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[Mathias]

I don't remember the exact quote but i remember Casey Hudson said players new to the Mass Effect franchise will get get as much access to the game as the people who've been playing it since the first. Am i right on that? I hope that's not what he meant because i think people who played god knows how many hours completing the majoring of the last two games should have at least 1-3 more hours of content in Mass Effect 3 than brand new players.

If new players can pick up Mass Effect 3 and have all their squadmates from ME2 survived the Collector Base, i think that'd be very unfair to the people who got the perfect ending in Mass Effect 2. If they can choose what decisions they made from the last 2 games at the beginning of ME3, then there wasn't much point to import saves was there?

I'm not saying people who didn't play the last two should be punished. But people who did play the last 2 games should be rewarded. And honestly i think there should be a good ending that brand new players can achieve, but i think there should be a 100% Perfect Ending that only people who played through the last 2 games should be able to get.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 14 juin 2011 - 08:23 .

[subby19]

I've heard Casey say that ME3 will be the best place to start the ME series, which to me says exactly what your talking about.
It would be great if we could get a few extra missions for playing the first 2 games(Nothing big just small mission that relate to past side missions or something; Interview with Emily Wong, checking on Dr. Michel, helping refund guy, ect.) but it probably wont happen, Bioware doesn't seem to like that sort of thing.
It'd also be interesting if new gamers were forced to lose some squad members in the suicide mission, but only one or two since they probably already wont get to see DLC characters at all.

[Whyp_2]

I agree. There should ne something exclusive that will make people who buy ME3 wanna buy ME1 and ME2 so that they can get to feel the same experience.

[DadeLeviathan]

I'm not necessarily in support of MORE content for people who played the first two games, but I want the game to be reactive. I want to feel, truly, that my choices mattered. I don't want to just run into a few cameos here and there who gay, "Hey Shepard! Remember that cool time we had on Ferros? Well... I'm green now. Wanna go do an extremely short and waste-of-time fetch quest for me? Thanks! "

[Starzie]

What do we get for playing the other two games that new players don't get? The other two games and all the content, all the blood, sweat, and tears put into those long hours. All the emotional connection we have with the characters and the universe it's in. New players won't have all that.

Now granted, I'd love to be rewarded for it. Any extra game play time is impossible to turn down, but I don't think Bioware would do that. I can see new players throwing up fit-threads about 'Why can't I do this, but they can!?11~!!?' I think Bioware will avoid that. I know I'd hate to be blocked from something because I didn't join in until the third one in the trilogy. I played ME2 first before I played ME. It's what got me into the ME world. I imagine there will lots of people playing it for the first time for ME3.

[shadowreflexion]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I don't remember the exact quote but i remember Casey Hudson said players new to the Mass Effect franchise will get get as much access to the game as the people who've been playing it since the first. Am i right on that? I hope that's not what he meant because i think people who played god knows how many hours completing the majoring of the last two games should have at least 1-3 more hours of content in Mass Effect 3 than brand new players.

If new players can pick up Mass Effect 3 and have all their squadmates from ME2 survived the Collector Base, i think that'd be very unfair to the people who got the perfect ending in Mass Effect 2. If they can choose what decisions they made from the last 2 games at the beginning of ME3, then there wasn't much point to import saves was there?

I'm not saying people who didn't play the last two should be punished. But people who did play the last 2 games should be rewarded. And honestly i think there should be a good ending that brand new players can achieve, but i think there should be a 100% Perfect Ending that only people who played through the last 2 games should be able to get.

While I don't agree with witholding game play from anyone, The 100% thing does sound like a good option. But there is also a counter for people who didn't play the series from the start. The web book like Genesis doesn't really give new players that feel for every important decision that those who played through the series experienced. Now granted, having something additional for players is a good idea, it's a hard one to implement because BW can't possibly invest the time it would take trying to find out who actually has played all three games.

[Fleetleader101]

Reactive content not more content IMO. Frankly I own one and 2, but I started on 2 and one was a train wreck in comparison. The loading times put me to sleep and I just cant adapt to it. So I find myself rushing through. Im going to try and sit down and play it before 3, but if I dont get to it I shouldnt be penalized.

[wolfennights]

I have been a faithful follower of Mass Effect since before the first game was even released. I did all the sidequests, bought all the DLC, so I better get something extra!

[McBaal]

To me it is quite simple: Players who player the first two games will have some serious advantages in ME3. Saving the Rachnii, reprogramming the Geth, Wrex as the most powerfull Krogan warlord with his own army. This are only some things only imported characters will have. I expect some small unique sidequests, but nothing relevant for the story itself.
Playing the first two games the paragonway should make ME3 a lot easier.

[Tripedius]

Well BW already undid one thing about possible ME1 playthroughs, Anderson is no longer on tne council no matter what you do.
Can't see however how undoing Wrex or the Rachni could be an option, but that's included in the choices at the start of ME3 I suppose. For the rest it will probably be a bit more recognition for those who played earlier games but not much else.
You could maybe encounter Samara/Morinth, Thane, Zaeed, Kasumi, Shiala or any other NPC that doesn't play a significant role if you played ME1/2 cause new players won't miss them. But not much else I suppose.

[ADelusiveMan]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

I'm not necessarily in support of MORE content for people who played the first two games, but I want the game to be reactive. I want to feel, truly, that my choices mattered. I don't want to just run into a few cameos here and there who gay, "Hey Shepard! Remember that cool time we had on Ferros? Well... I'm green now. Wanna go do an extremely short and waste-of-time fetch quest for me? Thanks! :D"

This.

[Inprea]

I'm not certain how absolute those choices are going to be. An example from ME2 if you didn't play ME1 and make the right choices you can't get a discount at one of the weapon's stands. Now in a game world with finite money this is a big deal and the genesis DLC didn't allow you to compensate for that.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were similar little benefits for those who have played ME1 and ME2 that those who start with ME3 won't get to enjoy.

Honestly though I'm just hoping that I'll get some starting bonuses in terms of level, resources, credits or upgrades going into ME3. That or I would like to have some explanation as to how Shepeard lost the bonuses from the skin meshes, the muscle augmentations and the bone enhancements considering that those were literally inside of her body.

Did the Alliance have the delicately interwoven nanofyber pulled out of her body before the trial?

[Someone With Mass]

Something special for those who have been around since ME1 (I'm one of them) would indeed be nice.

[DarthSliver]

Well Id say a Trophy/ Achievement that requires you to have Imported a Shepard from the first all the way to ME3 would be a nice bonus, with the PS3 one only requiring the Import to be from ME2 since they never gave PS3 users the option to play all 3 games. I mean I know there has to be coding in the Shepard for it to be able to detect the import from the first game despite it coming from the second. I always throught that be a good enough reward and if you really wanna complete 100% of the Achievements or Trophies one would go through the trouble to get the other games. There are people who are addictive to getting 100% of these things on their games.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

I don't like the idea of denying people content, but thinking about the hours I put in one and two to make sure I got the best outcome it would be pretty irritating if the new players had every companion alive and well as default canon, bar the Virmire sacrifice obviously.

[Juha81FIN]

I really hope that decision to keep rachni queen alive after Noveria and Helena Blake has meaning in final game and not something like new comers can select an option at the start of the game that they would be alive. Same goes for Zhus Hope and many other decisions through out ME2. I´ ve been waiting to see how these small side plots develop and it would be disappointmet if I had an option to select who or what survived or didn´t at the beginning of the game for new ME3 characters. Feels like whole continuity would be broken.

[Medhia Nox]

Well - first off. Nothing's fair and you don't deserve anything in life. That's a fallacy your parents told you (and our parents told us - you're not alone)

That being said - your "exclusive" content will be the huge backstory your Shepard will have having gone through two previous games and actually playing them.

Remember in DA 2 when you were told - not shown why - to care for your family at the very beginning? (slight spoiler next sentence) Remember how you were supposed to feel bad that someone dies? Well - it'll be like that for someone picking up ME 3.

So - you see - you really are benefiting far more than someone who doesn't play 1 and 2. Your reward has been given.

[The Interloper]

I support minor additions.

[LeonBrass]

^ this

Tho I agree some bonus power, extra creds and the like would be nice.

[Faust1979]

making a trilogy of games like this is hard. People who buy the new game without playing through the last games will at least need to be able to understand what is happening. Just look at how Xenosaga turned out the sales dropped and if you came into the series late you were screwed

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Juha81FIN wrote...

I really hope that decision to keep rachni queen alive after Noveria and Helena Blake has meaning in final game and not something like new comers can select an option at the start of the game that they would be alive. Same goes for Zhus Hope and many other decisions through out ME2. I´ ve been waiting to see how these small side plots develop and it would be disappointmet if I had an option to select who or what survived or didn´t at the beginning of the game for new ME3 characters. Feels like whole continuity would be broken.

It's already been said both in this topic and also by the devs. There is going to be something akin to 'Genesis' that new players can use at start of the game to factor in key choices from the previous games.

Helena Blake isn't one of them but the Rachni Queen will be because it was in the ME2 Genesis. As for Zhu's Hope it didn't even get mentioned although just as with 'Default' ME2 shep for PC/360 it treated it as if Shepard had killed most of the colonists and there was only some left behind who had gone to earth but still suffering thanks to that crazy Asari, oh yeah and Shiala was dead.

I really don't understand how you can think that just because they are allowing ME3 players to have access to a Genesis type thing is going to break continuity? In fact, it makes no sense whatsoever why you think that.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 14 juin 2011 - 10:42 .

[Alamar2078]

I don't mind [too much] that new players can easily see 99% of the content of the game. After all isn't that what the interactive comic is for so you can make [different] big choices and have the little ones filled in for you??

Also if I were trying to market a game I would hope that I wouldn't shoot myself in the foot and give new players a sub-optimal experience.

Also Nox has a good point that doesn't need further elaboration.

[billywaffles]

The only reward you will get seems to be more mails at your private terminal ~30 extra minutes reading of extra-content. And maybe an exp bonus for importing.

[Thrombin]

Christina Norman has already tweeted on this subject:

http://twitter.com/#...006769912446976

"If you import your me2 character to me3 there will be huge rewards beyond the inherent reward of continuing your story"

I think all the protestations about ME3 being the best place to start the trilogy is just for marketing as they don't want to put off people who haven't played ME1 and ME2 by making it sound like they won't get the most out of it without playing two other games that aren't as good.

Modifié par Thrombin, 14 juin 2011 - 11:03 .

[Juha81FIN]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

I really hope that decision to keep rachni queen alive after Noveria and Helena Blake has meaning in final game and not something like new comers can select an option at the start of the game that they would be alive. Same goes for Zhus Hope and many other decisions through out ME2. I´ ve been waiting to see how these small side plots develop and it would be disappointmet if I had an option to select who or what survived or didn´t at the beginning of the game for new ME3 characters. Feels like whole continuity would be broken.

It's already been said both in this topic and also by the devs. There is going to be something akin to 'Genesis' that new players can use at start of the game to factor in key choices from the previous games.

Helena Blake isn't one of them but the Rachni Queen will be because it was in the ME2 Genesis. As for Zhu's Hope it didn't even get mentioned although just as with 'Default' ME2 shep for PC/360 it treated it as if Shepard had killed most of the colonists and there was only some left behind who had gone to earth but still suffering thanks to that crazy Asari, oh yeah and Shiala was dead.

I really don't understand how you can think that just because they are allowing ME3 players to have access to a Genesis type thing is going to break continuity? In fact, it makes no sense whatsoever why you think that.

That is how I feel, no reason to go back to previous games in series just because I can pick whatever decision I like. Please don´t get me wrong ofcourse I understand why they brought genesis for ME2 (I don´t own it) and I still enjoy playing ME1, once in a while.