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[TEWR]

in all fairness, a lot of what is "historically accurate" in our world eventually turns out to not be so. People who write about a certain event may one day be proven wrong.


People thought Hercules was just a myth and wrote him off as such. There's actual evidence to suggest he may have been real. Though obviously not a demi-god.

[Noviere]

Congrats David! I really enjoyed the first 2 books, and will definitely be picking up the third.

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

in all fairness, a lot of what is "historically accurate" in our world eventually turns out to not be so. People who write about a certain event may one day be proven wrong.


People thought Hercules was just a myth and wrote him off as such. There's actual evidence to suggest he may have been real. Though obviously not a demi-god.

The thing is, it's still changing an event that transpired in Origins. The Warden didn't read about the histories of these characters, he (or she) interacted with them, and for some, their Wardens killed these respective characters. I don't imagine the people who actively chose to kill Wynne, Leliana, Oghren, or Shale are pleased with the "changes" in their particular history that seem to repeatedly happen with the progression of the series.

[Dave of Canada]

Book canon is different from game canon.
Even Mass Effect has a book canon.

[Addai]

This is good news! Looking forward to it.

P.S. Can we haz a Fiona sighting? 

Modifié par Addai67, 14 juin 2011 - 09:39 .

[Hel]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The thing is, it's still changing an event that transpired in Origins. The Warden didn't read about the histories of these characters, he (or she) interacted with them, and for some, their Wardens killed these respective characters. I don't imagine the people who actively chose to kill Wynne, Leliana, Oghren, or Shale are pleased with the "changes" in their particular history that seem to repeatedly happen with the progression of the series.

Good thing your Warden isn't the one reading the book then, hm?

I'm all for choices in the games, but when Leliana gets killed, Shale doesn't get woken up or Morrigan doesn't get her child we're entering the realm of alternate universe canon as far as I'm concerned. All of the above are classified in the same category as Darkspawn Chronicles for me.

[LobselVith8]

Helekanalaith wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The thing is, it's still changing an event that transpired in Origins. The Warden didn't read about the histories of these characters, he (or she) interacted with them, and for some, their Wardens killed these respective characters. I don't imagine the people who actively chose to kill Wynne, Leliana, Oghren, or Shale are pleased with the "changes" in their particular history that seem to repeatedly happen with the progression of the series.

Good thing your Warden isn't the one reading the book then, hm?

My Surana Warden helped Shale, saved the Circle of Ferelden, didn't kill Leliana or Wynne, and Wynne headed off to Tevinter with Shale after the Hero of Ferelden asked the ruler of Ferelden to free his people. It doesn't apply to me, but like I said - I can see where people are coming from who did make those choices.

Helekanalaith wrote...

I'm all for choices in the games, but when Leliana gets killed, Shale doesn't get woken up or Morrigan doesn't get her child we're entering the realm of alternate universe canon as far as I'm concerned. All of the above are classified in the same category as Darkspawn Chronicles for me.

It's not alternative universe canon, because there's not supposed to be a main canon - and there isn't, since there are multiple Grey Warden protagonists.

[Nerevar-as]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Book canon is different from game canon.
Even Mass Effect has a book canon.

Keep believing that. Just don´t get surprised if (when?) Wynne & Shale appear in DA3.

ME was as vague as it could in the books, with only one significant slip in three books. This is not Star Trek EU, so far all media share the same universe.

[David Gaider]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Book canon is different from game canon.
Even Mass Effect has a book canon.

Correct. The nature of a novel means it must establish its own canon, and the novel's canon has no relation to the game's canon (such as it is). If you wish, think of the novel as an alternate universe where things took a specific path with regards to Wynne or other events. How those events would have played out in the world of your personal game might have been very different. I am not, however, telling that particular story.

If one expects a novel to follow their personal choices and change accordingly, then their expectations are out to lunch.

[Nerevar-as]

David Gaider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Book canon is different from game canon.
Even Mass Effect has a book canon.

Correct. The nature of a novel means it must establish its own canon, and the novel's canon has no relation to the game's canon (such as it is). If you wish, think of the novel as an alternate universe where things took a specific path with regards to Wynne or other events. How those events would have played out in the world of your personal game might have been very different. I am not, however, telling that particular story.

If one expects a novel to follow their personal choices and change accordingly, then their expectations are out to lunch.

Just as I´ve said the opposite thing...funny that.

So no risk of meeting Wynne or Shale in DA3? Or does canon reset whit each new product?

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 14 juin 2011 - 10:14 .

[MerinTB]

Holy crap, even on vacation I have to chime in that this is awesome news.

I loved the other books and am definitely grabbing this one. Currently reading the most recent Mass Effect novel while on my trip as well.

Thank you, Mr. Gaider!

[nijnij]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Rhys. Not Adrian. Rhys.

So it is always a good day when we get to announce something cool like this. Up until the point where David messages me asking "Who is Adrian?". It seems that name was not correct.

Wynne's son's name is Rhys.

And I actually prefer this. Why should a lovely Welsh named woman like Wynne have a non-Welsh named son? Rhys is much better imo.

A classic case of http://tvtropes.org/...in/AerithAndBob 

EDIT : actually not really since Rhys is a real name. And so is Wynne. Oh well !

Modifié par nijnij, 14 juin 2011 - 10:18 .

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...
Correct. The nature of a novel means it must establish its own canon, and the novel's canon has no relation to the game's canon (such as it is). If you wish, think of the novel as an alternate universe where things took a specific path with regards to Wynne or other events. How those events would have played out in the world of your personal game might have been very different. I am not, however, telling that particular story.

If one expects a novel to follow their personal choices and change accordingly, then their expectations are out to lunch.

But I mean, for instance, in Stolen Throne or The Calling, the stuff that happened there informs the backstory of a character like Loghain or Duncan or The Architect or Shale who showed up in the game world of Origins/Awakening.

So its not like if some Super Massive Important Event happens in the novel or a new character from the novel goes on to show up in a future game, that what happened in the novel wouldn't be acknowledged as having happened, right? Obviously you wouldn't be able to account for player's choices/permutations but there might be some things that happen in the novel world that could affect the larger DA world, including possible future games, should any future story call for it, right?

[ipgd]

People will complain about abso-****ing-lutely anything.

[Nerevar-as]

David Gaider wrote...

If one expects a novel to follow their personal choices and change accordingly, then their expectations are out to lunch.

I would say we expected the novel to skip characters and events involved in game choices.

[tmp7704]

David Gaider wrote...

If one expects a novel to follow their personal choices and change accordingly, then their expectations are out to lunch.

Maybe there's a room for a "choose your own adventure" DA book there...

[David Gaider]

Nerevar-as wrote...
So no risk of meeting Wynne or Shale in DA3? Or does canon reset whit each new product?

In a game it would be possible to have Wynne or Shale alive/not alive however we wished, and its version of the events told in the book could be different-- if it needed to be. You don't know the story yet, after all.

Nerevar-as wrote...
I would say we expected the novel to skip characters and events involved in game choices.

So avoid any characters or reference to events completely? Sorry. I'd find that a terrible waste. If it bothers someone that much to differentiate between the two things, I'd simply advise them to skip the book.

Modifié par David Gaider, 14 juin 2011 - 10:36 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

I'm looking forward to this new book. I have the other two books and really enjoyed them before playing DAO. I can't wait to see what happens to Wynne and Shale and meeting Wynne's son.

Is Rhys the character in DA Legends? I've never played the facebook game, and I was just curious.

[LobselVith8]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I'm looking forward to this new book. I have the other two books and really enjoyed them before playing DAO. I can't wait to see what happens to Wynne and Shale and meeting Wynne's son.

Is Rhys the character in DA Legends? I've never played the facebook game, and I was just curious.

Ravi is the Viscount in Legends.

[David Gaider]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
Is Rhys the character in DA Legends? I've never played the facebook game, and I was just curious.

Nope. Not the same character.

And for those who are wondering how I pronounce it, it's "Reece".

[Sylvius the Mad]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Though obviously not a demi-god.

Says you.

[TEWR]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Though obviously not a demi-god.

Says you.

 

nah I think he might've been a demi-god in some ways (not like son of Zeus, but you know). who knows? He could've been super strong. A neuroscientist (was it a neuroscientist?) said that it's possible to develop super senses.


And then there was Magneto the Kid.


Make of that what you will.

David Gaider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Book canon is different from game canon.
Even Mass Effect has a book canon.

Correct. The nature of a novel means it must establish its own canon, and the novel's canon has no relation to the game's canon (such as it is). If you wish, think of the novel as an alternate universe where things took a specific path with regards to Wynne or other events. How those events would have played out in the world of your personal game might have been very different. I am not, however, telling that particular story.

If one expects a novel to follow their personal choices and change accordingly, then their expectations are out to lunch.

Huh. I never thought of it like that. Well, I guess that means that the book's canon will follow my game's canon anyway. I don't kill any of the characters off.


And what are my expectations eating at this lunch? I would hope it's something good. My expectations expect good food.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 juin 2011 - 11:14 .

[Amagoi]

I was wondering how long it'd take! I enjoyed the first two novels, so I'm definatly getting this. I don't even need to watch the video to decide that.