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[rumination888]

Was anyone else extremely disappointed they didnt have the option to invoke the Right of Conscription when Arl Eamon sentenced him?

I played my mage as a rather down to earth person that doesn't care about anyone but his friends, and I tried so very hard to save Jowan. Unfortunately, I was completely let down by the choices the game offered you.

Even on my power-hungry warrior, I would've recruited him for the simple fact that he's a powerful maleficarum.

I understand that Alistair doesn't know how to create theJoining ritual, and thats a good thing... because that alone would give the DLC its main quest:
To find out how to recreate the ritual(or having the option to bypass it completely by having Riordan do it if you're that far into the game)

Of course, someone could do it with the toolset, but they don't have access to the voice actors.
That alone means only Bioware can do it.

Bioware really should consider creating another companion DLC to boost their reputation.
There are a lot of people that think Bioware took Shale out of the main game to turn it into a DLC for more money. This would definately shut the naysayers up.

[David Gaider]

It's interesting mainly because there was a time when Jowan WAS supposed to be a joinable party member. He initially was a temporary party member that you could take with you when you found him in Redcliffe, though he wouldn't leave the castle at any point. Later we decided to expand his role into a full party member, so you *could* take him out of the castle and then invoke the Right of Conscription when you spoke to Arl Eamon.

As such things go, we just didn't have the room to add another character onto the pile. So he had to be cut (the permanent part of him was never done, the temporary party member thing was cut later on). It might have been interesting to have a Blood Mage who was also reformed and trying to be a good person -- though maybe someone you could also lead down a darker path again very easily.

He'd have to have been rendered less whiny, though. Just saying.

Regardless, as a few people have pointed out the opening is still very much there for turning him into a party member. Go to, I say.

If what you're suggesting is that WE should do it, however, as in add another party member via DLC, then I wouldn't hold your breath. Shale was a pretty herculean feat, one made possible by way of the fact that we already had the VO recorded for many of the NPC's that were responding to it in the world, not to mention the fact that VO for other party members had not been recorded yet. Nothing's impossible, I suppose (and it's not my decision anyway), but I'm just telling you how it is.

Modifié par David Gaider, 20 novembre 2009 - 08:06 .

[David Gaider]

The Angry One wrote...
I'll say one thing, it would be nice to have a mage in the party who isn't an evil witch or a lady who just has to remind me she's old every 5 minutes.

I'm sure that someone would have found something to complain about regarding him, no matter how nice you suggest it might be. Especially those who are prone to complaining. Not that you would know anything about that.

[David Gaider]

The Angry One wrote...
No need to worry, I reserve my truly visceral complaints for those writers who obnoxiously obsess over their self-insertion fantasies in a deluded attempt to give their lives meaning.
I don't believe you are one of those, although I would point out that a heightened tendency to be defensive about one's work is one of the first symptoms. Not that you'd know anything about that.

You may want to reconsider a name change to something more like "The Obnoxious One".

But that may just be my defensiveness talking, you never know. In either case, I'll leave you to it.

[David Gaider]

The Angry One wrote...
WIP doesn't always mean lost, as voiceovers are usually done before the other stuff; case in point: Cut darkside female Revan romantic suicide ending in KotOR, and lesbian Ashley in Mass Effect.

Nothing about Jowan being a full party member was ever implemented or written. So there's nothing that was lost to recover. At best there might still be the line where you invoke the Right of Conscription with Arl Eamon, but it never went further than that.

[David Gaider]

ValentineHeart82 wrote...
I highly suspect that EA-BioWare has been dishonest with us regarding Shale, since Shale is character number 5 in the Console and has dialogue throughout the entire game. I suspect that BioWare already had Shale finished but pretended that she wasn't finished to justify making her DLC, and that EA-BioWare has outright lied to us and insulted our intelligence by pretending that Shale wasn't ready after an arbitrary and possibly nonexistant lockdown (if they were polishing the game and creating content it wasn't locked down).

All that aside, the way the DLC is handled, especially Warden's Keep and the upcoming Return to Ostagar, actually encourages piracy. People are less willing to buy a game if they know that they will also have to buy DLC for the game, and since the DLC and the Game are both already cracked and pirated it's legitimate gamers like us who get shafted. I don't blame BioWare for any of this though, I blame EA. EA's CEO clearly announced his intentions to use DLC as a means of income over traditional means, he compared selling retail games to being the guy at the video store trying to rent out DvDs in an age of Pay Per View.

This type of thing angers and insults many gamers who feel that they should not have to buy an unfinished game only to buy back the parts that should have been there in the finished product, it's a major driving force behind piracy and it's a major reason that so many pirates now target EA, intentionally doanloading and seeding games they never even intend to play.

Well that was awkward.

[David Gaider]

ValentineHeart82 wrote...
Exactly, it's extremely bad form, and it's generated a lot of hate. BioWare should provide an optional patch/fix to remove him for people who don't want the Keep.

And while we're at it, something should really be done about those commercials they've been showing while I'm watching my stories on the television. I don't like them! They interrupt my immersion, and I don't think they are informative or convince anyone to actually buy anything anyway. It's just rude, and I paid for the television so nothing on it should ever change! Back to the days of no commercials, please!

Sorry, I know that's not really related to the point of this thread, but I just had to rant for a moment. I know my brother says I can just ignore those commercials or fast-forward on the PVR to get back to my stories, but the principle still makes me SOOOOO MAD! I really don't know why the TV people don't listen to me when I write them sternly worded letters and tell them how angry everyone is! They won't be long for this world, mark my words, and that's all I'll say on the subject.

Anyway. *ahem* Back to Jowan.

Modifié par David Gaider, 20 novembre 2009 - 11:26 .