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[Someone With Mass]

rumination888 wrote...

James Raynor wrote...

it's true that each race would have reasons to just care for itself but seeing the Reapers vastly outnumber them and are superior technologically it's better to stand united than to die alone wouldn't you agree?

Gabey5 wrote...
The Qurians have a fleet of junk

I just want to point out that the Quarian Fleet took down a Reaper with a single orbital strike in the E3 demo.

And I like to point out that it didn't die. It got right back up after like ten seconds. They pissed it off at best.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Aside from the myriad of problems Commander Shepard has solved throughout 1 and 2 and the ****load of favours s/he should be able to call upon (depending on your choices, I suppose), surely any rational sentient being would realize the giant ancient spaceships intent on wiping out all natural life might just be a threat to them.

I hope the main quest amounts to more than gather allies then fight the bad guys, again.

[James Raynor]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

yes if the US left things as they were in Europe during WW2 I think that Germany and its allies would probably try to take over the world

[James Raynor]

Someone With Mass wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

James Raynor wrote...

it's true that each race would have reasons to just care for itself but seeing the Reapers vastly outnumber them and are superior technologically it's better to stand united than to die alone wouldn't you agree?

Gabey5 wrote...
The Qurians have a fleet of junk

I just want to point out that the Quarian Fleet took down a Reaper with a single orbital strike in the E3 demo.

And I like to point out that it didn't die. It got right back up after like ten seconds. They pissed it off at best.

yes just what I wanted to point out

[The Elder King]

Malanek999 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

Believe it or not, back in 1940 it was US policy not to get involved in foreign policy at all. That changed dramatically with Pearl Harbour.

Someone think that USA would have entered in WW2 even without Pearl Harbour. I'm not sure what of the two theories is right. Plus, USA was already helping England with massive resources.

On topic, in my opinion it's natural to come to aid your ally (other than the fact that they know that they'll be next) Plus, the Reapers are probably invading other species, at least Turians and Krogans homeworld.

Modifié par hhh89, 14 juin 2011 - 09:36 .

[Bio Addict]

To save all of the sexy, sexy human ladies I assume.

[Malanek]

James Raynor wrote...
yes if the US left things as they were in Europe during WW2 I think that Germany and its allies would probably try to take over the world

Nah, Germany was screwed when Hitler decided to go into Russia...and stay there during winter. Probably the biggest mistake in earths millitary history.

[The Elder King]

Malanek999 wrote...

James Raynor wrote...
yes if the US left things as they were in Europe during WW2 I think that Germany and its allies would probably try to take over the world

Nah, Germany was screwed when Hitler decided to go into Russia...and stay there during winter. Probably the biggest mistake in earths millitary history.

Well, it' wasn't the first to try and fail to conquer Russia. Napoleone failed too.

[RolandX9]

Gabey5 wrote...

What would a good case be..

from what i gather every race will be going through their own problems and defending there territory..why should they send everything they have to save humanity?

It's not just about saving the Earth.

The details may be different (harvest humanity, exterminate everyone else), but the results are the same: everyone dies. "Humanity" may live on as black goo, but there won't be any humans left. If there's anything left of the other species, it'll be repurposed remnants a la the Collectors. And there are a lot of Reapers on Earth. It's really simple: find a way to take out the Earth invasion, and the galaxy might have a fighting chance. Otherwise, it's back to the 50,000 year alarm clock. Hang together or hang separately.

[jbblue05]

Unless the aliens are kicking Reaper ass or the Reapers are focusing only on Humanity.  I find it hard to believe we will get a lot of assistance.

It doesn't do the Reaper threat justice if all galactic life teams up and systematically destroy the Reapers. THe Reapers tactics seem to be internal sabotage divided and conquer.  The Reapers will surely distract  potential human reinforcements

I don't want the Reaper threat getting nerfed.  I like the idea of recruiting a very limited amount of allies and using them as fodder to buy Shepard time to unleash the Deus Ex Machinima.

Modifié par jbblue05, 14 juin 2011 - 09:42 .

[McBaal]

I dont think the council races would realy consider to help the humans. Not until their own interests are in danger. If they help to fight the Reapers, they would have to admit that Shepard was right and they made huge mistakes. I think the other citadel races will try to ignorre the genocide on earth or call it a human only problem. And that they are sure humanity can handle it on their own. Thats what i expect from them, and thats the time i would shoot them or take over the citadel by force with my aliied Geth, Krogan and Rachnii buddies. After all the citadel is the key, since it enables a nonstop route to every mass effect relay in the galaxy. Control the citadels portal and you will have the initiative on when and where to fight the Reapers. As hard as it sounds, earth maybe not the right place to face the toasters. But by leading them into a trap with Shepard as bate, earth might be rescued. Thats what we call "the art of war"

[Bluko]

Humanity invented Medigel. If the other species want to revive their companions or keep them alive they is gonna need us.

Udina:"You wanted proof, there it is."
vas Qwib Qwib:"Objection withdrawn."

[HunterX6]

Shepard has helped the galaxy before so they respect and or fear him. Also shepard helping them with their problems will make them more willing to join and make a galactic fleet against the reapers planet by planet, maybe earth should be a key place to send the fleet because maybe something big will be happening at earth that must be destroyed as fast as shepard and all the races can.

[rumination888]

Someone With Mass wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

James Raynor wrote...

it's true that each race would have reasons to just care for itself but seeing the Reapers vastly outnumber them and are superior technologically it's better to stand united than to die alone wouldn't you agree?

Gabey5 wrote...
The Qurians have a fleet of junk

I just want to point out that the Quarian Fleet took down a Reaper with a single orbital strike in the E3 demo.

And I like to point out that it didn't die. It got right back up after like ten seconds. They pissed it off at best.

Knocking a Reaper down with a single strike is still more than what the Citadel/Alliance/Turian fleet combined managed to pull off in ME1. Shepard had to take out what was essentially Sovereign's core after it merged with Saren before they could even scratch the Reaper.

All I'm sayin' is that the "fleet of junk" is packing some serious heat now.

[jbblue05]

rumination888 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

James Raynor wrote...

it's true that each race would have reasons to just care for itself but seeing the Reapers vastly outnumber them and are superior technologically it's better to stand united than to die alone wouldn't you agree?

Gabey5 wrote...
The Qurians have a fleet of junk

I just want to point out that the Quarian Fleet took down a Reaper with a single orbital strike in the E3 demo.

And I like to point out that it didn't die. It got right back up after like ten seconds. They pissed it off at best.

Knocking a Reaper down with a single strike is still more than what the Citadel/Alliance/Turian fleet combined managed to pull off in ME1. Shepard had to take out what was essentially Sovereign's core after it merged with Saren before they could even scratch the Reaper.

All I'm sayin' is that the "fleet of junk" is packing some serious heat now.

The Reapers shields weren't up.

Unless some of the Reapers don't have shields I douibt wie can kill one Reaper by skill and not luck unless their is a way to turn off their shields

[The Elder King]

Guys, you should remember that, from the news of the various articles that Earth isn't the only objective of the Reapers. The Reapers are invading the galaxy. Other aliens homeworld have been attacked by the Reapers.

[jamesp81]

Gabey5 wrote...

What would a good case be..

from what i gather every race will be going through their own problems and defending there territory..why should they send everything they have to save humanity?



The Turians would probably rev up their ship building and defend their own space and let humanity get its ass kicked for a few weeks/years
the asari and salarians would bide time
The batarians would Laugh themselves to sleep every night
The Qurians have a fleet of junk
The Geth will do what is best for them
The elcor and hanar are minor


Will running a few errand secure the various races undying loyalty?

it should be interesting

Ben Franklin foresaw this situation and summed up it nicely:

"If we don't hang together, we all shall surely hang separately."

The read I get is that you help the aliens secure their worlds and, in return, they help take back Earth.

[Icinix]

hhh89 wrote...

Guys, you should remember that, from the news of the various articles that Earth isn't the only objective of the Reapers. The Reapers are invading the galaxy. Other aliens homeworld have been attacked by the Reapers.

Yeah, but the whole premise of the game seems to be about taking back the Earth....


..it still concerns me about the whole of ME3...but time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell...

*cue hell march Red Alert song*

[Someone With Mass]

Considering that the Alliance fleet was utterly destroyed in the initial attack, I don't think we have much choice.

[Someone With Mass]

rumination888 wrote...
Knocking a Reaper down with a single strike is still more than what the Citadel/Alliance/Turian fleet combined managed to pull off in ME1. Shepard had to take out what was essentially Sovereign's core after it merged with Saren before they could even scratch the Reaper.

All I'm sayin' is that the "fleet of junk" is packing some serious heat now.

Shepard is in the way. If they wanted, they could most likely glass that part of the planet, but it'd kill Shepard in the process, so I think they're just using small stuff on the Reaper.

[The Elder King]

Icinix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Guys, you should remember that, from the news of the various articles that Earth isn't the only objective of the Reapers. The Reapers are invading the galaxy. Other aliens homeworld have been attacked by the Reapers.

Yeah, but the whole premise of the game seems to be about taking back the Earth....


..it still concerns me about the whole of ME3...but time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell...

*cue hell march Red Alert song*

I think because Earh is under the major attack., and it's already fallen under the Reapers. From what we know the other homeworld attacked hasn't falled under them.

[Dean_the_Young]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

If I could forward the words of someone with a military history minor, there's also the analogy of why the Germans were fought in Europe: because that's where the ****s could reliably be found. You couldn't find many Germans in, say, Latin America.

While clearly the Reapers are present and attacking other planets, they aren't necessarily as invested in those areas. They can raid, rather than occupy: if the battle starts turning against them too much, they can simply leave. They really have no reason not to flee if, say, the Turian fleet shows up ready to eject them from over the Turian homeworld. Reapers are only around as long as they want to stay around.

But it's planets that they've captured and occupied, however, that the Reapers can be found at our inclination. And it's the planets that they want to defend, or at least continue to hold, where they'll be compelled to either put up a fight or surrender the objective. And since the Reapers have shown that they want a Human Reaper enough to conquer and occupy an entire home-planet, a world of billions to be controlled rather than millions...


From the looks of it, Earth isn't simply a humanitarian crisis to be helped. Earth is the bait to keep the Reapers in place, and the anvil against which to smash them.



Or so I'm sure you're intending to imply. :innocent:

[jamesp81]

hhh89 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Guys, you should remember that, from the news of the various articles that Earth isn't the only objective of the Reapers. The Reapers are invading the galaxy. Other aliens homeworld have been attacked by the Reapers.

Yeah, but the whole premise of the game seems to be about taking back the Earth....


..it still concerns me about the whole of ME3...but time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell...

*cue hell march Red Alert song*

I think because Earh is under the major attack., and it's already fallen under the Reapers. From what we know the other homeworld attacked hasn't falled under them.

The Turian homeworld, actually, is apparently also going to get its ass handed to it in similar fashion.