop complaing, try living in australia then complain about the prices

[Unato]

granted Australia doesn't even have CE edition to complain about yet!

[Bogsnot1]

Only place in the South Pacific I have been able to find anyone offering a CE on preorder is MightyApe, and they ship across the ditch. Havent placed an order yet, will wait a month or 2 to see if any Aussie suppliers pick up the slack.

[aries1001]

I think part of this difference, or maybe all of it, is that on amazon.com sales tax are not included while on co.uk (or other european) sites, sales tax are included. Sometimes in co.uk websites or on amazon.co.uk, the price also included free shipping as well.

As a sidenote I just bought Fallout: New Vegas for 150 DKK (danish crowns=20 Euros), a bargain in Denmark. I have seen other places that are selling F:NV for about the double of that price. As Chris said, you're free to look elsewhere for the game and buy it from them. And yes, just wait untill you're buying your own home, real estate agents' salaries can be -ahem- very high.

[Captain Crash]

aries1001 wrote...

As Chris said, you're free to look elsewhere for the game and buy it from them. And yes, just wait untill you're buying your own home, real estate agents' salaries can be -ahem- very high.

But we wont even be in that position in the first place as the CE prices have meant I have eatten into my down payment      


But I will reiterate.  Im not to bothered about about the price as long as the content included is worth it and justifiable.  So far the included content doesnt seem like it should be a 30% increase on the price of the ME2 CE.

[Gill Kaiser]

Irrespective of the number of pounds they cost, why is the PC version priced the same as the console versions? There is no excuse that makes a modicum of sense.

The standard PC version is cheaper than the console versions, as is the norm, so they've added extra cost onto the CE version for literally no justifiable reason.

[P3G4SU5]

Captain Crash wrote...

aries1001 wrote...

As Chris said, you're free to look elsewhere for the game and buy it from them. And yes, just wait untill you're buying your own home, real estate agents' salaries can be -ahem- very high.

But we wont even be in that position in the first place as the CE prices have meant I have eatten into my down payment      


But I will reiterate.  Im not to bothered about about the price as long as the content included is worth it and justifiable.  So far the included content doesnt seem like it should be a 30% increase on the price of the ME2 CE.

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Irrespective of the number of pounds
they cost, why is the PC version priced the same as the console
versions? There is no excuse that makes a modicum of sense.

The
standard PC version is cheaper than the console versions, as is the
norm, so they've added extra cost onto the CE version for literally no
justifiable reason.

These points, together with the fact the digital version is only marginally cheaper in comparison makes it blatantly obvious that they're taking advantage of demand in order to overcharge customers.

I can only hope that the price will come down closer to the release date...

Modifié par P3G4SU5, 16 juin 2011 - 09:29 .

[Jebel Krong]

AlbertoAquilani wrote...

Not going to pay £69.99 for the Collector's Edition. Crazy. £50 at the most.

normal editions are easily £40, are you telling me that a CE isn't worth more? gears 3 and deus ex have all had £60 CEs this year (and even more expensive "epic" editions). it's not like anyone's forcing you to buy it - if you want it and are a fan of the series, you will pay a bit more for the extras.

some people are really cheap... <_<

[Bad King]

Jebel Krong wrote...

AlbertoAquilani wrote...

Not going to pay £69.99 for the Collector's Edition. Crazy. £50 at the most.

normal editions are easily £40, are you telling me that a CE isn't worth more? gears 3 and deus ex have all had £60 CEs this year (and even more expensive "epic" editions). it's not like anyone's forcing you to buy it - if you want it and are a fan of the series, you will pay a bit more for the extras.

some people are really cheap... <_<

Of course CEs are worth more than regular editions. But when something is double the price for a few bits and bobs something is wrong. (Game PC CE: £70, Regular edition: £35).

Modifié par Bad King, 16 juin 2011 - 10:15 .

[Captain Crash]

Bad King wrote...

Of course CEs are worth more than regular editions. But when something is double the price for a few bits and bobs something is wrong. (Game PC CE: £70, Regular edition: £35).

Additionally as my post on the previous page stated  the ME2 CE was £55 where as its now £70 for ME3.    What new content is there?  A tiny litho, a slightly larger artbook.  An N7 patch and a xbox avatar.     Im not seeing where this extra money im spending is going to.


As P3G4SU5 said it simply looks like Bioware is cashing in on demand.  Which is fair enough, they are a business.  But a 30% increase in price on a few new tiny bits makes your loyal fans feeling a bit fustrated.  The CE isnt going to be cheap to begin with, but we still want some value for money.

[Jebel Krong]

don't forget our government has helpfully put all taxes up since ME2 was launched - games are relatively more expensive anyway by comparison with other regions.

again: no-one is forcing anyone to buy it - you are no less of a fan by buying the regular edition - if people are willing to spend more on a limited edition - where's the problem (as long as it's worth it)?

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 16 juin 2011 - 10:50 .

[Captain Crash]

Oh come off it.  VAT went up 2.5%  to 20% and that was the largest amount which would translate to the consumer which means its still only an extra £1.40 if the CE was still £55.    If costs were a major issue why hasnt every product out there gone up by 30%?


Anyway I dont want to go down the economics route.   As said the content is more or less the same as the ME2 CE with a few extras.  Many of us are just struggling to see where this extra £15 is going too.   Were willing to spend it because were fans.  Everyone wants value for money though and a 30% increase on the last edition with little new content just doesnt seem right.  


Anyway im repeating myself and I said my piece so will leave it at that.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 16 juin 2011 - 11:01 .

[Jebel Krong]

Captain Crash wrote...

Oh come off it.  VAT went up 2.5%  to 20% and that was the largest amount which would translate to the consumer which means its still only an extra £1.40 if the CE was still £55.    If costs were a major issue why hasnt every product out there gone up by 30%?


Anyway I dont want to go down the economics route.   As said the content is more or less the same as the ME2 CE with a few extras.  Many of us are just struggling to see where this extra £15 is going too.   Were willing to spend it because were fans.  Everyone wants value for money though and a 30% increase on the last edition with little new content just doesnt seem right.  


Anyway im repeating myself and I said my piece so will leave it at that.

import taxes, higher cost of fuel (proportionally as well), strength of pound - i currently work in imports/exports so i know exactly how expensive we are and competitively disadvantaged as a result. it's not one thing - everything adds up over a lot more areas than you think: example - if fuel goes up by lets say 2%, then every transport link in the chain goes up as well by at least the same margin, if you have 5 transport links, your fuel costs have gone up 10% before anything else (that's a simplification but basically how it works, though you can offset or work around some of these things).

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 16 juin 2011 - 11:31 .

[whitey4444]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Cost of games, or of any good, is different based on regions and where you live. To use a made up example, a pile of snow would not sell well in Antartica, but it would sell well in the Sahara desert.

Prices are set by retailers in areas given the demand and scarcity of items and other regional economic variables. While this may seem unfair, it isn't. It is how regional business is done. The only thing you can do is (and I don't mean this in a flippant way) move elsewhere to where costs are cheaper.

If you think it is bad for video games, wait till you try to buy your own home.

As somebody looking to buy their first home next year I understand what you mean, but houses aren't a good manufactured and built entirely in one location and exported en masse to the rest of the world. The price will be determined only by the local market, I can't buy a house in California to live in if I work in Sydney.

The problem lies in the deals the publisher makes with local distributors, I say local they are actually companies owned by publishers themselves (Namco, ALL). The wholesale price of new games to Australian retailers is often $15-$30 higher than the RETAIL price in the USA. Now if I was a retailer I'd be trying to buy them from a US distributor and pay the tax/shipping myself, which would cost less than this price difference. However, the contracts the distributor and publisher have with the retailers prohibit them from accessing the cheaper option (region locking as well). Less than half of this price difference can be attributed to the tax and shipping in our case.

The retailer has little say in the price here, unless they want to sell at a loss, it is the distributor who does. And when the dollar exchange rate is good, as it has been for 2 years now (and 7 out of the last 8), then the distributor, and potentially the publisher are raking it in. And I could accept this, if the distributors didn't insist on putting artificial barriers up, ones the publishers seem only too happy to help with. Barriers such as console region locking, wholesale prices permanently linked to what the US$ was worth at the lowest possible exchange rate, locking Australians out of US digital download stores and forcing higher local prices for the same digital data where local taxes are not paid. All of these limit the ability of consumers and retailers here to access global competition - because the distributors benefit from the artificially higher prices due to an improved exchange rate.

It's one of the reasons I stick with the PC though, is that I can still be a legal consumer but pay a fair global price. 

Here, this explains a lot too
http://www.kotaku.co...s-cost-so-much/

[P3G4SU5]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

Oh come off it.  VAT went up 2.5%  to 20% and that was the largest amount which would translate to the consumer which means its still only an extra £1.40 if the CE was still £55.    If costs were a major issue why hasnt every product out there gone up by 30%?


Anyway I dont want to go down the economics route.   As said the content is more or less the same as the ME2 CE with a few extras.  Many of us are just struggling to see where this extra £15 is going too.   Were willing to spend it because were fans.  Everyone wants value for money though and a 30% increase on the last edition with little new content just doesnt seem right.  


Anyway im repeating myself and I said my piece so will leave it at that.

import taxes, higher cost of fuel (proportionally as well), strength of pound - i currently work in imports/exports so i know exactly how expensive we are and competitively disadvantaged as a result. it's not one thing - everything adds up over a lot more areas than you think: example - if fuel goes up by lets say 2%, then every transport link in the chain goes up as well by at least the same margin, if you have 5 transport links, your fuel costs have gone up 10% before anything else (that's a simplification but basically how it works, though you can offset or work around some of these things).

This may be so, however it doesn't ring true because it doesn't address what people are saying about the digital version being so expensive. Fuel surcharges etc. do not apply to it.

Modifié par P3G4SU5, 16 juin 2011 - 05:36 .

[Jebel Krong]

P3G4SU5 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

Oh come off it.  VAT went up 2.5%  to 20% and that was the largest amount which would translate to the consumer which means its still only an extra £1.40 if the CE was still £55.    If costs were a major issue why hasnt every product out there gone up by 30%?


Anyway I dont want to go down the economics route.   As said the content is more or less the same as the ME2 CE with a few extras.  Many of us are just struggling to see where this extra £15 is going too.   Were willing to spend it because were fans.  Everyone wants value for money though and a 30% increase on the last edition with little new content just doesnt seem right.  


Anyway im repeating myself and I said my piece so will leave it at that.

import taxes, higher cost of fuel (proportionally as well), strength of pound - i currently work in imports/exports so i know exactly how expensive we are and competitively disadvantaged as a result. it's not one thing - everything adds up over a lot more areas than you think: example - if fuel goes up by lets say 2%, then every transport link in the chain goes up as well by at least the same margin, if you have 5 transport links, your fuel costs have gone up 10% before anything else (that's a simplification but basically how it works, though you can offset or work around some of these things).

This may be so, however it doesn't ring true because it doesn't address what people are saying about the digital version being so expensive. Fuel surcharges etc. do not apply to it.

digital no - i'd certainly agree with that. but anyone that buys a digitial copy of anything from anyone deserves exactly what they get anyway...

[chibievil]

well i am getting for the 360 and it will cost me £69.99 and i don't mind i can afford it, and with the stuff you get with it I think it is worth it. I know others think it won't but i know i will enjoy all the bits and pieces and keep it safe on my shelf. This will be the first Collectors edition for mass effect series i buy

[Eurhetemec]

£69.99 is insulting. Regional pricing is no excuse. The retailers don't just spontaneously and magically decide they're all going to price it this way, they're given a guide-price/RRP by EA/Bioware (apparently Bioware, if they work like other EA studios). If the guide-price/RRP was £60, we could expect to see retailers pricing the game at £57-60. If the guide-price/RRP was 65, we would expect to see prices in the 62-65 range (Amazon.co.uk likely with the lowest).

However it's clear that EA/Bioware have done a deal with Game and recommended an extremely high price. To add insult to insult, the PC price is the same as the console price.

Now, with other games, if they cost $80 in the US, we can expect them to cost £50-60. That makes sense given the variables involved. Adding an extra £10 on top of that, though? Really insulting. It's just disrespectful.

I also personally think Chris' crack about "when you buy a house..." is very condescending. I'm pretty sure a large number of posters on this forum are house-owners, so implying that we, as a whole, don't, seems really akin to implying that we're all teens and twenty-somethings and unfamiliar with the housing market. I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

It's also an illogical comparison, as houses are property, and fixed in location, which leads to their price variation, whereas this is an object, and portable, and whilst shipping and VAT could drive the price up from the expected £50 to £60, another £10 is explainable only by greed.

Modifié par Eurhetemec, 16 juin 2011 - 09:12 .

[adm123]

ME2 CE = £39.99 (PC)
ME3 CE = £69.99 (PC)

The ME3 CE seems a very similar product to ME2 CE, so what justifies an almost doubling in price ? Very little, other than pure profiteering by Game!

And no, we can't go somewhere else to buy it, if it's a Game exclusive as before. I know Game always charge way over the top, for gullible parents who don't know things are half the price on Amazon or Play.com, but this is really taking the p$$. I wouldn't mind the high price if there was some real value in the CE extras, but it's just not there. Amazon £27.99 standard edition is looking very appealing.

I guess Game are banking that enough people with more money than sense will still plump for the CE. Will I be one of them ? The lure of CE is strong ... but not that strong.

[mnomaha]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

True Zarken wrote...

Icinix wrote...
Pfft.

Try shopping in Australia.

This. Just look at Ebgames.com.au and then complain.

This.
Before buying games in Australia, it is highly recommended you lube up. <_<

And yet, still cheaper than across the pond. I have to choose between Ebgames and MightyApe. Good thing we have lots of lube to go with our sheeps.