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[mykeme]

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Edit: Why?

Modifié par mykeme, 15 juin 2011 - 07:59 .

[ipgd]

David Gaider wrote...

If someone wants to suggest that my writing isn't publishable-- meh.

Both Stephanie Meyer and Rob Liefeld are published. And millionaires. I'm not sure why people use this word like it means anything.

Modifié par ipgd, 15 juin 2011 - 08:09 .

[Maria13]

Well, that's a sale from me. Hope it comes out on Kindle!

[asindre]

Loved the first two books, can't wait for the third.

[Maria13]

Addai67 wrote...

I didn't get beyond the first few paragraphs of that supposed review, which consisted of nothing but elitist dismissal of franchise fiction and video games. Literary people are snobs. People who imagine themselves literary and post on the internet... they're a whole different category.

Haters can get in line for their head crushing, right after Shale is done with the pigeons.

It's the same as those critics who described Ned's death in the HBO series based on GoT as a break with tradition... WTF! The dudes can't read... Ah no, they're such snobs that they DON'T read... Poor ignoramuses.

Modifié par Maria13, 15 juin 2011 - 08:29 .

[Raonar]

I wonder if the title means the book has anything to do with the Fade Beast in the deep roads (the Asunder side-quest pride demon?)

[Addai]

David Gaider wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I didn't get beyond the first few paragraphs of that supposed review, which consisted of nothing but elitist dismissal of franchise fiction and video games. Literary people are snobs. People who imagine themselves literary and post on the internet... they're a whole different category.

Haters can get in line for their head crushing, right after Shale is done with the pigeons.

I'm under no illusion that I'm some fantabulous writer who can do no wrong. I do my best, and the most I can ask of myself is that I improve... and that's going to happen with practice, not via "helpful" critiques. I'm well aware of what my verbs are doing, and it's a pretty rare day that I don't criticize my own work more than anyone else does. Writers dip their pens in self-loathing, or so I'm told.

If someone wants to suggest that my writing isn't publishable-- meh. There are people who enjoy it. Someone's estimation of their intelligence for doing so or my intelligence for providing it shouldn't impact on anyone else. Certainly doesn't bother me.

I was a lit major, so that's where my jadedness comes from.  A lot of professional critics consider any sci fi or fantasy- even the "serious" stuff- beneath their notice.  Also if it's something the masses like, such as a video game, it has to be crap.  Doubly so if it's something women or young people like.

I for one value good storytelling and don't ask much more than that.  The Stolen Throne is up there with my favorite books, mostly for the characters.  Very much looking forward to the new one.

[Maria Caliban]

As a literary person, I'm not sure why literary is apparently an insult, or why my posting on the internet means that I'm in a 'whole different category.'

Are you under the impression that internet denizens are only pimpled 40-year-olds who live in their mother's basement and spend their time pleasuring themselves to streams of La Blue Girl? If so, I'd work on those self-esteem issues.

The majority of the literary corporate world is online. Editors, agents, reviews, writers - shockingly, people whose trade is words take well to a medium that's largely textual.

[_Aine_]

 I always consider it slightly questionable when they are so concerned about the "level" of writing they are reviewing ... and yet they themselves are delegated to writing reviews and expect people to read *them*.  What does that say about their readers exactly?  

I found the first books (I have read both, even though Stolen Throne was my favorite) to be entertaining, and that is exactly what I wanted from them.  If I want to wow people with my large intellect I will solve the blight of cancer or get a nifty mensa membership.   When I read, it is because I love to read, and I love to be entertained while reading.  And if a book gives me that? That is what I pay for, not the knowledge that I may have utilized more than the typical 5% of my brain that is the norm.   Any book that can make me completely rethink a character I thought I knew, and do so successfully, did something right.  

I don't mind a critic, I just distrust them when they are paid for it.  

Can't wait to read it, personally.  

Modifié par shantisands, 15 juin 2011 - 08:48 .

[RosaAquafire]

David Gaider wrote...
I'm under no illusion that I'm some fantabulous writer who can do no wrong. I do my best, and the most I can ask of myself is that I improve... and that's going to happen with practice, not via "helpful" critiques. I'm well aware of what my verbs are doing, and it's a pretty rare day that I don't criticize my own work more than anyone else does. Writers dip their pens in self-loathing, or so I'm told.

Yes, exactly. Once a writer can identify their own flaws (and even the most experienced and talented writer has them -- George R R Martin's A Storm of Swords, possibly the best fantasy novel ever written, spends about 200 of its 1200 pages waxing melodramatic about Tyrion's nose) there is absolutely no one more aware of them and tortured by them than the writer themselves. This guy isn't trying to help you, though, or hell, even critique your writing. He's trying to prop up a blanket statement on a form of media he personally hates.

I can guarantee there isn't a writer out there who looks at their writing and sees something glorious all of the time. Writers live in a constant state of bipolar self assessment: "I am awesome!" -> "I am crap!" on repeat play.

Honestly, Mr. Gaider, I have an English degree and am one of these ~*literary snobs*~ people are complaining about. (And I agree with Maria, I can't understand why this is not a valid sort of person to be on the internet? Can you not want intelligent discourse online? Can the most we expect from the internet be cat videos?) I expect my reading to edify and engage me, not just entertain. And *I* am a huge supporter of your writing and defender of your natural talent with prose. You ARE good, and with more practice, I really do think you're going to be GREAT. What do they say about prose writing -- it's like music, the most important thing is that you have the groove in your soul, and the rest comes with experience. No one can read your writing and not see that you "get" flow unless they're rocking a big dumb bias they want to tell us all about.

WHICH THIS GUY CLEARLY IS, SO OKAY.

I really encourage everyone to give these novels a try. They're constantly brought up in debates on the internet about liscenced novels, as proof that under the right circumstances, they can be something really worth the trees they're printed on.

Modifié par RosaAquafire, 15 juin 2011 - 08:58 .

[Addai]

Maria Caliban wrote...

As a literary person, I'm not sure why literary is apparently an insult, or why my posting on the internet means that I'm in a 'whole different category.' 

Because the internet tends to spawn people like that guy.  Professional critics have to justify their own paycheck by tearing apart what other people do, but an opinion is just an opinion and everyone's got one.

[tmp7704]

ipgd wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

If someone wants to suggest that my writing isn't publishable-- meh.

Both Stephanie Meyer and Rob Liefeld are published. And millionaires. I'm not sure why people use this word like it means anything.

OK, now i have to wonder what's the literary equivalent of pouches...

[soile]

"Write, Gaider!"

And write he did...

Another victory for fanfic writers, I guess.

[MorrigansLove]

The story in DA2 wasn't the best so I'm going into this one with low expectations. Still have hope for the Dragon Age series, though.

[soile]

The reading went on and on. It couldn’t be literature, those couldn’t read that horribly.

“Utthurt fanfic writers,” said Loghain.

Gaider raised his Writer’s pen and took aim, muttering the words of an inspirational saying. Loghain knocked the pen upwards. “Are you crazy?” Gaider shuddered and threw his pen to the ground.

That was intense stuff.

[Sylvius the Mad]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm under no illusion that I'm some fantabulous writer who can do no wrong. I do my best, and the most I can ask of myself is that I improve... and that's going to happen with practice, not via "helpful" critiques. I'm well aware of what my verbs are doing, and it's a pretty rare day that I don't criticize my own work more than anyone else does. Writers dip their pens in self-loathing, or so I'm told.

If someone wants to suggest that my writing isn't publishable-- meh. There are people who enjoy it.

There are aspects of your writing I quite like.  I think you establish your setting very well, which I also think is the most important part of game design, so it's no wonder I like your games.

Also, if we're to compare these books even to other works of fantasy literature, we need to compare them to standalone stories, not series.  Series have the luxury of building very complicated plots, because they can stretch out indefinitely over a great many volumes.  You (David) are writing fairly short novels, so you're confined to exploring the details of one simple story at a time.

You're doing a great job.  Please keep up the good work.

[soile]

Hmm

Modifié par soile, 15 juin 2011 - 10:05 .

[soile]

Sorry, double post. Feel free to delete.

Modifié par soile, 15 juin 2011 - 10:05 .

[Ulicus]

Crikey. First I hear about FemShep finally being represented in the ME marketing and now I learn there's a new Dragon Age novel to look forward to as well?



Yay!

[devSin]

I'll be picking up this one on release, not a year later, so I might actually have an impact now on whether you get to do more in the future. Good luck. Write more, please.

I hope the BioWare logo doesn't make the front cover this time. They don't let you do it at work, so why do they deserve anything but the spine or rear cover (the publisher logo doesn't even make the front).

[GoldenPigsy]

NVM.

Modifié par GoldenPigsy, 20 juin 2011 - 09:52 .

[andar91]

I really enjoyed the other books, and this one sounds even more interesting to me as mages are my favorite class, and I also love Wynne. Can't wait, David!

[PaulSX]

I dont like Templar and Mage setting ~. ~ what abut dwarves?

[Dormiglione]

David Gaider wrote...

If someone wants to suggest that my writing isn't publishable-- meh. There are people who enjoy it. Someone's estimation of their intelligence for doing so or my intelligence for providing it shouldn't impact on anyone else. Certainly doesn't bother me.

Right, that is it what finally matters. I enjoy reading your books and i guess that im not the only one.

[Koffeegirl]

I'm so excited for this book. I've been lurking the boards waiting for an announcement. I get done grad school in December, so the release date is perfect. I'll have finally have time to read something that I enjoy. And Shale.....I love Shale. I loved the little reference to her in The Stolen Throne and am very much looking forward to hearing how she is doing. Also, it will be interesting to see how the whole DA2 situation affected the circles, something I have been wondering about for awhile.