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[ParagonForLife]

Garrus has the best combat experience out of all the squad members though he works well with all races and hes highly trained in covert operations and is best at setting ambushes and working outnumbered

[Kid Buu]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

I agree, Tali's presence in ME1 was forced and downright irrelevant. What the hell is a friggin' civillian doing following a Spec Ops officer around the galaxy anyways? IRL, Tali would've just given the intel and went straight home.

Right, a character who single-handedly proves Shepard's not crazy with her evidence against Saren, and with expert knowledge on the Geth (Primary reacurring antagonist faction.) is quite irrelevant. <_<

Honestly, think before you post. You might not like the character, but inane things like this are... Inane.

Right, a character who so happens to have circumstantial intel on Saren and also has a tiny smidge of knowledge against the geth (primary enemy throughout the game) is automatically dragged along on an op that is too dangerous for even normal soldiers to attempt despite the fact that she's a civilian and has no combat experience whatsoever is relevant. <_<

Honestly, think for once. You might fanwank over the character, but inane things like these are...inane.

well....

1. I think she has a little bit more knowledge than `a tiny smidge` considering she was able to hack a geth and capture a recording
2. Like you said, the gteh are the main enemies.. so why is having her a bad idea? Shes clearly better at fighting them than anyone else.
3. An op thats too dangerous for normal soldiers? What about Ashley? Garrus is just works for c-sec, and Liara is an archealogist.
4. By your logic a lot of squadmates shouldnt be in ME.

1. B*tch please...there are lots of quarians who have a sh*tton more knowledge about the geth than her.

2. Cause she hasn't fired a gun before, and most likely has had no military training whatsoever. Just because she knows if the geth inside out doesn't make her any better at fighting them than anyone else.

3. Bioware logic. Yes, Liara shouldn't be in either. Just cause she fought off mercs before doesn't mean that she can handle a geth army. It's like saying you can fight off the U.S. Army just because you fought off the Iranians. And why do you think they even gave the op to Shepard, and N7, in the first place.

4. Nah, just those that have no combat experience and/or military training. Wrex would still be in, Garrus...maybe, Ashley and Kaidan definitely.

You do know Tali has training right? Not to mention she is clearly more skilled withshotguns than most squadmates. On top of this, she has tech abilities that are primarily good against geth. See what im saying?

[BentOrgy]

Name calling now? That's nice.

1) Yes, but they weren't in ME1, were they? And regardless, like I said, she's a top grade engineer, who was able to perform a complex recapture of a Geth memory core.

2) Pure conjecture. Considering she readily had grenades on hand, and was more than confidant to take our three armed mercs herself, that speaks for itself.

3) Again, not everybody needs to be a kill-em-all type jarhead to be useful on the field.

4) See number three.

EDIT: (Regarding my post response.) Saying I make no sense is laughable, considering you haven't actually done much to dispute my reasoning beyond calling me a fanboy and a fool, and dodge points you can't readily argue against. (Like when I said the evidence wasn't circumstantial, you dropped it and focused on something else you thought you could attack.)

Modifié par BentOrgy, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:36 .

[JosephDucreux]

BentOrgy wrote...

*Sigh*

Its hardly circumstantial, considering its a clear voice recording of Saren and Benezia conspiring against the Council, and I'd hardly call her knowledge a "Smidge," considering her race are the ones who built the geth, her father ran experiments on them, and she's a top level engineer. Her being on the Normandy is no more odd than the rest of the usual staff; due to her afformentioned knowledge, and how she handled herself against the team that was sent to kidnap her, she's just as qualified as any of them. (Barring combat experience of say, Wrex, Ash, and garrus. But even then, her knowledge makes up for it.) The Normandy crew were just normal soldiers, so I really don't understand where you're pulling this "too dangerous," restriction from.

While I am a fan, I'd hardly say I ****** over anything regarding this game, or its characters. You want to disregard facts to bolster your ridiculous bias and opinions, that's your business. But don't deride me becuase I make actual sense.
EDIT: Thanks Buu. Love the name by the way, though I'm more a fan of the chubby version.

*sigh*

And there are other top level engineers, and ones that actually have combat experience and are NOT civilians. Knowledge without experience is still useless. Believe me, I know firsthand. Also, she was pretty much dead until Shepard came just in time to save her, and all she was doing was curling up in a ball desperately avoiding fire. So no, she wasn't 'handling herself' against those gangsters who are nothing more than your local drug dealer.

So you don't ******, okay. You want to disregard facts to bolster your ridiculous bias and opinions, fine. But don't try to deride me just because I make more actual sense than you ever will.

[Skullheart]

Yeah, Tali is great fighting against synthetics. She is so good, and she lost two squads in a single year fighting synthetics (and needed Shepard to save her)

Tali is only a good mechanic and engineer, she isn't good for combat (no quarian is good for an assault force).

[Kid Buu]

Skullheart wrote...

Yeah, Tali is great fighting against synthetics. She is so good, and she lost two squads in a single year fighting synthetics (and needed Shepard to save her)

Tali is only a good mechanic and engineer, she isn't good for combat (no quarian is good for an assault force).

Dont be ridiculous. We both know there were completely legit reasons for that. Also being good a fighting geth does not mean being a good leader in any way and its obvious that her leadership was the main reason for those.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:34 .

[JosephDucreux]

Kid Buu wrote...

You do know Tali has training right? Not to mention she is clearly more skilled withshotguns than most squadmates. On top of this, she has tech abilities that are primarily good against geth. See what im saying?

Where ingame did it say that Tali had actual, formal training? And saying that she's better with shotguns and and tech abilities is like saying that a street thug is better than a fully trained Delta just because said street thug is better than the Delta with shotguns and at hotwiring vehicles. See what I'm saying?

P.S. Wrex is the best with shotguns. Hands down, no contest.

[Kid Buu]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

You do know Tali has training right? Not to mention she is clearly more skilled withshotguns than most squadmates. On top of this, she has tech abilities that are primarily good against geth. See what im saying?

Where ingame did it say that Tali had actual, formal training? And saying that she's better with shotguns and and tech abilities is like saying that a street thug is better than a fully trained Delta just because said street thug is better than the Delta with shotguns and at hotwiring vehicles. See what I'm saying?

P.S. Wrex is the best with shotguns. Hands down, no contest.

Did you play ME1? You probably didnt talk to Tali then. But its k. I still respect you, Joseph.

[JosephDucreux]

Kid Buu wrote...

Did you play ME1? You probably didnt talk to Tali then. But its k. I still respect you, Joseph.

I did, but I don't remember. OH GOD THOSE F*CKING NUMBERS GET THEM OUT OF MY HEAD

[BentOrgy]

Kid Buu wrote...

Did you play ME1? You probably didnt talk to Tali then. But its k. I still respect you, Joseph.

He's trolling for kicks; when he can't automatically attack someone's point, he hides. Or redirects the conversation.

A lot like that Saphra fool.

[JosephDucreux]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk8_iHLSwMA

It says "Best military training in the quarian fleet".

Admittedly, I've never seen this dialogue in any of my personal playthroughs.

When did Tali say that? Shep saying it doesn't quite count.

[JosephDucreux]

BentOrgy wrote...

He's trolling for kicks; when he can't automatically attack someone's point, he hides. Or redirects the conversation.

A lot like that Saphra fool.

You're now trolling in an attempt to smokescreen the fact that your points are invalid.

[BentOrgy]

JosephDucreux wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

He's trolling for kicks; when he can't automatically attack someone's point, he hides. Or redirects the conversation.

A lot like that Saphra fool.

You're now trolling in an attempt to smokescreen the fact that your points are invalid.

As I've said, prove it. You've done nothing but offer your blatantly bias perceptions on the matter, (Cowering in a ball? That's why she was fighting, right?) and all but completely disregard the valid points that I, and others have given. So no, sorry, not trolling.

[JosephDucreux]

BentOrgy wrote...

As I've said, prove it. You've done nothing but offer your blatantly bias perceptions on the matter, (Cowering in a ball? That's why she was fighting, right?) and all but completely disregard the valid points that I, and others have given. So no, sorry, not trolling.

Still trolling and points still invalid because...

1. She wasn't fighting. If cowering in a corner while blindfiring was considered fighting, WW2 would still be on.

2. Also, still no instance where she herself explicitly states that she was given formal military training.

[Skullheart]

All quarians go through a survival training before their pilgrimage. But remember, survival =/= combat.

[BentOrgy]

JosephDucreux wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

As I've said, prove it. You've done nothing but offer your blatantly bias perceptions on the matter, (Cowering in a ball? That's why she was fighting, right?) and all but completely disregard the valid points that I, and others have given. So no, sorry, not trolling.

Still trolling and points still invalid because...

1. She wasn't fighting. If cowering in a corner while blindfiring was considered fighting, WW2 would still be on.

2. Also, still no instance where she herself explicitly states that she was given formal military training.

Hm, pretty sure I covered this already in an earlier post.... Yep, there it is, on this page even. The numbered post in response to yours with that charming "B*tch please," in it. Perfectly valid points, which you've chosen (Not surprisingly.) to ignore.

1) I don't know what game you were playing, but in mine, she's was firing at the Mercs just like I was. And that was after she attacked them with that grenade.

2) And she mentions training in both the leaked script, and in ME1, if I must dig for it, very well, but I'd rather you actually put forth some effort in this "Debate." Even then, while she doesn't explicitly say anything in ME2, she does confirm what Shepard says in that scene. With a very clear, "You're right."

Modifié par BentOrgy, 21 janvier 2012 - 06:08 .

[JosephDucreux]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Given that they had already served on the Normandy together and frequently talked, one only assumes that Tali had previously given Shepard that piece of information. It's surely more reasonable than the thought that it was completely untrue and Shepard just made it up on the spot for no apparent reason.

Regardless, it should not need to be explicitly spelled out how each squadmate got their training. For example, we're not told how Zaeed learned to be a good fighter; we just accept that he is one.

And as for actual combat experience; sure, Tali doesn't have very much at the start of ME1. But she's definitely got more than Grunt has when you recruit him.

It actually does; one doesn't become a good fighter without damn good training. She has the age advantage. If we compared them on level playing fields, Grunt would have the advantage of being mentally imprinted with combat tactics.

[BentOrgy]

See? After failing to find anything to attack, he ran away. Not that I'm complaining.

[JosephDucreux]

BentOrgy wrote...

See? After failing to find anything to attack, he ran away. Not that I'm complaining.

And your points are still invalid because you haven't provided any proof at all.

[JosephDucreux]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

But as I pointed out, she does have high-level training and knows combat tactics. Unless you have some way of actually proving otherwise, I really don't see where you're trying to go with this.

I highly doubt both still. Training is possible, but combat tactics before the events of ME1? Not likely.

Remember, she was nothing more than an underaged grease monkey before ME1.

[BentOrgy]

JosephDucreux wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

See? After failing to find anything to attack, he ran away. Not that I'm complaining.

And your points are still invalid because you haven't provided any proof at all.

You say this, yet still provide nothing, while I have. I've provided several scenarios, sources, and reasons behind her being on the squad, her legitimacy in staying there, and counterpoints to your staggeringly blind accusations. On the other hand, you casually wave them away without providing anything concrete other than your obvious disagreement.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 21 janvier 2012 - 06:45 .

[JosephDucreux]

BentOrgy wrote...

You say this, yet still provide nothing, while I have. I've provided several scenarios, sources, and reasons behind her being on the squad, her legitimacy in staying there, and counterpoints to your staggeringly blind accusations. On the other hand, you casually wave them away without providing anything concrete other than your obvious disagreement.

I have provided several compelling reasons that actually make sense, but you dismiss them all as just disagreement. Just because she has intel on Saren, is a good grease monkey, and can fight off a bunch of street thugs doesn't mean she's able to take on geth. And she's a civilian who would NEVER be allowed anywhere near a theatre of ops no matter what year. IRL she would've NEVER been allowed onto the battlefield because she's a civilian, NOT a combatant. Yet you convieniently ignore all that and pin it on me instead. Oh the stupidly blind hypocrisy you're churning out here is staggering.