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[Yakko77]

Sparroww wrote...

Has Armistan Banes been explained yet?

He's dead but he's not... maybe.

[Chuvvy]

Leviathan of Dis. And the supercomputer planet.

[PsychoBlonde]

I have to say, when I saw this thread title I immediately thought of a Russian guy with fembot-style gun barrels sticking out of his nipples. AND IT WAS HAWT.

My brain. It is a dangerous thing.

[Aurellia]

The biggest Chekov's gun, IMHO, is mind control/indoctrination.

The Reapers depend on it. It wouldn't surprise me if reaper ships are full of keepers or other slaves that keep them functional and provide ground troops.  Yeah they could use robots but they could get a Geth problem on their hands since there is no equivalent of indoctrination for bots.

Also note that we did see Saren and Benezia onboard Sovereign so clearly there is a place for organics and many of them on reapers. How else would they deliver armies of husks?

The first two games had three distinct plot-lines involving a different form of mind control.
1 - Reaper style via "Prothean" artifacts
2 - Thorian style on Feros
3 - Rachni style on Noveria

Recall that Cerberus has been doing research on all 3

So the Checkov's gun is using 2 and/or 3 to disrupt the indoctrination process which could weaken or cripple reaper ships and paralyze husk armies.

Modifié par Aurellia, 18 juin 2011 - 11:44 .

[Uszi]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

But they pretty much beat us over the head with Dark Energy in ME2

I'm also expecting there to be a revelation concerning the biosynthetic parts Cerberus put inot Shepard.

This and...

Aurellia wrote...
....
The first two games had three distinct plot-lines involving a different form of mind control.
1 - Reaper style via "Prothean" artifacts
2 - Thorian style on Feros
3 - Rachni style on Noveria

Recall that Cerberus has been doing research on all 3

So the Checkov's gun is using 2 and/or 3 to disrupt the indoctrination process which could weaken or cripple reaper ships and paralyze husk armies.

This.

Modifié par Uszi, 19 juin 2011 - 01:03 .

[squee365]

1. The star behind the illusive man in his office.
2. The prothean statues on Ilos (why is the picture on the ME2 codec have them all husk like?).
3. The giant mass accelerated round that was fired at that reaper and left a mark on Klendagon (does such a weapon still exist?).
4. Dark Energy

[thetruefreemo]

Aurellia wrote...

The biggest Chekov's gun, IMHO, is mind control/indoctrination.

The Reapers depend on it. It wouldn't surprise me if reaper ships are full of keepers or other slaves that keep them functional and provide ground troops.  Yeah they could use robots but they could get a Geth problem on their hands since there is no equivalent of indoctrination for bots.

Also note that we did see Saren and Benezia onboard Sovereign so clearly there is a place for organics and many of them on reapers. How else would they deliver armies of husks?

The first two games had three distinct plot-lines involving a different form of mind control.
1 - Reaper style via "Prothean" artifacts
2 - Thorian style on Feros
3 - Rachni style on Noveria

Recall that Cerberus has been doing research on all 3

So the Checkov's gun is using 2 and/or 3 to disrupt the indoctrination process which could weaken or cripple reaper ships and paralyze husk armies.

You're forgetting Ardat Yakshi (don't know how to spell that).   

[Aurellia]

thetruefreemo wrote...

Aurellia wrote...

The biggest Chekov's gun, IMHO, is mind control/indoctrination.

The Reapers depend on it. It wouldn't surprise me if reaper ships are full of keepers or other slaves that keep them functional and provide ground troops.  Yeah they could use robots but they could get a Geth problem on their hands since there is no equivalent of indoctrination for bots.

Also note that we did see Saren and Benezia onboard Sovereign so clearly there is a place for organics and many of them on reapers. How else would they deliver armies of husks?

The first two games had three distinct plot-lines involving a different form of mind control.
1 - Reaper style via "Prothean" artifacts
2 - Thorian style on Feros
3 - Rachni style on Noveria

Recall that Cerberus has been doing research on all 3

So the Checkov's gun is using 2 and/or 3 to disrupt the indoctrination process which could weaken or cripple reaper ships and paralyze husk armies.

You're forgetting Ardat Yakshi (don't know how to spell that).   

Strong biotics like Ardat Yakshi is sort of a 4th although it is not as heavily explored as the other 3.  Also it might be a similar mechanism to the Thorian, but still good point:)

[Bogsnot1]

Seeing as noone else has come up with this yet.

[Clonedzero]

some of the things in this thread are far too obscure for them to be good plot points in ME3. hell ive played through ME1&2 many times and i had to mass effect wiki some of the stuff mentioned in here. thats not a good thing.

dark energy and whatever was messing up haelstroms sun will probably be in ME3 though.

[Iakus]

HunterX6 wrote...


2. Planet Junthor= http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Junthor (it seems to be a super advanced and ancient planet now in ruins,maybe even the place where the reapers originated or were created by its creators)

This one, at least, I'm sure we can write off as a reference to the movie Forbidden Planet


As for myself, Im hoping the Lazarus Project turns out to be a Chekov's Gun.  I think it would be absolutely terrible if a medical miracle like that turned out to be nothing more than a reset button for Shepard.

[Iakus]

Clonedzero wrote...

some of the things in this thread are far too obscure for them to be good plot points in ME3. hell ive played through ME1&2 many times and i had to mass effect wiki some of the stuff mentioned in here. thats not a good thing.

dark energy and whatever was messing up haelstroms sun will probably be in ME3 though.

Possibly, but the Klendagon Rift turned out to be instrumental in TIM finding the Derelict Reaper.  So at this point anything's possible.

[Yakko77]

Clonedzero wrote...

some of the things in this thread are far too obscure for them to be good plot points in ME3. hell ive played through ME1&2 many times and i had to mass effect wiki some of the stuff mentioned in here. thats not a good thing.

dark energy and whatever was messing up haelstroms sun will probably be in ME3 though.

If I were a betting man that's what I'd put my wager on.

Another theory I have involves boarding a Relay and modifying it somehow so when the Reapers use it they shoot off into a star or a black hole.

[Blze001]

What about the planet with what are believed to be sarcophagi left behind by an ancient race? Could possess some interesting tech if their burial traditions were anything like the ancient Egyptians.

Yeah, and the oddness surrounding Rotha really piqued my interest.

[Yakko77]

luk4s3d wrote...

HunterX6 wrote...

1. Beings of light=http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Klencory (they supposedly know a way to protect organic beings against the reapers)
2. Planet Junthor= http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Junthor (it seems to be a super advanced and ancient planet now in ruins,maybe even the place where the reapers originated or were created by its creators)
3.Leviathan of Dis= http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Jartar ( it might be a ancient reaper, perhaps the very first, and was betrayed or it wasnt fully completed, either way the batarians might know than we might know)
4. Jupiter brain,ploba= http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Jartar (who knows what kind of surprises a super sized computer might hold if it turns out to be true)

The Leviathon of Dis was Soveriegn, its in the first novel.  
In the Codex entry for Dis, it says the ship was taken by Batarians, right?
In the first novel Saren was working with Batarians to unlock the secrets of what turned out to be Soveriegn. It also says that the Batarians found the ship first, about 20 years earlier. Check the Codex, the times fit. Its as good a confirmation as your gonna get, read between the lines.

Interesting.  I hadn't read the books and that pretty much puts any speculation I had about the Leviathon of Dis to rest.  I'm thankful actually.  Now I can focus my speculation and theories on something more likely to happen.

[Lady Olivia]

squee365 wrote...

1. The star behind the illusive man in his office.
2. The prothean statues on Ilos (why is the picture on the ME2 codec have them all husk like?).
3. The giant mass accelerated round that was fired at that reaper and left a mark on Klendagon (does such a weapon still exist?).
4. Dark Energy

1. TIM's star is (quoting from Retribution): "a red giant-class M star... The star was in the last stages of its six-billion-year life span. As the grand final act culminating its existence, it would collapse in upon itself, creating a black hole to swallow the entire system. The planets and moons it had spawned in its birth would be devoured in the inescapable gravitational pull of the dark, gaping maw left behind by its death."

This description is full of bad astronomy, but there's nothing in it to indicate the kind of strangeness that could turn around and bite the Reapers' asses.

4. Dark energy - it seems everybody agrees that this can be a "Chekov's gun" but I think that, just put like that, it's too vague. ME is dark energy. Biotics is dark energy. It has to be more specific. 

Like with the the host star of Haestrom, from Tali's recruitment mission. She found evidence that somebody or something tempered with the star's natural evolution, accelerating it, and that this was probably done using dark energy. That's my bet for a Chekov's gun.
 
Also, human biotics. The Reapers were mighty interested in that in Retribution.

iakus wrote...

As for myself, Im hoping the Lazarus Project turns out to be a Chekov's Gun.  I think it would be absolutely terrible if a medical miracle like that turned out to be nothing more than a reset button for Shepard.

 
Perhaps this is not the best place for talking about this, but I still don't get what bothers you about the Lazarus project so much. If it's difficult, expensive and weird enough, nobody will do it, even if it's possible in theory. Like space flight nowadays.

Modifié par Lady Olivia, 19 juin 2011 - 07:39 .

[Wolf_in_the_Meadow]

It's true - how many people do you think are actually worth the cost of a small fleet to an organization or government? 

Plus in my opinion it is certain that Lazarus required Reaper tech in the end to actually work.

Modifié par Wolf_in_the_Meadow, 19 juin 2011 - 07:24 .

[2kgnsiika]

 The virtual civilization on CDN.

[kalpain]

Aurellia wrote...

The biggest Chekov's gun, IMHO, is mind control/indoctrination.

The Reapers depend on it. It wouldn't surprise me if reaper ships are full of keepers or other slaves that keep them functional and provide ground troops.  Yeah they could use robots but they could get a Geth problem on their hands since there is no equivalent of indoctrination for bots.

I thought the robot equivalent was the "math error" Legion referred to when talking about the heretics.  They did agree to work with the reapers.  I could have misinterpreted that but I thought that was why they were working with Sovereign.

[anaphysik]

Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...

Something... just occurred to me and it BLEW MY MIND :-|

What if the Reapers are the good guys? What if use of Eezo to produce Mass Effect fields causes an increase in Dark Energy which is the force which causes dissolution in the universe (the reason we're expanding) and so they turn up every 50,000 years to stop the galaxy from being destroyed by the races inhabiting it, which also explains why THEY leave the galaxy and subside into the void between harvests... so THEY don't cause the phenomenon.

So... mass effect is spiral energy and the Reapers are the Anti-Spirals (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurren_Lagann)?
Dear Bioware: where are my giant-faced mechas? : P

[Bad King]

Sparroww wrote...

Has Armistan Banes been explained yet?

It was never clearly explained, but the game seems to hint that Cerberus killed him and used his credentials to brainwash Dr. Michel for medical supplies (to use in their experiments). When Kahoku investigated Cerberus tried to cover it up by killing the marines that were sent by Kahoku.

Either that or Banes faked his own death and voluntarily joined Cerberus.

Modifié par Bad King, 19 juin 2011 - 09:52 .

[SavesTheDay]

Bad King wrote...

Sparroww wrote...

Has Armistan Banes been explained yet?

It was never clearly explained, but the game seems to hint that Cerberus killed him and used his credentials to brainwash Dr. Michel for medical supplies (to use in their experiments). When Kahoku investigated Cerberus tried to cover it up by killing the marines that were sent by Kahoku.

Either that or Banes faked his own death and voluntarily joined Cerberus.

The wiki says that during Admiral Kahoku's investigation, he discovered that Cerberus

was in fact a rogue black ops group that broke away from the Alliance.

Anderson seems really surpised that Shepard would know that name. It's possible that Armistan Banes was already part of Cerberus before they went rogue and the Illusive Man had him killed or that he faked his death.



Or considering the information EDI reveals about the Normandy SR-1 how

Cerberus initially persuaded and backed the Alliance in co-developing the Normandy SR-1 with the turians

they might still be part of the Alliance, but then why wouldn't they know about the Collectors and the Lazarus Project?



Matriarch Dilinaga could be another one. She has writings on Klencory, Ploba, and Junthor, planets that have or could have a connection to the Reapers. There's also Solcrum which has the Matriarch's writing and a Geth base.

Modifié par SavesTheDay, 20 juin 2011 - 01:22 .

[Iakus]

Lady Olivia wrote...

iakus wrote...

As for myself, Im hoping the Lazarus Project turns out to be a Chekov's Gun.  I think it would be absolutely terrible if a medical miracle like that turned out to be nothing more than a reset button for Shepard.

 
Perhaps this is not the best place for talking about this, but I still don't get what bothers you about the Lazarus project so much. If it's difficult, expensive and weird enough, nobody will do it, even if it's possible in theory. Like space flight nowadays.

Yeah it's taken up whole threads in the past, but to sum up my reasoning:

The Lazarus Project just seems way too far advanced, even for the futuristic societies of Mass Effect.  Particularly since the Citadel and Terminus societies seem to have plateaued technologically and culturally in the last several centuries, and are now stagnating.  So where did this technology come from?  A feat as monumental as resurrection seems at least on par with building the Conduit, perhaps more so, since the Protheans at least had Relays to reverse engineer.  I can't help but wonder, as Wolf_in_the_Meadow pointed out, it was Reaper tech that was used.  And if so what that might ultimately mean for Shepard.

Anyway, that's my (abbreviated) thoughts on the Lazarus Project being a Chekhov's Gun or my hopes that it is one.