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CuseGirl wrote...

I misunderstood then.  When I got married to my husband, I was wearing my authentic Packers jersey.  But then we got married at the courthouse.  I did wear a nice Packers bow tie too.   And yes, I am weird.  :innocent:


What player? B)

It has my last name on it and 67 for the year I was born.  I personalized it.  Even though I'm married, I didn't take my husband's last name nor did that hyphen thing either.  My last name is unique and I wanted to keep it.  He didn't mind.  It confuses the heck out of people though.  :devil: Which is icing on the cake.  :bandit:

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Oh come on, it's not hurting anyone, just let people enjoy the universe they paid to see, they have fun with it, who are you to oppose that?

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I say you can either go with it or stop coming to these forums because you will be disappointed most of the time. Yes, some ppl do take their cherishing very far and are vocal about it. But many just enjoy discussions about characters and story outcomes. Others enjoy the opportunity for fanart and fanfics because they are inspired by the ME univers or a certain character's morales and personality.

Have you considered that by believing most posters cant make the diffrence between real life relations and fictional preferances, you might be the one having a hard time understanding how those fictional subjects can often become just a pretext to chat with ppl, like on forums about sports or music.

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People tend to exaggerate on the interwebs. I doubt most are that serious about LIs that they see them as a girlfriend/boyfriend. Otherwise normal people can seemingly become Drama Queens over the smallest of things. This is what happens when you have fans. And you can bet just about everyone who comes here has some sort of thing that they will over-react to. Be it characters, multiplayer, RPG, etc.

But on the other hand there just are some very odd people out there. Some of the fandom here has at times been borderline psychotic to be sure. Strange thing is Bioware seems to encourage it. 
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if you like the story of a game/movie/book then your going to like a charecter of a game/movie/book beacuse charecters are a big part of what makes the story likeable.if you dont like/love or care about any of the charecters then the creators have likely failed in their job to imerse you in the world they have created.

some of us just choose to love/like or care about our charecters a little more than others.

its escape,fantasy and fun.real life can be boring sometimes....even with a real flesh and blood partner.

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I love sharing these games with my hubby =) we discuss different story plots and such. It's fun. I have promised him that my next Hawke will romance Izzy because he said that it was a very sweet romance-arc. I really like having the LI:s. For me it makes it easier for me to develop a different char for each Shepard since I always play pretty much full paragon. And then I have something new to see with that Shep that I haven't seen before. Since I haven't romanced Garrus or Thane yet I still haven't seen any of their romance-scenes. For me that's an extra bonus, to be on my 3:rd Shepard and still having new things to see. I'm more of a story-player than action-player so for me that is important =)

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ladyvader wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

I misunderstood then.  When I got married to my husband, I was wearing my authentic Packers jersey.  But then we got married at the courthouse.  I did wear a nice Packers bow tie too.   And yes, I am weird.  :innocent:


What player? B)

It has my last name on it and 67 for the year I was born.  I personalized it.  Even though I'm married, I didn't take my husband's last name nor did that hyphen thing either.  My last name is unique and I wanted to keep it.  He didn't mind.  It confuses the heck out of people though.  :devil: Which is icing on the cake.  :bandit:


More women are keepin their maiden names these days. I know one couple that took her name because he had grown to love her family (he came from an abusive home).   

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lol this is a very stupid question to ask and not trying to upset people that agree with it but this is like asking do you like books or sports or games or movies or anime and such. yes each person has their own views that are diffrent then anothers but do you have to say things against us just becuse we like the game and like to talk about diffrent parts or say im against the shooter or Rpg part, that would upset many people and make them think they are stupid. just dot take this to far.

im not reading this thread again so goodbye. (just awnsered and did not upset me just iritates me like people think anime is for babys when its an art and ment for young adult and some teen age group)

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To be perfectly honest i don't know what your trying to convey with this post. Love interests in video games are just another way of grabbing the playing and bringing them in and given them a more personal experience. Love interests in games will never replace real partners, people know this. However, there is absolutely nothing wrong with still getting enthralled by the story and experience these games provide.

And in addition, there are very few men who can say they don't have fantasies about other women. Pixelated or not. And on that note of "pixelated characters" Video games are art, and art can be sexy, and has been sexy since the times of ancient Greece, possibly sooner.

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I'd like to forward the idea that it has to do with game immersion and strong emotional ties to the story of a particular character, along with the side effect of all RPG games "the alternative life".

First what is this alternative life?  it's something you see in general on the internet every day, Hordes of people leading different lives in many cases saying things they wouldn't in "real life"(such a horrible term for offline activity) and doing many things they wouldn't. Ranging from everything from terribly abusive and agressive behaviors like cyber "bullying" to cyber romances(ones that just stay online and are typically secret)  The type of RPG you see where your "2nd life" (no pun intended) is generally thought to take over and make a drooling husk out of you is the WoW style MMO which as i can atest does not make you a dribbling husk offline (at least in my case) Now i bring this up and define it because it is very important in looking at this. Why? because this is an immensely important part of game immersion for the player to feel like they are actually in the world they are playing and they are the main character. In BW games story is heavy and very important it's like reading a good book or a movie that keeps you on the edge of your seat and has you constantly trying to tell the characters what not to do so they don't die in the movie or book. One element of a good story, in alot of cases not all or most just alot, is well fleshed out romance a deep emotional tie the main character has to another character in the book.

This brings on all those threads for or against various NPCs Because the NPCs in question tend to embody desires, dreams, aspects that the main character(the immersed player, ultimately you) has(in the case of dreams and desires) or wants,needs, and admires(in the case of aspects). When  viewed this way it's easy to see how players end up favoring and in some cases having strong emotions over various NPCs, and presents no real problem nor does it indicate anything lacking on the player(s)' side of things. for example say the married man love his wife yet still really likes tali as a romance option So long as it doesn't cross the line of exceptionally weird(i.e making wife dress like tali for some reason) there is no problem as long as when it comes to the Real world he is still mentally stable enough to seperate Story Romance from Life Love (which i'm certain most people do) If this division of fake and real isn't made then Honestly some mental problems exist and have existed for some time and BW should include the same warnings as GTA does on it's ESRB label(look at it for 5 minutes you'll see what i'm talkin about).

Now what you have to remember is when people post on here they are typically posting as fans of the series and subsequently their favorite characters. Supporting a favored characters return, for whatever reason (in the BSN case mostly romance) is a normal occurence It's like expecting mario luigi and princess peach (a good character equivelant for this would be Shepard, Garrus, and Tali respectively) to come back in the next mario game which we know they will or Link and Zelda to obviosly be present in the Skyward sword Who wants to play a mario game as that other random plumber down the street from mario named quazi modo and have his love interest be idk....J.Lo and his brother be terry Mc. Ginus? No one. Absolutely no one wants to play that game(one guy in the background as he is reading this is thinking.."I do" well to him i say "stfu you don't matter"). Why? The characters are too random. What makes them random you ask? The fact that the player has no emotional ties to them, No reason to feel "in tune" with them. This not only makes them random but unfamiliar.(yes i'm  implying that the only thing that makes a character random in a video game is unfamiliarity.)

Now i'm gonna use tali and garrus as an example. In ME 1 for some reason many of us found tali adorable, i can't say i understand why because i didn't find Tali in ME 1 adorable until after i played ME2, had they rplaced tali completely in ME 2 people probably on the whole wouldn't have cared much because she didn't develop alot in ME 1, unlike Garrus who we felt, typically, changed his outlook on life dependent on shepards lessons this gave us a personal tie into garrus. personally when playing ME i feel like Garrus is my best bud. My real best bud is named james and he lives about 2 miles north of me and i visited him at least 4 times amonth to play games and eat pizza and discuss politics. Garrus sorta reminds me of him in the sense they're both Cops (or will be once james gets through the academy) and that's about it. aside from that storywise garrus to me seems like sheps protoge if not best friend. And that's how i play the game, Though i really wish that ME 2 garrus had more dialogue. apparently garrus made enough of an impact on the girls in this community to warrant a romance, which is a bit more understandable and less out of the blue than tali (who's, I think, perceived innocence, shyness, and naivity  ultimately won her the fancy of many guys  this was played on alot in ME 2 for the rommance) .

Now to finnish leading back into the concept of Familiarity in the video game. As nintendo said, at least to some extent, at this years E3 "people want to play the familiar in new ways" is a very true statement. They don't want a whole new cast of characters and ect... They want the ones from number 1 played out in new yet familiar ways that makes sense with their ideas. Part of ME 2s poor reception was there was soo much speculation as to what could of been going on. Ultimately very few of those ideas panned out leaving forumites who embraced the concepts concieved here to feel alienated by bioware like bioware had failed them because the familiar ideas they went over in their heads werent the ones they encountered in ME 2. (that is not to say ME 2 didn't have some major plot holes/problems and in some cases total collapse of story/lore Project overlord vs geth don't communicate verbally) In the end fans want to see familiar characters who they felt tied to return so that they can get the same yet a slightly different experience in the storyline. in a weird twist.

So in conclusion 1)most of the gruops/people that are proponets of an "**NPC_NAME**love" thread are just fans who emotionally meshed well with the characters given the story set up and were successfully immersed into the "2nd life"(still no pun intended) of Mass Effect.  
2)Most people who participate in these threads are just people who want the familiar presence to return or overall felt the character was well done and really liked the character (sorta like how we post on this forums our ideas about the game suggestions plot ideas etc... because we like the game, i'm fairly certain if asked most forumites here would say they loved or liked the games so far.)
3) the only time a mental problem might exist is if someone in their private time decided to break the boundry of fiction and create a real insert *sexual/emotional icon here* and even then i'm not so sure that denotes a mental problem than more of some weird sexual fantasy and who doesn't have a sexual fantasy of some kind.
4) It's normal for fans to act this way.

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BECAUSE WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE TO LOVE!!!!

NOW LEAVE US ALONE!!!!!

Ahahaha, Good Luck and Stay Safe B)

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FERMi27 wrote...

I am sorry, maybe I can't vocalize my thoughts correctly due to the fact that english is not my native language.


I wouldn't worry about it too much then, they're not mad at you anyway just the way you phrased things.

As for me, I'm a herto guy but I'm all about the Garrus love with my female Shepard (I played a male Shepard at first, but I tried the female out and I liked her 'character' better, good voice). I just really like Garrus as a character, and I've always liked aliens in my science fiction. I guess because I deal with humans all the time in my real life. Something not human is more interesting and exciting because of the fact it's different from what you know.

And if I obsessed over Garrus to the point of letting it affect my real life, then that would be an issue. However, that's the same issue with anything. Taking something to extremes is never a good move, even if it's something healthy like working out. Moderation in all things and all that.

I guess it's the same as really liking a character in a book (Harry Dresden anyone?) or a movie. Just because it's a video game doesn't make it different.

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Bluko wrote...

People tend to exaggerate on the interwebs. I doubt most are that serious about LIs that they see them as a girlfriend/boyfriend. Otherwise normal people can seemingly become Drama Queens over the smallest of things. This is what happens when you have fans. And you can bet just about everyone who comes here has some sort of thing that they will over-react to. Be it characters, multiplayer, RPG, etc.

But on the other hand there just are some very odd people out there. Some of the fandom here has at times been borderline psychotic to be sure. Strange thing is Bioware seems to encourage it. 
:?


I'm more worried about BioWare actually listening to these people eventually. Judging from all the *Enter random NPC* for LI in ME3 threads, a lot of people are more interested in turning ME3 into a witcher game dating simulator, than an actual mass effect game. Here's to hoping BW keeps their heads cool and doesn't take too much advice from the fans.

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tbh i think the only NPC's that have a shot of turning into LI's are gianna and shiala.have a strong feeling shiala will be a squadmate.

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darth_lopez wrote...

I'd like to forward the idea that it has to do with game immersion and strong emotional ties to the story of a particular character, along with the side effect of all RPG games "the alternative life".

First what is this alternative life?  it's something you see in general on the internet every day, Hordes of people leading different lives in many cases saying things they wouldn't in "real life"(such a horrible term for offline activity) and doing many things they wouldn't. Ranging from everything from terribly abusive and agressive behaviors like cyber "bullying" to cyber romances(ones that just stay online and are typically secret)  The type of RPG you see where your "2nd life" (no pun intended) is generally thought to take over and make a drooling husk out of you is the WoW style MMO which as i can atest does not make you a dribbling husk offline (at least in my case) Now i bring this up and define it because it is very important in looking at this. Why? because this is an immensely important part of game immersion for the player to feel like they are actually in the world they are playing and they are the main character. In BW games story is heavy and very important it's like reading a good book or a movie that keeps you on the edge of your seat and has you constantly trying to tell the characters what not to do so they don't die in the movie or book. One element of a good story, in alot of cases not all or most just alot, is well fleshed out romance a deep emotional tie the main character has to another character in the book.

This brings on all those threads for or against various NPCs Because the NPCs in question tend to embody desires, dreams, aspects that the main character(the immersed player, ultimately you) has(in the case of dreams and desires) or wants,needs, and admires(in the case of aspects). When  viewed this way it's easy to see how players end up favoring and in some cases having strong emotions over various NPCs, and presents no real problem nor does it indicate anything lacking on the player(s)' side of things. for example say the married man love his wife yet still really likes tali as a romance option So long as it doesn't cross the line of exceptionally weird(i.e making wife dress like tali for some reason) there is no problem as long as when it comes to the Real world he is still mentally stable enough to seperate Story Romance from Life Love (which i'm certain most people do) If this division of fake and real isn't made then Honestly some mental problems exist and have existed for some time and BW should include the same warnings as GTA does on it's ESRB label(look at it for 5 minutes you'll see what i'm talkin about).

Now what you have to remember is when people post on here they are typically posting as fans of the series and subsequently their favorite characters. Supporting a favored characters return, for whatever reason (in the BSN case mostly romance) is a normal occurence It's like expecting mario luigi and princess peach (a good character equivelant for this would be Shepard, Garrus, and Tali respectively) to come back in the next mario game which we know they will or Link and Zelda to obviosly be present in the Skyward sword Who wants to play a mario game as that other random plumber down the street from mario named quazi modo and have his love interest be idk....J.Lo and his brother be terry Mc. Ginus? No one. Absolutely no one wants to play that game(one guy in the background as he is reading this is thinking.."I do" well to him i say "stfu you don't matter"). Why? The characters are too random. What makes them random you ask? The fact that the player has no emotional ties to them, No reason to feel "in tune" with them. This not only makes them random but unfamiliar.(yes i'm  implying that the only thing that makes a character random in a video game is unfamiliarity.)

Now i'm gonna use tali and garrus as an example. In ME 1 for some reason many of us found tali adorable, i can't say i understand why because i didn't find Tali in ME 1 adorable until after i played ME2, had they rplaced tali completely in ME 2 people probably on the whole wouldn't have cared much because she didn't develop alot in ME 1, unlike Garrus who we felt, typically, changed his outlook on life dependent on shepards lessons this gave us a personal tie into garrus. personally when playing ME i feel like Garrus is my best bud. My real best bud is named james and he lives about 2 miles north of me and i visited him at least 4 times amonth to play games and eat pizza and discuss politics. Garrus sorta reminds me of him in the sense they're both Cops (or will be once james gets through the academy) and that's about it. aside from that storywise garrus to me seems like sheps protoge if not best friend. And that's how i play the game, Though i really wish that ME 2 garrus had more dialogue. apparently garrus made enough of an impact on the girls in this community to warrant a romance, which is a bit more understandable and less out of the blue than tali (who's, ultimately, perceived innocence, shyness, and naivity  ultimately won her the fancy of many guys  this was played on alot in ME 2 for the rommance) .

Now to finnish leading back into the concept of Familiarity in the video game. As nintendo said, at least to some extent, at this years E3 "people want to play the familiar in new ways" is a very true statement. They don't want a whole new cast of characters and ect... They want the ones from number 1 played out in new yet familiar ways that makes sense with their ideas. Part of ME 2s poor reception was there was soo much speculation as to what could of been going on. Ultimately very few of those ideas panned out leaving forumites who embraced the concepts concieved here to feel alienated by bioware like bioware had failed them because the familiar ideas they went over in their heads werent the ones they encountered in ME 2. (that is not to say ME 2 didn't have some major plot holes/problems and in some cases total collapse of story/lore Project overlord vs geth don't communicate verbally) In the end fans want to see familiar characters who they felt tied to return so that they can get the same yet a slightly different experience in the storyline. in a weird twist.

So in conclusion 1)most of the gruops/people that are proponets of an "**NPC_NAME**love" thread are just fans who emotionally meshed well with the characters given the story set up and were successfully immersed into the "2nd life"(still no pun intended) of Mass Effect.  
2)Most people who participate in these threads are just people who want the familiar presence to return or overall felt the character was well done and really liked the character (sorta like how we post on this forums our ideas about the game suggestions plot ideas etc... because we like the game, i'm fairly certain if asked most forumites here would say they loved or liked the games so far.)
3) the only time a mental problem might exist is if someone in their private time decided to break the boundry of fiction and create a real insert *sexual/emotional icon here* and even then i'm not so sure that denotes a mental problem than more of some weird sexual fantasy and who doesn't have a sexual fantasy of some kind.
4) It's normal for fans to act this way.

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Sorry, what you had written was very in depth and wonderfully articulate, but I have to ask, when you refer to Terry Mcginnis, as the brother of quazi modo, are you refering to the same Terry Mcginnis that succeeds bruce wayne in Batman Beyond and the Dark Knight of Tommorow, because it would make me so happy if you were... 

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BubbleSauce wrote...

Sorry, what you had written was very in depth and wonderfully articulate, but I have to ask, when you refer to Terry Mcginnis, as the brother of quazi modo, are you refering to the same Terry Mcginnis that succeeds bruce wayne in Batman Beyond and the Dark Knight of Tommorow, because it would make me so happy if you were... 


Haha, you have just brightened my day.

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BubbleSauce wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

<Snip+terry mcginus>



Sorry, what you had written was very in depth and wonderfully articulate, but I have to ask, when you refer to Terry Mcginnis, as the brother of quazi modo, are you refering to the same Terry Mcginnis that succeeds bruce wayne in Batman Beyond and the Dark Knight of Tommorow, because it would make me so happy if you were... 


Yes yes i was

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BSN is just where the really weird "romance" fanatics congregate. They'd probably flood the forum with x-rated fan fiction and fan art if the mods let them. It's one thing to play and be interested in Bioware game romances, but a lot of people on this forum are the pinnacle of it's extreme, and think it's the most important part of the game and why they play. It's definitely not "typical fandom" and BSN is the only place like this, where a forum needs to be created for discussion about people wanting to have sex with NPCs or how much they want to make a lifesize doll of whatever NPC because it would fill up all the gaming and story discussion forums otherwise.

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BSN is just where the really weird "romance" fanatics congregate. They'd probably flood the forum with x-rated fan fiction and fan art if the mods let them. It's one thing to play and be interested in Bioware game romances, but a lot of people on this forum are the pinnacle of it's extreme, and think it's the most important part of the game and why they play. It's definitely not "typical fandom" and BSN is the only place like this, where a forum needs to be created for discussion about people wanting to have sex with NPCs or how much they want to make a lifesize doll of whatever NPC because it would fill up all the gaming and story discussion forums otherwise.


This. They get really damned defensive too.

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PMC65 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

I misunderstood then.  When I got married to my husband, I was wearing my authentic Packers jersey.  But then we got married at the courthouse.  I did wear a nice Packers bow tie too.   And yes, I am weird.  :innocent:


What player? B)

It has my last name on it and 67 for the year I was born.  I personalized it.  Even though I'm married, I didn't take my husband's last name nor did that hyphen thing either.  My last name is unique and I wanted to keep it.  He didn't mind.  It confuses the heck out of people though.  :devil: Which is icing on the cake.  :bandit:


More women are keepin their maiden names these days. I know one couple that took her name because he had grown to love her family (he came from an abusive home).   

  He offered to change his name, but I told him no don't.  I didn't think he parents would care for that too much.   One of his uncles thinks I am the anti-Christ because we moved from Kansas to Florida.  We moved two years before we married.  We were just friend, but like the romances in ME, it grew over time.  :kissing:

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I'm not too emotionally invested or concerned about the LIs since my femshep can't romance Zaeed or TIM. :lol:

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How many times do i have to say this? People here care about them so much because they can't get a boyfriend/girlfriend in real life, so they must resort to fictional video game characters to fantasize about.

What about me, you ask?

I'm one of the few sane people here.





This is just an attempt at humor, don't take this seriously.

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Same reason people like romance novels. It's never about the romance itself in the end, but the build up, and the story.

Or at least that's how I view it. It's a nice little bonus that makes playthroughs more unique and allow you to tailor your Shepard a bit more. But in the end it's a small and relatively insignificant part of the game good for killing some time and giving Shepard a pat on the back, and saying, "See? Now you have a friend. Whose a good boy? Now go save the galaxy".

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Eveninglost wrote...

You obviously have never been to other threads dedicated to a character before. This isn't exclusive to Mass Effect at all. This happens in every form of fandom.


Indeed

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"All the lonely people, where do they all come from?"
"All the lonely people, where do they all belong?" - Eleanor Rigby, The Beatles.

I'd suggest that it's because it adds to the story - like any romance in literature might, but I honestly don't believe any RPG has ever used romance in any artistic fashion. It always seems like purile wish fulfillment (which, to be honest - most RPGs are - but one can dream)

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