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[rumination888]

Was anyone else extremely disappointed they didnt have the option to invoke the Right of Conscription when Arl Eamon sentenced him?

I played my mage as a rather down to earth person that doesn't care about anyone but his friends, and I tried so very hard to save Jowan. Unfortunately, I was completely let down by the choices the game offered you.

Even on my power-hungry warrior, I would've recruited him for the simple fact that he's a powerful maleficarum.

I understand that Alistair doesn't know how to create theJoining ritual, and thats a good thing... because that alone would give the DLC its main quest:
To find out how to recreate the ritual(or having the option to bypass it completely by having Riordan do it if you're that far into the game)

Of course, someone could do it with the toolset, but they don't have access to the voice actors.
That alone means only Bioware can do it.

Bioware really should consider creating another companion DLC to boost their reputation.
There are a lot of people that think Bioware took Shale out of the main game to turn it into a DLC for more money. This would definately shut the naysayers up.

[JessicaGlenn]

I'd rather have Isabella as a duelist Rogue to be recruitable. Seems that she has potential for deeper storyline due to being a ship captain and all that. I'd also rather have another elf to the roster, Jovan to me is just another random guy that is tied to the mage origin, so you can't have him be recruitable to disturb your epilogue.

[sylkwyrm1]

yeah i think a new dlc companion would be best if it is unrelated to origin, decisions you make in your origin do come back to haunt you, like during the sacred ashes, i'd feel silly talking to a projection of him if he was also stood next to me

[5Warlocks]

Jowan would be an awesome party member.

[KalosCast]

Bioware did take Shale out of the main game... due to time constraints. And if you think about it, it's a delightful way to make money off of used copies and make back some of what would be lost to piracy. That's why she's conveniently already woven into the story.

Though, I don't think Jowan would be any better or worse than you other origin companions. Maybe give each origin the option to re-recruit their old buddies should they live? i'd jump at the chance to quest around with Shianni and Soras.

Other options could be a warrior who focuses on dual weilding or a mage who specializes in one of the darker magic schools you can pick spells from. Thematically, Wynne's all about Creation and Morrigan is all about the elemental stuff

Modifié par KalosCast, 20 novembre 2009 - 10:34 .

[sylkwyrm1]

i thought it was obvious that shale was in throughout original production, i could see the companions being voiced for their discussions with her, but all the random NPC's in the world having voiced reactions to her?

[KalosCast]

sylkwyrm1 wrote...

i thought it was obvious that shale was in throughout original production, i could see the companions being voiced for their discussions with her, but all the random NPC's in the world having voiced reactions to her?

And the Bioware announcement where they said that they planned to have a golem but cut it from the retail box due to time constraints.

[sylkwyrm1]

that i didn't see i avoided reading about the game as much as possible until i actually owned it heh

bioware+rpg is pretty much all i needed to know

Modifié par sylkwyrm1, 20 novembre 2009 - 10:36 .

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

JessicaGlenn wrote...

I'd rather have Isabella as a duelist Rogue to be recruitable. Seems that she has potential for deeper storyline due to being a ship captain and all that. I'd also rather have another elf to the roster, Jovan to me is just another random guy that is tied to the mage origin, so you can't have him be recruitable to disturb your epilogue.

Are you kidding me? Isabella is a terrible character. She annoyed the hell out of me with that stupid card game where you don't actually play cards but just click ''continue''. What was the point of that? I'd rather she died in a fire.

[KalosCast]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

JessicaGlenn wrote...

I'd rather have Isabella as a duelist Rogue to be recruitable. Seems that she has potential for deeper storyline due to being a ship captain and all that. I'd also rather have another elf to the roster, Jovan to me is just another random guy that is tied to the mage origin, so you can't have him be recruitable to disturb your epilogue.

Are you kidding me? Isabella is a terrible character. She annoyed the hell out of me with that stupid card game where you don't actually play cards but just click ''continue''. What was the point of that? I'd rather she died in a fire.

Realizing the point of it (or losing until Leliana walks you through it) is how you get duelist.

[rumination888]

sylkwyrm1 wrote...

yeah i think a new dlc companion would be best if it is unrelated to origin, decisions you make in your origin do come back to haunt you, like during the sacred ashes, i'd feel silly talking to a projection of him if he was also stood next to me

He wouldn't be standing next to you in the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest.
You need to finish the quest in the first place in order to wake Arl Eamon up.

JessicaGlenn wrote...

I'd rather have Isabella as a
duelist Rogue to be recruitable. Seems that she has potential for
deeper storyline due to being a ship captain and all that. I'd also
rather have another elf to the roster, Jovan to me is just another
random guy that is tied to the mage origin, so you can't have him be
recruitable to disturb your epilogue.

Jowan is one of the main actors in the Arl of Redcliffe storyline if you let him out of his jail cell.

Regardless of your origin, one of your options is to send Jowan himself into the fade to battle the demon so he could redeem himself.

Isabella has no ties to the actual storyline itself.

Modifié par rumination888, 20 novembre 2009 - 10:49 .

[sylkwyrm1]

if you decide to get to know her better in another way it's more fun depnding on who you have in your party, she'd be a female zevran for sure, that maybe argument enough in her favour for some people

[sylkwyrm1]

rumination888 wrote...

sylkwyrm1 wrote...

yeah i think a new dlc companion would be best if it is unrelated to origin, decisions you make in your origin do come back to haunt you, like during the sacred ashes, i'd feel silly talking to a projection of him if he was also stood next to me

He wouldn't be standing next to you in the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest.
You need to finish the quest in the first place in order to wake Arl Eamon up.

ahh yeah course good point, still think origin related chars are bad for companions though, unless you can get one from each origin, and -only- the one related to your origin, that might be nice, only played mage though, so don't know about others

[SDNcN]

Honestly on the long list of minor characters who should have been companions Jowan is probably the lowest.

What we need in this game is more of Bann Teagan, Ser Cauthrine, and Gorim.

Modifié par SDNcN, 20 novembre 2009 - 10:55 .

[KalosCast]

SDNcN wrote...

Honestly on the long list of minor characters who should been companions Jowan is probably the lowest.

What we need in this game is more of Bann Teagan, Ser Cauthrine, and Gorim.
.

Bann Teagan was boring, I don't even remember who Gorim is, and do we REALLY need a third warrior who's specced in the worst combat style?

[rumination888]

SDNcN wrote...

Honestly on the long list of minor characters who should have been companions Jowan is probably the lowest.

What we need in this game is more of Bann Teagan, Ser Cauthrine, and Gorim.

The only role Gorim plays outside of the dwarf noble origin is a merchant.
You dont even meet Ser Cauthrine until 75% of the game is done.

Bann Teagan would make a good candidate for a recruitable character in the Arl of Redcliffe storyline... if he was a skilled combatant. Unfortunately, theres nothing that sets him apart from a normal soldier.

Atleast with Jowan he shows signs of a potential Grey Warden: the ability to get the job done, no matter the risk
He did it twice and has the potential to do it a third time if you let him:
The first is managing to destroy his phylactery(he does this regardless of origin... if he didn't he wouldnt be able to poison the Arl in the first place)
The second is poisoning Arl Eamon.
And the third, if you let him, is entering the Fade and defeating the demon possessing Conner.

There isn't a single non-recruitable character that would make a better Grey Warden than Jowan.

Modifié par rumination888, 20 novembre 2009 - 11:28 .

[Insect]

I am quite shocked to see no one lobbying for the awesome that is Daveth surviving the joining.



..then again I suspect people could mod additional party members in, no?

[sylkwyrm1]

he was more central to the plot than any others, and i did wish i could enact the rite of conscription when eamon asked me what to do with him, but i don't think i'd have cared if i hadn't been a mage, and the thing i noticed about jowan and liked was that he didn't use blood magic to do anything bad, the bad things he did seemed to have nothing to do with the stuff



he didn't try to compel you to help him if you refuse to in the origin, he didn't use blood magic to get his phylactery he -only- used it to try and save lilly, he didn't use it to uh *shrugs* mind control teagan/isolde into murdering eamon, he used poison, the first time he used it was to save connor and only at your request.



the more i think about it the more interesting he could be to have around more.. hmm contemplating making a blood mage/spirit healer who turns to blood magic as a weapon against the blight, possibly a vow to use it against nothing but the darkspawn....

[Wintermist]

I like Jowan and would love to get him involved in the story by a DLC.

[sylkwyrm1]

yeah, i've just gone a 180 on this idea, *thumbs up*

[_purifico_]

Jowan would ne an awesome addition to the group - I can see the comedic potencial. Besides, I've never really thought of him as a bad guy. More like a misguided lovefool. And the scene in the mage origin where he

*spoilers*



stabs himself to save his friends – I was all like "OMFG WOW!". Both touching AND well-written. That’s when I realized why he and my mage character are BFF: the exact same thing I would have done to save him if the script allowed =)

After that I just can't see hin as a villain. Though I would really like to see that evidence that the templars have against him.

[Lord Badmagic]

I loath DLC's and everything they represent.

With that said I would gladly buy this, I know we are in the spoilers forum but without saying too much, lack of mages for a truly evil playthrough is annoying, every way I turn in this game I feel like I'm being railroaded.

[Elessen]

Jowan would make a fine addition to an evil party, as Wynne always whine when you kill innocents...Duh...

[Wintermist]

Jowan, as I see it, could be turned both ways I think. Evil if the PC influences him that Blood Magic should be used since it's powerful, and Good if influenced he should stay sober.

Modifié par Wintermist, 20 novembre 2009 - 12:59 .

[The Angry One]

Elessen wrote...

Jowan would make a fine addition to an evil party, as Wynne always whine when you kill innocents...Duh...

Jowan would whine if you kill innocents.
He'd also whine if you killed evil people.
He'd whine if the moon was slightly off colour.

I like the guy, but he's a tremendous wet blanket, terribly inept and carries a cloud of bad luck with him that infects anyone close to him.