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[The Elder King]

jamesp81 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...



I think because Earh is under the major attack., and it's already fallen under the Reapers. From what we know the other homeworld attacked hasn't falled under them.

The Turian homeworld, actually, is apparently also going to get its ass handed to it in similar fashion.

From the news we've got they have evacuated the population on other places (a nearby moon). But yes, Palaven seems to get a similar treatment, with the exception that the turian fleet will probably not be half-destroyed by the Reapers.

Modifié par hhh89, 14 juin 2011 - 10:14 .

[Chris Priestly]

It was not a perfect metaphor by any means, but I think you get the gist of what I was saying.

[thesilverlinedviking]

Because when they're attacking Earth they're at their weakest and concentrated on one planet.

[marshalleck]

Chris Priestly wrote...

It was not a perfect metaphor by any means, but I think you get the gist of what I was saying.

Too late man. ME3 is now ruined forever.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I saved them, twice. First from Sovereign and the Geth in ME1 and then from the Collectors in ME2 and yes the Collectors were eventually going to do something to the aliens. I'm hoping that they're planning on returning the favor, besides if they don't fight the Reapers they will die all the same.

[jbblue05]

thesilverlinedviking wrote...

Because when they're attacking Earth they're at their weakest and concentrated on one planet.

I'm  not so sure engaging Soveriegn was nearly impossible imagine engaging a dozen or even a hundred reapers.
If the Reapers are heavily concentrated on Earth(Milky Way) we might as well destory the entire star system

[The Elder King]

SwobyJ wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

No one did a thing until Pearl Harbor. US was relatively fine with parts of Europe being defeated by the Germans.

If you're talking about military support, sure. But US gave England a massive economical support before Pear Harbour.

[The Elder King]

makalathbonagin wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

"Helped" you say?  Well most of the dirty work was done by russians, americans were  there to make sure USSR didn't comunize  western countries
plz don't mind me.. this is offtopic but i really hate overrated historical info about teh great american derphelp what a bunch of bs. Nvm

They both helped greatly in my opinion (I mean both Americans and Russians). Still better than France and China, that have been proclaimed "winner countries of WW2" without helping that much.

Modifié par hhh89, 14 juin 2011 - 10:30 .

[Aimi]

hhh89 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Nah, Germany was screwed when Hitler decided to go into Russia...and stay there during winter. Probably the biggest mistake in earths millitary history.

Well, it' wasn't the first to try and fail to conquer Russia. Napoleone failed too.

Germany invaded Russia and won in the First World War.  Saying that "invading Russia" is qua invading Russia a mistake is simply wrong.

With regard to the original topic, why should the humans defend the Citadel?  These states are allies, even if Shepard is a Renegade.  

[Medhia Nox]

Honestly - it's very practical to battle the Reapers on another species home world.

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The only thing I'm going to be SERIOUSLY unhappy about (though not nerdrage unhappy - just "le sigh" unhappy) is when humanity somehow becomes more powerful and rules everything after this war.

If a severely diminished humanity - no longer capable of holding any real power in the galaxy - is allowed to still have an honored position on the Council because of their extreme sacrifices... then I'll be happy.

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I'm also going to be unhappy if races like the Elcor, Volus, Hanar, and even Batarians don't get a chance to shine. This is a huge galactic war that everyone should be part of... if these "client" races are left out, I'll be less impressed with the story. 

The Volus have always longed for a Council seat - here's their chance to earn it. 

But they can't fight? Well - do they have spaceships? Can they press "FIRE"?  Yeah - they can fight. 

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 14 juin 2011 - 10:40 .

[Chris Priestly]

Please DO NOT take this off topic discussing the socio-political discussion of WWII. It was just a badly chosen metaphor.

Back to ME3 please.

[Hathur]

makalathbonagin wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

"Helped" you say?  Well most of the dirty work was done by russians, americans were  there to make sure USSR didn't comunize  western countries
plz don't mind me.. this is offtopic but i really hate overrated historical info about teh great american derphelp what a bunch of bs. Nvm

Let's also kindly not forget the countless number of British & Canadian troops that spent 2 years being slaughtered by German forces in a futile, desperate struggle to resist German occupation... Russian sacrifices were clearly horrific and astronomical - and their contribution in fighting the Germans was beyond measure... but the Brits and Canadians threw a helluva lot of men into the meat grinder for 2 years before the Americans were finally forced into contributing more than just money & guns...

It was a sore sticking point for some of the Canadian veterans I knew through my grandfather.

EDIT: apologies for off-topic.. best we drop it

On topic.... I'll be bloody annoyed if I don't see the minor races contribute something... Volus, Hanar, Elcor... all of them have got contribute... if not with fighting forces then at least with resources or something else... They'd better not just sit on the sidelines and let the bigger races do all the heavy lifting... especially seeing as they want a seat on the counci... well, time for them to pull up their bootstraps and earn it 

Modifié par Hathur, 14 juin 2011 - 10:47 .

[Halfdan The Menace]

hhh89 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

James Raynor wrote...
yes if the US left things as they were in Europe during WW2 I think that Germany and its allies would probably try to take over the world

Nah, Germany was screwed when Hitler decided to go into Russia...and stay there during winter. Probably the biggest mistake in earths millitary history.

Well, it' wasn't the first to try and fail to conquer Russia. Napoleone failed too.

LOL!   what idiots would think that they can conquer Russia? because in Soviet Russia, Russians eat you!

[Sheepie Crusher]

Someone With Mass wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

James Raynor wrote...

it's true that each race would have reasons to just care for itself but seeing the Reapers vastly outnumber them and are superior technologically it's better to stand united than to die alone wouldn't you agree?

Gabey5 wrote...
The Qurians have a fleet of junk

I just want to point out that the Quarian Fleet took down a Reaper with a single orbital strike in the E3 demo.

And I like to point out that it didn't die. It got right back up after like ten seconds. They pissed it off at best.

The Reapers' primary defence is their shields and when a ship lands on a planet it has to deactivate it's shields, and seeing how Sovereign's armor faired against a projectile from the first Normandy, the Migrant Fleet's firepower is pathetic indeed

[The Elder King]

nevermind

Modifié par hhh89, 14 juin 2011 - 10:45 .

[Malanek]

daqs wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Nah, Germany was screwed when Hitler decided to go into Russia...and stay there during winter. Probably the biggest mistake in earths millitary history.

Well, it' wasn't the first to try and fail to conquer Russia. Napoleone failed too.

Germany invaded Russia and won in the First World War.  Saying that "invading Russia" is qua invading Russia a mistake is simply wrong.

My knowledge of WW1 is much more limited than WW2 but are you absolutely sure about this? As far as I am aware Russia was the one doing all the invading in WW1, mainly against Asutria-Hungary. I didn't think the Germans even set foot in Russia. I suspect you are thinking about Poland?

[TheZanSnake]

I see it as a foreshadowing of the other species home-planets, and what they face afterwards, or in the nearing future.

If some ancient **** alien species who had a goal of wiping out all of the known organic life in the galaxy is here, i would want as many allies as i could gather and battle head-on!

Just a suicidal battle plan for you

[Bio Addict]

In short, self preservation. I imagine the line of thinking might be something like "We can deal with the Reapers now on Earth or later on Sur'Kesh.," to utilize a Salarian example.

I'd also like to express my astonishment at a thread mentioning the US war effort in WW2 going a whole half a page before becoming an America bashing fest. That's got to be a record.

[DragonIroh001]

Sheepie Crusher wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

James Raynor wrote...

it's true that each race would have reasons to just care for itself but seeing the Reapers vastly outnumber them and are superior technologically it's better to stand united than to die alone wouldn't you agree?

Gabey5 wrote...
The Qurians have a fleet of junk

I just want to point out that the Quarian Fleet took down a Reaper with a single orbital strike in the E3 demo.

And I like to point out that it didn't die. It got right back up after like ten seconds. They pissed it off at best.

The Reapers' primary defence is their shields and when a ship lands on a planet it has to deactivate it's shields, and seeing how Sovereign's armor faired against a projectile from the first Normandy, the Migrant Fleet's firepower is pathetic indeed

When they land on a planet yes, but for all we know Reapers can activate their shields after they land. We only know some of their capabilities.

[Wulfram]

If I was the Turians I might consider that the Reapers are probably considerably less effective when stuck in the Earth's atmosphere and gravity. So sending in my fleet of dreadnoughts to bombard them might be a good idea.

Not sure this would be welcomed by anyone left on earth, however.

[Aimi]

Malanek999 wrote...

daqs wrote...

Germany invaded Russia and won in the First World War.  Saying that "invading Russia" is qua invading Russia a mistake is simply wrong.

My knowledge of WW1 is much more limited than WW2 but are you absolutely sure about this? As far as I am aware Russia was the one doing all the invading in WW1, mainly against Asutria-Hungary. I didn't think the Germans even set foot in Russia. I suspect you are thinking about Poland?

Poland was part of Russia in the First World War.

Anyway, German troops seized Russian Poland in 1915, drove back the Brusilov Offensive in 1916, and during the course of 1915-7 launched further offensives that conquered most of the territory of what is now the Baltic States (under Russian control at that time) and Ukraine (also under Russian control at that time).  At the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk that ended the war in March 1918, Germany forced Bolshevik Russia (the Bolsheviks had seized control of the government but had not yet created the USSR, that was in 1922) to give up something like a third of European Russia.  German troops occupied much of that territory before the defeats on the Western Front forced Germany to withdraw.

It's very true that Russia launched several attacks on Germany and Austria-Hungary during the war.  In 1914, Russia invaded East Prussia (and lost at the Battle of Tannenberg) and Austrian Galicia (and conquered it all).  Throughout the winter of 1914-5, Russian troops maintained their offensive in the northeastern Habsburg Empire, reaching the Carpathian Mountains, before the Central Powers' offensive at Gorlice-Tarnow in the spring of 1915 forced them to withdraw.  Russia again attacked the eastern portion of Austrian Galicia in 1916 during the Brusilov Offensive, but early victories were squandered as the Russians uselessly poured in more and more troops and materiel.  Further Russian offensives were damp squibs; one, in the summer of 1917 (the so-called "Kerensky Offensive") proved to be the nail in the coffin of the Provisional Government.

Modifié par daqs, 14 juin 2011 - 11:07 .

[Malanek]

Bio Addict wrote...
I'd also like to express my astonishment at a thread mentioning the US war effort in WW2 going a whole half a page before becoming an America bashing fest. That's got to be a record.

It really isn't an America bashing fest. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to go to war. And even though Britain/Russia would have inevitably defeated Germany in WW2 without US intervention, US intervention helped end the war possibly years earlier and save millions of lives than it would have otherwise. The Brits didn't have the resources to do a "Normandy" and Russia didn't have the logistics to make fast progress. So it would have just attritional bombing of German factories and cities. As has also been pointed out, Roosevelt did lend economic assistance before Pearl Harbour.