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[Zkyire]

1 - She says she wants to feel Shepard's skin against hers. This implies that she has skin. Not fur. Not scales. Not feathers. But skin.

2 - Her eyes appear to be of similar size, shape, and positioning to human eyes.

3 - Her nose (the tip that we can see) appears to be of similar size, shape and positioning to human noses (maybe there are some differences here, but it will look at least a bit similar).

4 - Her voice sounds pretty normal. No gruff, strange effects like say the Turians. So chance are she has a similar vocal chords and similar tongue/mouth to humans.


So, basically yes, Tali WILL look fairly human like, and not at all like one of the more alienesque species like the Turians. So chances are she'll look about as alien as Asari do.

[BentOrgy]

Zkyire wrote...

1 - She says she wants to feel Shepard's skin against hers. This implies that she has skin. Not fur. Not scales. Not feathers. But skin.

2 - Her eyes appear to be of similar size, shape, and positioning to human eyes.

3 - Her nose (the tip that we can see) appears to be of similar size, shape and positioning to human noses (maybe there are some differences here, but it will look at least a bit similar).

4 - Her voice sounds pretty normal. No gruff, strange effects like say the Turians. So chance are she has a similar vocal chords and similar tongue/mouth to humans.


So, basically yes, Tali WILL look fairly human like, and not at all like one of the more alienesque species like the Turians. So chances are she'll look about as alien as Asari do.

People really need to read Ascencion; it'd really cut down on all the "She looks like a monster!" posts around here.

Because aside from skin color, ears, and obviously hands, feet, and legs below the knee, we already know that quarians are, as you said, very asari-like in how closely they resemble humans. Lips, teeth, tongue, eyes, endoskeleton, sexual organs... Tear ducts, yeah, they're extremely close.

[Errationatus]

robmokron wrote...

I agree with you for the fact that because you disagree with whatever the issue may be (didnt pay much attention) that you shouldnt be labeled a a hater or in a bad mood or mean. Yet It also seems that you are placing all Tali fans in one cultish group.

 

I'm just poking 'em, Rob.  A lot of the less sane Talijerkers don't like it because they have a misplaced sense of entitlement. As with some of the more dense believers out there, criticizing the object of worship is a personal attack, even when it clearly isn't.  It's very telling, but the believer never notices.  Too busy being righteously indignant. They cannot accept that there are those who do not believe as they do.  Dissent of any kind must be crushed. The fantasy must be maintained.  The spice must flow.

I like Tali, really I do, aside from a few minor annoyances, but I - and I'm fairly certain I'm not alone - tend to resent that those of us who spent the majority of the last game enjoying a romance other than Tali's (what? You didn't know there were others?  Surprise! ), are basically getting humped because Bioware decided to kowtow to the slobbery Talidicks.  
I like Tali.  But there is no way in hell she deserves that level of adoration.  All the supposed depth to her character the heavy duty fans see they've created themselves, and someone smelled money, so the story suffers and we who are not so invested in Madame Chickenfeet get screwed.  

Irritated, yes. Butthurt?  Nah.  She's not that hot.

  

I mean Im a semi regular on the forums, i go on a work for example (giggity)  im also a Tali fan in regards to shes my Cao shep's toy. I also will admit i have expectations with ME3 Tali that if not met, i may be dissapointed, but at the same time, I'd rather Bioware tell me the story that they want to tell, not what the BSN or fans neccesarily want.

   

That's very open-minded of you, but a great many Talifans don't and won't see it that way.  It's the Tali and Shepard Show, and that's all they'll accept.  There will be baying at the moon and howls for Bioware blood (and this is the telling bit:) if they don't get what they think they deserve.

   
Its true its about money first in a company stand point, but Games are now an art medium, RPGs especially. Bioware's games focus on Character development more tha anything else now-a-days. Thats my bigggest gripe with DA2 haters (for the most point) Where mechanically DA2 had major faults (recycled maps, bad combat) It suceeded EXTREMELY well with Story and Characters and huge values and themes. DA2 in my opinion told the story that needed to be told for the franchise and setting up DA3.

 

The major butthurt with DA2, IMO, was that people expected another Origins. They didn't get that. Because they didn't get what they thought they should have, they were not prepared to give DA2 too many breaks.  Oddly enough, those of us who played DA2 first had an entirely different opinion on DA:O.  Strange, no?

It was no different from all the whining over ME2 initially because it wasn't another ME.  If DA2 had been like Origins, people would have whined that it was just another Origins.  Damned if you do, damned if you don't.  Also, if you played ME2 first, I think you would have found ME as slow and plodding as Origins as compared to DA2.  Funny how it seems to work that way. 

   

I beleive ME3 should tell the story that needs to be told, for the ME franchise to continue and not be shifted because Miranda lovers or Tali lovers hate eachother or whatever.

As the strident fundamentalists seem to dominate public policy in the US, so too the greasy hardcore Talifappers dominate the millieu herein. To the sane Talifans, you have my support.  To the rest, well, I just like to remind them that not all of us are going to back up in fear and back down when they come stomping in to spread their righteous ire over our 'blasphemy', nor are we going to unquestioningly join in with the circle jerk.

*Shrug*  In the end, none of it really matters.  It's just a damn game, after all.

[Ron87]

JakeMacDon wrote...

robmokron wrote...

I agree with you for the fact that because you disagree with whatever the issue may be (didnt pay much attention) that you shouldnt be labeled a a hater or in a bad mood or mean. Yet It also seems that you are placing all Tali fans in one cultish group.

 

I'm just poking 'em, Rob.  A lot of the less sane Talijerkers don't like it because they have a misplaced sense of entitlement. As with some of the more dense believers out there, criticizing the object of worship is a personal attack, even when it clearly isn't.  It's very telling, but the believer never notices.  Too busy being righteously indignant. They cannot accept that there are those who do not believe as they do.  Dissent of any kind must be crushed. The fantasy must be maintained.  The spice must flow.

I like Tali, really I do, aside from a few minor annoyances, but I - and I'm fairly certain I'm not alone - tend to resent that those of us who spent the majority of the last game enjoying a romance other than Tali's (what? You didn't know there were others?  Surprise! ), are basically getting humped because Bioware decided to kowtow to the slobbery Talidicks.  
I like Tali.  But there is no way in hell she deserves that level of adoration.  All the supposed depth to her character the heavy duty fans see they've created themselves, and someone smelled money, so the story suffers and we who are not so invested in Madame Chickenfeet get screwed.  

Irritated, yes. Butthurt?  Nah.  She's not that hot.

I'd like a slight clarification to this you said....

Are you implying that Tali has received extra attention from Bioware due to her fanbase and feel that due to the fans her presence in ME2 somehow affected the overall plot in a bad way? Or are you worried that she's going to have a bigger presence in ME3 than the other characters (because of the fans)?

I don't think this will be the case (at least not in the case of the romance), since she could have died in ME2.

If any character has received more attention than the others, then that's Liara, due to LotSB and the promise that she will have a very important role in ME3.

Just looking for a little clarification, that's all, so that I could better understand your side. I perfectly understand your other points, I just feel you may be exaggerating. If, however, you have been directly attacked by some Tali fans (you probably have), then you have every right to be angry.


As for the OP: At first I thought showing the face would be a bad idea (due to aforementioned reasons) but now I have come to the conclusion that it would be cowardly to not show it.

The important thing would be to do the showing in good taste, nothing romance related. The best scenario I can think of would be to place it at the very end, where a bunch of Quarians (not just Tali) stand in their homeworld and take their first breath of fresh air without their masks. That would serve a purpose. If it doesn't serve a purpose, the leave it be.

[Errationatus]

Ron87 wrote...

I'd like a slight clarification to this you said....

Are you implying that Tali has received extra attention from Bioware due to her fanbase and feel that due to the fans her presence in ME2 somehow affected the overall plot in a bad way? Or are you worried that she's going to have a bigger presence in ME3 than the other characters (because of the fans)?

 

The bolded, above.

 

I don't think this will be the case (at least not in the case of the romance), since she could have died in ME2.

 

Well, the Talimancers (all 500 million of them, apparently, to listen to them) didn't let her die or kill her off, did they? They let no poll go by, they left no thread unmolested, one cannot breathe a word against the Purple Pyrex-wearing Allegra stockholder for the "fear" some hardcore Talish!te will come oozing in with their "righteous wrath".  Feh.

 
If any character has received more attention than the others, then that's Liara, due to LotSB and the promise that she will have a very important role in ME3.

 

Ah... but Liara was always intended to be a lead character. You could see that in the narrative.  Prothean expert and Shadow Broker?  Don't forget - Liara believed in the Reaper threat even before Shepard did, even if she didn't know what precisely to call it. I'd call that "vital to the storyline".

I don't think Tali had been originally fated for that kind of significance, until the fappy droolers slimed all over her. Even her "Save-Tali-again-and-again-and-again" missions did not have any real significance plotwise (this 'dark energy' nonsense will be just another deus ex machina, anyway) that the Talimancers did not give them.  If she's not alive, you can still resolve her storyline.  This is telling.  Or at least, it was.

 
Just looking for a little clarification, that's all, so that I could better understand your side. I perfectly understand your other points, I just feel you may be exaggerating.
 

 

Calm and rational and my hat is off to you, Sir.  I am exaggerating - a smidge - for effect, to make a point.

 
If, however, you have been directly attacked by some Tali fans (you probably have), then you have every right to be angry.

 

Oh, I have been - "attacked" - even got a one-day ban from their sticky little thread for pointing out that they happen to be their own worst enemies for reasons they continue to blithely exhibit in that thread to this very day. *Shrug*
When the mod of that thread is also likely a Talifapper, you can't really win. Truth hurts, and some people are disingenious hypocrites and they know who they are.  

But, then, I didn't and don't really care.  Angry?  Not hardly.  One does not get angry because cretins act like cretins, one does one's best to educate them and failing that, just moves on.

What really galls me is the impression I can't help but get that the romances not Liara, Garrus, Ash/Kaiden, or (now) Tali are going to get short shrift. 

I wondered why Bioware bothered with extra romances if they were just going to sh!tcan them in the end anyway.  I thought about it - and then I came to the realization that they - the ability to romance Jack and Miranda and Thane and the rest - save for precious Tali and Garrus of course - they were FILLER.  Simply there to be padding for the second act of this mighty trilogy. They were never meant to be anything of consequence anyway.  They were always going to be emotionally manipulative fodder.  It's the only thing that makes sense.

Once I realized that, I just kinda went *Shrug* "Meh".  Stories evolve, and Bioware probably had their major plotting done ages ago, before the birth of the first ME.  You can't treat all the characters equally, and if one gains "more" because the storyline demands it, fine.  If Tali was always intended to get more and more, then cool; but if not, it's a slap in the face to everyone who does not adore her, who wanted something different and did not get it  - and the Talimancers will bear the brunt of that ire.  The sad fact there is that I'm fairly certain that the majority of the Tali Appreciata are as reasonably sane as any gamer can be, and the sweetsweatlickycreepos get to chortle that they got away with it.

Just sticks in one's craw a bit, is all.

[Kid Buu]

I love how everyone complains about Tali yet no one mentions garrus. Guess we have to insult the more vocal group. Anyway, its obvious Bioware did not have this series planned out otherwise the SM would not even be in ME2.

I also find it funny how a thread about Talis face being revealed turned into yet another talifan hate thread. Perhaps we can stop derailing the thread?

Modifié par Kid Buu, 20 janvier 2012 - 10:21 .

[PMC65]

makalathbonagin wrote...

The nose seems a little small but I could see her looking like this ... But whatever she ends up looking like, I hope that Bioware reveals her face in ME3.

[Ron87]

Kid Buu wrote...

I love how everyone complains about Tali yet no one mentions garrus. Guess we have to insult the more vocal group. Anyway, its obvious Bioware did not have this series planned out otherwise the SM would not even be in ME2.

I also find it funny how a thread about Talis face being revealed turned into yet another talifan hate thread. Perhaps we can stop derailing the thread?

Exactly, Tali isn't the only character that got their status improved due to the fans.

JakeMacDon, I understand your frustration as it sucks that some characters are going to be left on the wayside, although it remains to be seen how uneven their roles are going to be in ME3 romance-wise. It could be that the actual romance-content is pretty even between the LIs, and as far as I know, some old LIs could even be squadmates. They just haven't been announced yet. Time will tell, though correct me if I'm wrong.

At the same time, however, using your logic I could complain that those that don't like Liara are kind of getting the short end of the stick, seeing that not only does she have as much romance content as the other major characters, she also has more plot importance. Just saying...

[Ron87]

PMC65 wrote...

makalathbonagin wrote...

The nose seems a little small but I could see her looking like this ... But whatever she ends up looking like, I hope that Bioware reveals her face in ME3.

I think this is the best concept I've seen, certainly alien but not entirely without appeal. Maybe a little more life to the eyes and we could be going somewhere.

[Kid Buu]

The problem I have is that the nose does not fit with the placeholder nor what we know about them.

[Ron87]

Kid Buu wrote...

The problem I have is that the nose does not fit with the placeholder nor what we know about them.

Good point.

[FlyinElk212]

makalathbonagin wrote...

That is an awesome interpretation of what Tali should look like. But honestly, WHAT she looks like shouldn't be what Tali revealing her face should be about. I can't find the article offhand, but someone else put it really nicely--when Bioware DOES decide to reveal Tali's face, her appearance should be irrelevant.

Imagine a scenario where Tali and her Quarian people finally find a planet they can inhabit, and for once in their lives, they can take off their suits in an outside environment. When Tali takes off her visor, it shouldn't be about what she looks like: it should be about the expression of elation on her face, the deep breath she takes and the subtle tear that streams down her face just as she realizes everything she's fought so hard for has finally paid off.

THAT should be what showing Tali's face is about. Not whether or not she's going to be balls-slammin' hot.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 21 janvier 2012 - 02:18 .

[Tazzmission]

makalathbonagin wrote...

i like it. reminds me of lama su from attack of the clones on kamino

[Errationatus]

Ron87 wrote...

JakeMacDon, I understand your frustration as it sucks that some characters are going to be left on the wayside, although it remains to be seen how uneven their roles are going to be in ME3 romance-wise. It could be that the actual romance-content is pretty even between the LIs, and as far as I know, some old LIs could even be squadmates. They just haven't been announced yet. Time will tell, though correct me if I'm wrong.

At the same time, however, using your logic I could complain that those that don't like Liara are kind of getting the short end of the stick, seeing that not only does she have as much romance content as the other major characters, she also has more plot importance. Just saying...

I mentioned Garrus. Try reading past just the bits that mention Tali, folks, before you stamp your little feet.  I also mentioned - twice about Tali's unmasking (make that three times now) - in this thread about Tali's unmasking.  So I haven't really derailed anything.  Bioware is damned if they unmask her and damned if they don't.  

Again, Talipriests get uncomfortable if you blaspheme.  

As to Liara, she was - and I'm open to being corrected on this - one of the main original characters. She gets major romance and plot importance arcs because she was always meant to get those things.  That's the difference, and it's no small one.

There are those who forget that you could go through ME1 without ever recruiting Garrus or Wrex, so both only became more or less major characters because of their recruitment.  Hell, you could have killed Wrex halfway through ME1, and that would have been that.

Garrus, like Tali, is a nod to the fans, his "husbando" status cemented forever - more or less because the male romances for FemShep are uniformly uninspired, somewhat insipid, and downright dull.  Garrus is well-done, not to take anything away from his character or creators, he's many of my Shepards' bro to the end, but he really had no competition for GalShep's hand, and in that case, it's kinda easy to win.

Tali had certain plot requirements she fulfilled in ME1, true, but she was never a major character, I never got the sense of that, nor do I think she was intended to be so - fans made her that way, and Bioware has decided to bow to particular fan pressure and expand her role.  If, say, the Jack fans had been so fanatic and vocal, drawn all that damn attention to themselves, the Talifans would probably be howling that the "tattooed freak" is getting all the attention while their darling withers on the vine.  (Bioware wisely goes where the money is, that's just smart.  They don't really care about the story either.  If they did, they wouldn't pad the game out with extra "modes" and needless multiplayer.)

There is, however, only so much space in one game, like a movie, so things have to get cut.  Talimancers don't give a sh!t about the rest of the story, as long as they get what they want.  I've said it before and I'll say it again:  you could have a DLC that consists entirely of Tali wringing her hands, turning around slowly, and repeating "I just want you", and "It was totally worth it" over and over, and charge 50 bucks for it and it would sell three hundred million copies.  A DLC of her trying on different wedding dresses and fifty pairs of lingerie, and that's all - charge 20 bucks for it and EA's revenue would increase by about two-and-half-a-billion dollars in just under a week.  I may be exaggerating, but not by much.

No one really cares if they unmask her or not, for not a single Talilover is going to like what Bioware comes up with anyway, and anyone less passionate about her won't care one way or the other.  Not that it matters, if they follow the morphology of her face, she's a f'n space elf, despite the denials.  

Hell, just make her look like Liz Sroka, and that's perfect.  Nothing wrong with her face, I would have no problem talking to it.  See, I'm not really bashing Tali or her elevated status.  Her more stupid fans and their misplaced sense of entitlement p!ss me off, and that's about it.  Storywise, she just doesn't merit an expanded role, but, like anything I say here, it's only my own opinion.

[BentOrgy]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

her appearance should be irrelevant.

Please, physical attraction is just as important as psychological; anything said to the contrary is blind idealism; it doesn't make you philisophical, deep, wise, or mature. If you're not sexually attracted to someone, in the long run, you'll resent waking up next to them every day. Its not shallow, or vain, its common sense and natural.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 21 janvier 2012 - 04:02 .

[Kid Buu]

Melrache wrote...

comrade8472 wrote...

http://social.biowar...3/index/7860238

****Chris already confired what she looks like *****

Oh well, whatever they do it'll upset some people, I am happy though. Dead bucket will still be dead, no matter what ya do.

Dead MJ will still be dead MJ. Funny. But even if in somones playthrough, MJ is alive he is still not a squadmate. Not the case with Tali. Just saying, bro.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 04:05 .

[Kid Buu]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Although you are quite correct Quole Buu, you do realize that the post you just replied to is 6 months old?

You are right, Cthulhu. However, that does not change what I said.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 04:13 .

[JosephDucreux]

JakeMacDon wrote...

I mentioned Garrus. Try reading past just the bits that mention Tali, folks, before you stamp your little feet.  I also mentioned - twice about Tali's unmasking (make that three times now) - in this thread about Tali's unmasking.  So I haven't really derailed anything.  Bioware is damned if they unmask her and damned if they don't.  

Again, Talipriests get uncomfortable if you blaspheme.  

As to Liara, she was - and I'm open to being corrected on this - one of the main original characters. She gets major romance and plot importance arcs because she was always meant to get those things.  That's the difference, and it's no small one.

There are those who forget that you could go through ME1 without ever recruiting Garrus or Wrex, so both only became more or less major characters because of their recruitment.  Hell, you could have killed Wrex halfway through ME1, and that would have been that.

Garrus, like Tali, is a nod to the fans, his "husbando" status cemented forever - more or less because the male romances for FemShep are uniformly uninspired, somewhat insipid, and downright dull.  Garrus is well-done, not to take anything away from his character or creators, he's many of my Shepards' bro to the end, but he really had no competition for GalShep's hand, and in that case, it's kinda easy to win.

Tali had certain plot requirements she fulfilled in ME1, true, but she was never a major character, I never got the sense of that, nor do I think she was intended to be so - fans made her that way, and Bioware has decided to bow to particular fan pressure and expand her role.  If, say, the Jack fans had been so fanatic and vocal, drawn all that damn attention to themselves, the Talifans would probably be howling that the "tattooed freak" is getting all the attention while their darling withers on the vine.  (Bioware wisely goes where the money is, that's just smart.  They don't really care about the story either.  If they did, they wouldn't pad the game out with extra "modes" and needless multiplayer.)

There is, however, only so much space in one game, like a movie, so things have to get cut.  Talimancers don't give a sh!t about the rest of the story, as long as they get what they want.  I've said it before and I'll say it again:  you could have a DLC that consists entirely of Tali wringing her hands, turning around slowly, and repeating "I just want you", and "It was totally worth it" over and over, and charge 50 bucks for it and it would sell three hundred million copies.  A DLC of her trying on different wedding dresses and fifty pairs of lingerie, and that's all - charge 20 bucks for it and EA's revenue would increase by about two-and-half-a-billion dollars in just under a week.  I may be exaggerating, but not by much.

No one really cares if they unmask her or not, for not a single Talilover is going to like what Bioware comes up with anyway, and anyone less passionate about her won't care one way or the other.  Not that it matters, if they follow the morphology of her face, she's a f'n space elf, despite the denials.  

Hell, just make her look like Liz Sroka, and that's perfect.  Nothing wrong with her face, I would have no problem talking to it.  See, I'm not really bashing Tali or her elevated status.  Her more stupid fans and their misplaced sense of entitlement p!ss me off, and that's about it.  Storywise, she just doesn't merit an expanded role, but, like anything I say here, it's only my own opinion.

I agree, Tali's presence in ME1 was forced and downright irrelevant. What the hell is a friggin' civillian doing following a Spec Ops officer around the galaxy anyways? IRL, Tali would've just given the intel and went straight home.

Modifié par JosephDucreux, 21 janvier 2012 - 04:24 .

[BentOrgy]

JosephDucreux wrote...

I agree, Tali's presence in ME1 was forced and downright irrelevant. What the hell is a friggin' civillian doing following a Spec Ops officer around the galaxy anyways? IRL, Tali would've just given the intel and went straight home.

Right, a character who single-handedly proves Shepard's not crazy with her evidence against Saren, and with expert knowledge on the Geth (Primary reacurring antagonist faction.) is quite irrelevant. <_<

Honestly, think before you post. You might not like the character, but inane things like this are... Inane.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:04 .

[JosephDucreux]

BentOrgy wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

I agree, Tali's presence in ME1 was forced and downright irrelevant. What the hell is a friggin' civillian doing following a Spec Ops officer around the galaxy anyways? IRL, Tali would've just given the intel and went straight home.

Right, a character who single-handedly proves Shepard's not crazy with her evidence against Saren, and with expert knowledge on the Geth (Primary reacurring antagonist faction.) is quite irrelevant. <_<

Honestly, think before you post. You might not like the character, but inane things like this are... Inane.

Right, a character who so happens to have circumstantial intel on Saren and also has a tiny smidge of knowledge against the geth (primary enemy throughout the game) is automatically dragged along on an op that is too dangerous for even normal soldiers to attempt despite the fact that she's a civilian and has no combat experience whatsoever is relevant. <_<

Honestly, think for once. You might fanwank over the character, but inane things like these are...inane.

[Kid Buu]

JosephDucreux wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

I agree, Tali's presence in ME1 was forced and downright irrelevant. What the hell is a friggin' civillian doing following a Spec Ops officer around the galaxy anyways? IRL, Tali would've just given the intel and went straight home.

Right, a character who single-handedly proves Shepard's not crazy with her evidence against Saren, and with expert knowledge on the Geth (Primary reacurring antagonist faction.) is quite irrelevant. <_<

Honestly, think before you post. You might not like the character, but inane things like this are... Inane.

Right, a character who so happens to have circumstantial intel on Saren and also has a tiny smidge of knowledge against the geth (primary enemy throughout the game) is automatically dragged along on an op that is too dangerous for even normal soldiers to attempt despite the fact that she's a civilian and has no combat experience whatsoever is relevant. <_<

Honestly, think for once. You might fanwank over the character, but inane things like these are...inane.

well....

1. I think she has a little bit more knowledge than `a tiny smidge` considering she was able to hack a geth and capture a recording
2. Like you said, the gteh are the main enemies.. so why is having her a bad idea? Shes clearly better at fighting them than anyone else.
3. An op thats too dangerous for normal soldiers? What about Ashley? Garrus is just works for c-sec, and Liara is an archealogist.
4. By your logic a lot of squadmates shouldnt be in ME.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:20 .

[BentOrgy]

JosephDucreux wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

I agree, Tali's presence in ME1 was forced and downright irrelevant. What the hell is a friggin' civillian doing following a Spec Ops officer around the galaxy anyways? IRL, Tali would've just given the intel and went straight home.

Right, a character who single-handedly proves Shepard's not crazy with her evidence against Saren, and with expert knowledge on the Geth (Primary reacurring antagonist faction.) is quite irrelevant. <_<

Honestly, think before you post. You might not like the character, but inane things like this are... Inane.

Right, a character who so happens to have circumstantial intel on Saren and also has a tiny smidge of knowledge against the geth (primary enemy throughout the game) is automatically dragged along on an op that is too dangerous for even normal soldiers to attempt despite the fact that she's a civilian and has no combat experience whatsoever is relevant. <_<

Honestly, think for once. You might fanwank over the character, but inane things like these are...inane.

*Sigh*

Its hardly circumstantial, considering its a clear voice recording of Saren and Benezia conspiring against the Council, and I'd hardly call her knowledge a "Smidge," considering her race are the ones who built the geth, her father ran experiments on them, and she's a top level engineer. Her being on the Normandy is no more odd than the rest of the usual staff; due to her afformentioned knowledge, and how she handled herself against the team that was sent to kidnap her, she's just as qualified as any of them. (Barring combat experience of say, Wrex, Ash, and garrus. But even then, her knowledge makes up for it.) The Normandy crew were just normal soldiers, so I really don't understand where you're pulling this "too dangerous," restriction from.

While I am a fan, I'd hardly say I ****** over anything regarding this game, or its characters. You want to disregard facts to bolster your ridiculous bias and opinions, that's your business. But don't deride me becuase I make actual sense.
EDIT: Thanks Buu. Love the name by the way, though I'm more a fan of the chubby version.

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Kid Buu wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

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I agree, Tali's presence in ME1 was forced and downright irrelevant. What the hell is a friggin' civillian doing following a Spec Ops officer around the galaxy anyways? IRL, Tali would've just given the intel and went straight home.

Right, a character who single-handedly proves Shepard's not crazy with her evidence against Saren, and with expert knowledge on the Geth (Primary reacurring antagonist faction.) is quite irrelevant. <_<

Honestly, think before you post. You might not like the character, but inane things like this are... Inane.

Right, a character who so happens to have circumstantial intel on Saren and also has a tiny smidge of knowledge against the geth (primary enemy throughout the game) is automatically dragged along on an op that is too dangerous for even normal soldiers to attempt despite the fact that she's a civilian and has no combat experience whatsoever is relevant. <_<

Honestly, think for once. You might fanwank over the character, but inane things like these are...inane.

well....

1. I think she has a little bit more knowledge than `a tiny smidge` considering she was able to hack a geth and capture a recording
2. Like you said, the gteh are the main enemies.. so why is having her a bad idea? Shes clearly better at fighting them than anyone else.
3. An op thats too dangerous for normal soldiers? What about Ashley? Garrus is just works for c-sec, and Liara is an archealogist.
4. By your logic a lot of squadmates shouldnt be in ME.

1. B*tch please...there are lots of quarians who have a sh*tton more knowledge about the geth than her.

2. Cause she hasn't fired a gun before, and most likely has had no military training whatsoever. Just because she knows if the geth inside out doesn't make her any better at fighting them than anyone else.

3. Bioware logic. Yes, Liara shouldn't be in either. Just cause she fought off mercs before doesn't mean that she can handle a geth army. It's like saying you can fight off the U.S. Army just because you fought off the Iranians. And why do you think they even gave the op to Shepard, and N7, in the first place.

4. Nah, just those that have no combat experience and/or military training. Wrex would still be in, Garrus...maybe, Ashley and Kaidan definitely.