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[Obsydian]

so, you come on here and insult people for no reason? if that is what they choose to do, then why does it affect you? let them go about their business and take your complaints elsewhere.

thats like saying 'why do you read books?'' or 'why do you draw fanart?" its someone elses perogative and its not hurting you. so why come and hurt other people just cause its not your cup of tea?

leave us "silly people" be. you dont know us, don't insult us without cause.

[MissMaster]

Valentia X wrote...

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lol, a lot of the romance threads get updated every hour or so. The Harry Potter ones, in their heyday, a) had a lot more dedicated forums, threads, webpages, etc and brought fandom catfighting to unholy heights. Here, sometimes people pick on the Talimancers or the Jack vs Miranda fans disagree. This is nothing, NOTHING, compared to the dickery that went down between the Harry/Hermione and the Ron/Hermione fans. 

Don't say it likes it's over!

Edit: Lolz that had nothing to do with Mass Effect

[Siansonea]

Fictional characters have elicited emotional resonance since we danced naked around campfires in our primordial past. This is nothing new. Real people can be quite tiresome, but fictional people are always interesting. And when you tire of one, there's always a new one to catch your interest.

And oftentimes real people are actually fictional. We often interact more with our idea of someone, rather than the actual person, and that idea is often pure fiction with no relation to who that person actually is.

[Alienmorph]

The problems is that ME allows you to romance character in game, making part of the gaming experience a feature that often is exclusively fanfictional. This generate a terrible combination of haters bashing and fanbases rivalry. Result? No matter who you pick up as Love Interest, there will be always a ton of dumb people treating you as a creepy and pathetic fanboy/girl because you choose the "wrong" character to romance. Also, considered that many of the LIs are even not human, there's also a particularry phanatic wing of haters always ready to accuse you of bestiality and things like that if you don't date an human (or an asari, because they're universally compatible) LI.

Just check the threads and posts done since the ME3 section is open. People whining all over the place that in THEIR game this or that character can't be a LI, or deserves to die, or is a w***e because she accepted to cheat with a Shepard already bounded with someone else in ME1, like THEIR games=the only valid way to play.

Enjoy the romances and the games for what they are, and let those idiots barking. In the end, no matter what the haters says, they'll still be much more pathetic and negatively addicted to what they do than any fan of a romanceable charater.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 14 juin 2011 - 04:48 .

[cold52]

trust me op...we havent even seen a fraction of what it could be...just be glad its as tame as it is...heres a video to show an example of just how bad it can really get...a guy marrying a video-game character >_>;;;

[TaHol100]

You know...I did not understand this LI-thing at all before and I remember in my first ME1 playthrough I thought it is unbelievebly childish to put something like that in games...
...and then I met Zevran and I understood it all. I still don't have much interest in talking about them, but I do enjoy being romantic. It is same with romantic movies and silly romantic books, sometimes I just need them to cheer me up. And I do believe that LI's cheer people up. Having this game-romance with pixels is funny, and makes you smile. And it gives your character more personality. This has nothing to do with having a real significant person in your life, at least when it comes to women. Men...I don't know, but I don't think it is that different for them.

[Anny78]

FERMi27 wrote...

I don't get it. Are the statistics indeed so bad? Am I wrong when I presume that  threads like "%NPC_NAME% love/romance/appreciation/fans" are born within solitary hearts? But I thought this game's fanbase doesnt consist only of young people. Well, I suppose I'm wrong anyway. This game is too deep in order to be favoured by only a strict age category. And that renders a very pessimistic chart. Huge numbers of people, adult people, have replaced their real-life partner with a fictional one. What a mess!
I'm sorry if I hurt anyones feelings, but I find no other explanation to such a wide, unhealthy I'd even say, interest in pixeled characters. I'm not a newbie to the forums, and I've been through a lot of them, but Mass Effect is the first game on my memory to trigger this kind of human enthusiasm in such a ridiculous scales. And I'm not even sure if that's a good thing or a bad one. On the one hand, the developers deserve respect for creating a game that can get that deep. But on the other, people forget about real life, and become obsessed with fictional characters.
I'd like to hear what some of "indoctrinated" people think about their disease themselves.

Maybe you should ask people, who seem to you to take their "pixel-affection" too far, directly (via PM) and not in general. *shrugs* I personally am a fan who posted a lot in the Fenris and Joker threads, joined their fan groups and created a DA account to share pics. Why? I realized it is common on BSN forums to share your interests with other gamers and make friends this way (better option than e.g. FB to me anyway). I don't play the games because of combat/shooting/achievements but because of the story and the romances are a very nice add to it which I enjoy. Playing a BW game is a way to relax, to forget the day-to-day troubles for a while, not different from reading a book or watchig a movie. Do I forget my RL? Yes, for a few miutes while in the middle of a desperate fight or watching a breath-taking cutscene, my kids sleeping, my husband sitting next to me playing his own games or watching a movie starring e. g. Angelina Jolie - sometimes we watch a movie together, sometimes we play a game together and sometimes we "play our own games". Sounds that unhealthy to you?
Yes, I am a squeeing fangirl on the forums and yet I am a loving and caring mother and wife. As for the teenage fans, I think it is not different from admiring a movie star/character a singer/band whoever - writing FF, drawing pics, buying posters and T-shirts, daydreaming (including sexual fantasies, wedding, babies as well as being a star/multimillonaire/hero...) it's a part of growing up. Imho a very very small part of gamers/fans are truly taking their affection/addiction/obsession too far and they wouln'd admit it.

[Ryzaki]

Because I'm bored and have nothing else to talk about online.

[Xeranx]

FERMi27 wrote...
Oh-k, I suspected it was only a matter of time. But it's been like 4 minutes, and I am already starting to see affected people.
You've just proved my words regarding a large scale of indoctrinated people. And, I didn't mean to offend anyone, I just wanted to approach this topic as gently as possible. Still, you're the only person so far that makes me feel like I've failed in this.

Actually you're wrong.  You don't know what my initial reaction was to your post.  You're, again, assuming yourself correct.  I guess you had some kind of evidence other than text which is hard to interpret, correct?

You gave a false statements, judgements and editorialized at the same time, but think you approached this topic gently?  Again you're wrong.  The only reason I can assume that you feel that I made you feel you failed in how you approached your topic is that you know that the way you approached the topic was bad to begin with.  Statements such as: "But I thought this game's fanbase doesn't consist only of young people" as well as "I'd like to hear what some of "indoctrinated" people think about their disease themselves" illustrates how you've painted everyone with a large brush as immature or incapable of controlling themselves.  It's in the words you use.

If you wanted to approach the topic gently it could have gone more like:

As the title says, I don't understand how the various fanbases came about and grew to the levels that they are.  What is it about these characters that has caused fandoms to revolve solely around them rather than people just showing that they're fans of the game?

Modifié par Xeranx, 14 juin 2011 - 05:44 .

[FERMi27]

I am sorry, maybe I can't vocalize my thoughts correctly due to the fact that english is not my native language.

[Ginen]

Well, maybe it's because since Baldur's Gate 2, Bioware has made in-game romances part of the appeal of their games. I remember David Gaider talking about the Anomen/Jaheira/Aerie/Viconia romances a long while ago, saying that the romances were one of the hardest things they programmed into the game.

Even though they were optional, the feedback on the romances was huge--with people liking it and not liking it and pretty much not holding back. I remember all the complaints that these 4 four characters would interrupt you in the middle of battle just to hit on you. It actually chased my brother away from playing BG2, because Aerie wouldn't leave him alone. More often, people who played the romances actually ended up liking these characters more.

I think because of this, Bioware has kept the romances and every time, it's a little different. If you read his stuff, Chris Crawford has often said interactive storytelling is about people, not things. What is more indicative of people than their relationships amongst one another?

[jamesp81]

It's an artifact of this being an immersive RPG.

Most players like to play an RPG with a mindset of "what would I do?"  Choosing an LI is a big part of how people define their own RPed character in these kinds of games.

Oh yeah, and I'm extremely loney :happy:

[ObserverStatus]

[ladyvader]

GreatPhail wrote...

Welcome to Bioware Social Network. No romancers allowed!

Just kidding, could you imagine?

In Udina's voice at the Council in ME1, "That is outragous."  

For me, it adds to the story.  Going to a different place outside of the real world can be a great stress reliever. 

I have been married for almost nine years(In Aug) both my husband and I enjoy playing RPGs.  We got DA:O for Christmas and I had LI in my games, but he did not.  I enjoy playing my games with romances where he does not.  It does not hurt our relastionship one bit.  

[Eternal Dust]

Because it's half the fun!

[Shepard Lives]

I don't see how this is any more unhealthy than having a "crush" on, say, an actor or actress. Can't say any of the ME characters has stolen my heart, but I'm certainly not going to waltz into character threads to tell people that they're sick and twisted.

Live and let live, I say. At least as long as discussion remains civil.

[S.A.K]

FERMi27 you must be new to the internet! lol

[CuseGirl]

some of the 'fanart' (and I use the term loosely) that someone showed me regarding fans of the boyband Backstreet Boys is a total mindf--k in ways this forum could never hope to match.

Trust me, until someone here starts talking about how they're married to Liara on the astral plane, we've got nothing to worry about.

have you seen those photos of Star Wars themed weddings? We're not even close....

[ladyvader]

CuseGirl wrote...

some of the 'fanart' (and I use the term loosely) that someone showed me regarding fans of the boyband Backstreet Boys is a total mindf--k in ways this forum could never hope to match.

Trust me, until someone here starts talking about how they're married to Liara on the astral plane, we've got nothing to worry about.

have you seen those photos of Star Wars themed weddings? We're not even close....

In Star Wars there were wedding if you read the books.  Han and Leia get married, Luke and Mara Jade get married.  Not sure about any other wedding set in the Star Wars EU. 

[CuseGirl]

In Star Wars there were wedding if you read the books.  Han and Leia get married, Luke and Mara Jade get married.  Not sure about any other wedding set in the Star Wars EU. 

I'm just saying, people getting dressed up like Darth Vader or Leia/Luke/Han at their WEDDING is far more eccentric than really liking Miranda Lawson and putting a little ode to her in ur forum signature.

[ladyvader]

CuseGirl wrote...

In Star Wars there were wedding if you read the books.  Han and Leia get married, Luke and Mara Jade get married.  Not sure about any other wedding set in the Star Wars EU. 

I'm just saying, people getting dressed up like Darth Vader or Leia/Luke/Han at their WEDDING is far more eccentric than really liking Miranda Lawson and putting a little ode to her in ur forum signature.

I misunderstood then.  When I got married to my husband, I was wearing my authentic Packers jersey.  But then we got married at the courthouse.  I did wear a nice Packers bow tie too.   And yes, I am weird.  :innocent:

[rudenotginger]

Valentia X wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

I'm happy with your examples folks, but none of these games was able to generate such a variety of page-dense threads in a limited amount of time. I am still convinced that ME is unchallenged regarding this theme.

lol, a lot of the romance threads get updated every hour or so. The Harry Potter ones, in their heyday, a) had a lot more dedicated forums, threads, webpages, etc and brought fandom catfighting to unholy heights. Here, sometimes people pick on the Talimancers or the Jack vs Miranda fans disagree. This is nothing, NOTHING, compared to the dickery that went down between the Harry/Hermione and the Ron/Hermione fans. 

Yeah, I used to be in the HP fandom back in the day, and I agree with you... What's going on here is NOTHING compared to what happened then. Remember when HP6 came out and JKR had an interview with two superfans/bloggers and they did the mistake of calling the H/Hers delusional? Seriously, all hell broke loose. It was pretty epic.

I'm a Kaidan fan myself and I've been lurking for a while in multiple fan-threads, and I have seen, to be honest, a few fans who have reached the level of obsession that I'd seen some HP fans reach. I didn't understand then why some people wouldn't buy the books if their favourite ship wasn't in it; similarly, people here saying they won't buy ME3 if their favourite LI isn't a squadmate makes me scratch my head a bit.

I have to say, OP, stating that because we care about a virtual caracter we neglect our RL relationship is pretty extreme. I can't say in never happens, but for my part, ME is a lot further down the list of my priorities than my husband and my baby boy.

[CuseGirl]

I misunderstood then.  When I got married to my husband, I was wearing my authentic Packers jersey.  But then we got married at the courthouse.  I did wear a nice Packers bow tie too.   And yes, I am weird.  :innocent:

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