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[rumination888]

Sheepie Crusher wrote...

The Reapers' primary defence is their shields and when a ship lands on a planet it has to deactivate it's shields, and seeing how Sovereign's armor faired against a projectile from the first Normandy, the Migrant Fleet's firepower is pathetic indeed

Is there a difference between landing on a planet and landing on a surface with artificial gravity?
Because Sovereign landed on the Citadel and its shields obviously didn't go down.

Casey Hudson: "In this demo, Shepard is attempting to destroy a Reaper base. And with the Normandy overhead, and a fleet in orbit, Commander Shepards gonna call in some heavy firepower"

I have no idea why its so hard for people to understand that a race that invented the Geth would invent weapons that can destroy AI... AI like the Reapers. Heck, the events in ME2 that you witnessed inside the Migrant Fleet practically set that up.

Modifié par rumination888, 14 juin 2011 - 11:09 .

[NYG1991]

i think OP kinda answered his own question. None of the different races are able to mount any significant resistance alone. everyone's best chance lies in uniting forces to fight the reapers. It seems like Shep's job will be to get this point across.

[mopotter]

I'd think they would want to fight it away from their planets. Plus not all of them dislike us.

[ShadowSplicer]

For one, most would respect the race that saved the Citadel and the council during the events of Mass Effect. Second, Shepard tried warning them all, and they didn't listen. It's time to make up for that. If you didn't save the Council... Well, then I guess they're all **** out of luck because it's all humans!

[Someone With Mass]

Sheepie Crusher wrote...
The Reapers' primary defence is their shields and when a ship lands on a planet it has to deactivate it's shields, and seeing how Sovereign's armor faired against a projectile from the first Normandy, the Migrant Fleet's firepower is pathetic indeed

Same can be said about the Normandy's firepower.

[EternalPink]

Now that humans are fully in the council from either ending of ME1 i'd think the turians would see it as there duty to help although if the council from ME1 is dead it would most likely be a unwilling duty grudgingly fulfilled but still fulfilled since there entire society is based around the concept.

With the Asari and there fragmented city state homeworld i think the challenge would be getting a big enough audience to get enough of them to agree to make a difference and the same with the salarians since neither species is particularly populous.

Think the hard races to convince would be the krogan, geth, quarrians, non-council races like elcor etc and non-alliance human and peeps that live in the ME shady world of crime

[onelifecrisis]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

So the other races aren't already under attack then?

I thought the reapers were going to "darken the sky of every world"? Was Sovereign just bluffing?

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 14 juin 2011 - 11:36 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

So the other races aren't already under attack then?

In one of the E3 vids, Jesse Houston mentioned how the Reapers are kind of attacking from the south of the milky way and making their way up...

So besides Sol (our system), that pretty much also means the system Tuchanka is in is going to be screwed really early on too seeing as that system is right near Sol.

[GreenDragon37]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

So the other races aren't already under attack then?

I thought the reapers were going to "darken the sky of every world"? Was Sovereign just bluffing?

They are, but it's not as bad as Earth.

[element eater]

Chris Priestly wrote...

It was not a perfect metaphor by any means, but I think you get the gist of what I was saying.

indeed it was  a poor use of History, i am amazed i managed to restrain myself for picking on your comment i must be making progress.

Modifié par element eater, 15 juin 2011 - 01:10 .

[onelifecrisis]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

So the other races aren't already under attack then?

In one of the E3 vids, Jesse Houston mentioned how the Reapers are kind of attacking from the south of the milky way and making their way up...

So besides Sol (our system), that pretty much also means the system Tuchanka is in is going to be screwed really early on too seeing as that system is right near Sol.

Why don't they just use the relays to go everywhere?

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 14 juin 2011 - 11:45 .

[mr_luga]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

US came to aid in WW2 becouse they attack Pearl Harbor, they didnt care much before that -.-

[Medhia Nox]

@OneLifeCrisis: And remember, when Sovereign was making his threats - his species was going to use the Conduit to sucker punch the Citadel races. Now - they have to take the "long way round".

If each race can provide resistance on their planet AND at their conduit - the Reapers are going to be crushed. I see this as being devastating to Earth and humanity because they were "next on the list" for the WHOLE Reaper fleet. But I see the other races getting through this "relatively" unscathed.

The Reapers couldn't use the Batarian relay... because someone blowed it up. So - they had to all travel to the Sol system and use Earth's ME relay to spread out to other systems.

Plus - I'm sure they know Shepard is on Earth and he's already done so much damage for one organic mite - that the Reapers HAVE to be panicking.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 14 juin 2011 - 11:49 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

They should help defend earth because it is about time they realised that... humans are superior! and we are the only ones who are going to save the buttwheats from certain death:wizard:

[jamesp81]

mr_luga wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Basically for the same reasons the US eventually came to the aid of the allies in World War 2. It was the right thing to do, it helped prevent needless slaughter, they had their own vested interests in teh area under attack and leaving the attacking force alone would potentially leave them open for attack sometime in the future.

More or less anyways. I am not a history major or anything.

US came to aid in WW2 becouse they attack Pearl Harbor, they didnt care much before that -.-

I wouldn't say the US didn't care.  But caring about problems and jumping into a global war, that you could very well lose, to solve those problems are two very different things.  If you miscalculate you could easily make things worse.

In the case of WW2, however, that choice was made for the US.  Whether you believe the theories about the US wanting to get into the war or not, the Japanese attack on Dec 7 1941, followed by the German declaration of war the following day, ensured the US was in it.  While defeating the Axis powers was a matter of national defense for the US, it was also considered worthwhile from a human standpoint to put an end to the many atrocities committed by the dominant political powers in Japan and Germany at that time.

[onelifecrisis]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@OneLifeCrisis: And remember, when Sovereign was making his threats - his species was going to use the Conduit to sucker punch the Citadel races. Now - they have to take the "long way round".

Yeah, but by the time ME3 kicks off they've done that. It's in the past.

If each race can provide resistance on their planet AND at their conduit - the Reapers are going to be crushed. I see this as being devastating to Earth and humanity because they were "next on the list" for the WHOLE Reaper fleet. But I see the other races getting through this "relatively" unscathed.

Reapers "crushed"? Are you serious? They wiped out Earth's entire fleet almost instantly. At E3 we saw a fairly small reaper take a direct hit from the Normandy and then a bullseye Orbital Strike, and it wasn't even scratched.

The Reapers couldn't use the Batarian relay... because someone blowed it up. So - they had to all travel to the Sol system and use Earth's ME relay to spread out to other systems.

Again, that's in the past. Once they reach the Sol relay, or ANY relay, they can be anywhere in the galaxy within hours. So why stay at Earth when they have the numbers and the means to take every planet at once?

Plus - I'm sure they know Shepard is on Earth and he's already done so much damage for one organic mite - that the Reapers HAVE to be panicking.

Well there is always that. So far, Shepard has not talked to a reaper face to face, only through holos and such. If they allowed him to live he might get into a proper conversation with them in person, and then he could top-left-blue them all into submission...

[cactusberry]

Because Reapers aren't going to take only Earth and leave... Everyone's at risk here.

[Medhia Nox]

@onelifecrisis - we technically don't even need the Thanix weaponry to destroy the Reapers. This is shown in ME 1.

Now - we have this weaponry (or, the Turians do) and it destroyed the uber-powerful Collector base in two shots.

Now - give thousands of ship these weapons.

===

My theory?

When the Earth is attacked - nobody believes the Reapers are really coming. We have, after all, dismissed those claims.

The Alliance ships don't have Thanix weaponry, and are not even prepared for the Reapers at all.

But - once the Reapers are obvious... the Turians will be fitting the Asari, Volus, Elcor, Quarians, and anyone else with a ship with those weapons.

=====

I'm sorry - the defeat is a foregone conclusion.

It's just getting there now with the Earth in tact that's the trick.

Enter - Commander Shepard, Galactic Badass and soon to be Savior of Terra Firma.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 15 juin 2011 - 12:04 .

[RunicDragons]

Well, it's simply because of the: 'If we save them, they'll probably return the favor later' and the 'If we don't eliminate the reaper threat now, we are all screwed in the future.'

Modifié par RunicDragons, 15 juin 2011 - 12:07 .

[nitrog100]

Maybe all you need to do to get the Turians to fight is prove to thei councilor that the Reapers do in fact exist...it seems like pretty easy choice to fight the Reapers as a really large group. The Protheans never had that luxury.

[onelifecrisis]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@onelifecrisis - we technically don't even need the Thanix weaponry to destroy the Reapers. This is shown in ME 1.

Now - we have this weaponry (or, the Turians do) and it destroyed the uber-powerful Collector base in two shots.

Now - give thousands of ship these weapons.

===

My theory?

When the Earth is attacked - nobody believes the Reapers are really coming. We have, after all, dismissed those claims.

The Alliance ships don't have Thanix weaponry, and are not even prepared for the Reapers at all.

But - once the Reapers are obvious... the Turians will be fitting the Asari, Volus, Elcor, Quarians, and anyone else with a ship with those weapons.

=====

I'm sorry - the defeat is a foregone conclusion.

It's just getting there now with the Earth in tact that's the trick.

Enter - Commander Shepard, Galactic Badass and soon to be Savior of Terra Firma.

The normandy blew up the collector cruiser, not the base - and certainly not a reaper. But anyway...

You're saying that because the Turians managed to make one gun based on reaper tech, that all we have to do is put one of those on every ship then the reapers are totally outclassed? Sorry, I don't buy it. We may have a reaperish gun, but we still lack reaper shields, reaper sensors, reaper engines, reaper armor, reaper cyberwarfware equipment...

[knightnblu]

"While defeating the Axis powers was a matter of national defense for the US, it was also considered worthwhile from a human standpoint to put an end to the many atrocities committed by the dominant political powers in Japan and Germany at that time."

Humanitarian reasons had nothing to do with the decision to wage war. America had suffered a sneak attack and we wanted vengeance for the Japanese perfidy. Further, nobody really even knew about the German and Japanese atrocities until much later in the fighting. Despite the naming of humanitarian reasons as one of the triggers of the U.S. entry into the war, it really had nothing to do with it hence the term "fog of war."

The same could be said of the other races when it comes to aiding humanity. They will need to be shown how this helps them, not how it helps us. This is because they will expend lives, starships, and material to defend Earth and if it all goes to pot they will be left defenseless when the Reapers move on to them. The problem could be eased if the galaxy realizes the danger that it faces.

As far as the Alliance fleet is concerned it was destroyed in minutes after the Reapers arrival in the Sol system, leaving Earth defenseless. The ground forces are being ground into a powder and civilians are dying in the millions. We are outclassed, outmaneuvered, and up against the ropes. If the galaxy does not come to our aid then Earth is finished.

In short, it doesn't look good. That said, Shepard has the only record against the Reapers and it is a winning one, but he needs to convince the alien governments that they need to grant him their militaries or they will be destroyed in time, falling one after the other like dominoes. Further, Shepard needs to lead these fleets or at least, to coordinate them.

That means that Shepard will be making strategic as well as tactical decisions while carrying out diplomatic and covert missions. Should be fun.

[Ianamus]

Because Shepard has spent the entire game solving all of their problems.

[Blastback]

Becasue I asked nicely.