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[Chun Hei]

EDIT: Forget it. I am tired.

Modifié par Chun Hei, 21 janvier 2012 - 07:45 .

[JosephDucreux]

Kid Buu wrote...

Lol? Joseph, I have been lurking the forums since the old ones before the BSN existed. All the way back to shortly after ME came out. I was here before MJ was even in ME. You have NO idea what you are talking about.

Lol Buu I'm talking about BSN after ME2 came out. You know it's true, your buddies went on a trollfest the first few months.

[Kid Buu]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Lol? Joseph, I have been lurking the forums since the old ones before the BSN existed. All the way back to shortly after ME came out. I was here before MJ was even in ME. You have NO idea what you are talking about.

Lol Buu I'm talking about BSN after ME2 came out. You know it's true, your buddies went on a trollfest the first few months.

Before AND after Talifans were never the ones to initiate. It was like this before the BSN (although no where near as bad) and it still is because people cant accept that people like different things.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 07:43 .

[Chun Hei]

EDIT: *Snip.*

Modifié par Chun Hei, 21 janvier 2012 - 07:52 .

[Kid Buu]

This thread is proof of what I am saying. This thread was meant to be just a discussion on Talis face, but what do you know? A bunch of Tali haters had to derail the whole thing.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 07:46 .

[JosephDucreux]

BentOrgy wrote...

And yet, its usually Miranda and Ash fans that try to tear Talifan masculinity/character/mentality to shreds.

"You're a bunch of little girls! Real men want big boobs and ass-shots!"

"Introverted geeks who love Tali's vunerability 'cause they can't get a real girl!"

On and on.... Not saying you've done it, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me. Not trying to open another argument, but I could easily describe why I think Miranda's character is completely ridiculous, but i have never done so. In fact, I've defended Ash's character in her own thread. So its not like we're mindless zombies.

Uh-huh...and it's always the Talifans that say this:

"Lol only horny 13 year olds would love Miranda and her fat ass!"

"Miranda has no personality and she's a b*tch!"

"Ashley is such a racist b*tch! I wish I could wh*re her out to the batarians!"

"Ugh Ashley's poetry is so lame! I'm so glad I Virmired her!"

"OMG tattooed freak GTFO off my ship! Disgusting!"

"Ew Jack is such a sl**! She brought scale itch onto the Normandy!"

While you claim to have NOT engaged in this (and I believe you), your other fellow fans have, and were particularly virulent for a few months after ME2 came out, and remain till this day. I will not and have not described why Tali's character is ridiculous unless someone insulted another LI first. You may not be a mindless zombie of hate, but others may be. Luckily, most of them got verboten.

[BentOrgy]

JosephDucreux wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

My hypocrisy is non-existant, considering I've yet to do anything hypocritical. All I've done is give valid reason(s) as to why Bioware made Tali, and by association, Liara, a part of the primary squad. While you've merely fought against it, either with your dislike for the situation, or (As of now.) regulations that may have no bearing on the situation in Mass Effect's timeline.

Your biggest concern seems to be now, that she's had little combat experience, and is a civilian. For the first point, you have no proof, and her dialogue through all three games proves diferent. For the second, wars have employed civilians in the past, contracting them for their skills and knowledge. While its true most of them probably never saw frontline action, its no stretch to assume that, in a reality situation, Tali could have provided cover support, hacking and sabotoging enemy equipment. It doesn't take a genius to hide behind some crates, and shoot/hack/overload when told to. Its not like Tali or Liara were ever dressed up to be women soldiers, with no fear of charging into the middle of open warfare. Liara would stand back and provide biotics, Tali, as I've said, would provide tech. And they've both proven throughout the games that they work well under fire, despire initially not having hardcore battle experience like Shepard. So as for getting themselves/the squad killed, highly unlikely.

You're trying desperately to paint this "Tali and Liara are hopelss n00bs and should have died in their first mission," picture, when all in-game scenarios and dialogue point to why that wouldn't be the case.

You just don't like it.

For the first point, she's never been out of the fleet prior to her Pilgrimage, so she would have no combat experience at all. Secondly, civilians were employed in a war, yes. But instead of fighting (or 'supporting' as you so insist) on the front, they were either researching new tech, working in the war industry, or providing intel to their armies behind the safety of a secure location. Even ducking behind a crate while drone spamming is STILL considered frontline action. As long as you're in a combat zone, you're on the frontlines. Also, your third point is kind of irrelevant, given that they were controlled by the same AI that controlled geth behavior, and how in hell you judge how well someone works under fire while in gameplay leaves me baffled. So no, we don't know if they actually work well under fire.

You're trying desperately to paint this as a scenario where Tali and Liara are naturals at combat when all in game scenarios don't support it.

You just can't accept it.

I never once claimed they were naturals in combat. Ever, in fact, I've clearly said they weren't. But I can't (Like you.) dismiss their viability in combat. Is it hard to accept that someone that can kill things with her brain, or someone who can turn your enemies against eachother, is a valuable member of the team?

We can easily assume that all quarians are given basic training prior to their Pilgrimage. Tali even says that they don't leave without proper conditioning first in ME1. And I'm pretty sure I clearly said that I knew that most civilians didn't fight; by support, I did mean what you've listed: Tech, industry, etc.

And its not just gameplay, their character/dialogue proves that they're well aware of the dangers of combat, and het they're still level headed and collected. Its not blind conjecture; Bioware has shown us various shades of these character's personalities, including what makes them afraid, what breaks them down. Comabt just happens to not be one of them.

You want to believe that everyone who fires their first shot will shatter, just because they're not professional soldiers. That's simply not true.

EDIT: I suppose I can at least thank you for not question my character.... To an extreme.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 21 janvier 2012 - 07:49 .

[JosephDucreux]

Kid Buu wrote...

Before AND after Talifans were never the ones to initiate. It was like this before the BSN (although no where near as bad) and it still is because people cant accept that people like different things.

Yeah right. Guess you've bought into the 'all Talifans are traumatised, persecuted little children' crap that was started by the original trolling talifans who couldn't deal with the countertrolls.

[Kid Buu]

You know what?


I think they will reveal Talis face.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 07:51 .

[JosephDucreux]

Kid Buu wrote...

Again, I have been here longer you have. The Talifans did not start `this.` However, even if they did, how does that make you any better?

To clarify, I was here since the start, this is my second account since the trolling talifans decided to wail to the mods until I was at one strike from perma, and yes they started this. Doesn't make it any better, but they did start it. And why would that make you feel any worse about yourself?

[JosephDucreux]

Kid Buu wrote...

You know what?


I think they will reveal Talis face.

Nope, Bioware's still going to troll you.

Back on topic.

[Kid Buu]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Again, I have been here longer you have. The Talifans did not start `this.` However, even if they did, how does that make you any better?

To clarify, I was here since the start, this is my second account since the trolling talifans decided to wail to the mods until I was at one strike from perma, and yes they started this. Doesn't make it any better, but they did start it. And why would that make you feel any worse about yourself?

Lol. Keep thinking that.

Wait a minute....... Did you just admit to making a new account after being banned? Or even in jeapordy of being banned? Thats bannable right there.

On a  side note, can I try and guess who you are? Melarche. I GOT IT.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 07:55 .

[JosephDucreux]

Kid Buu wrote...

Lol. Keep thinking that.

Wait a minute....... Did you just admit to making a new account after being banned? Or even in jeapordy of being banned? Thats bannable right there.

On a  side note, can I try and guess who you are? Melarche. I GOT IT.

Nope. Original account started with an 'A' (try guessing).

And I'll report you for being Quole, and you report me. Fair deal.

P.S. Mel is still not verboten, and he hasn't chalked up any warnings so far.

[BentOrgy]

Kid Buu wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Again, I have been here longer you have. The Talifans did not start `this.` However, even if they did, how does that make you any better?

To clarify, I was here since the start, this is my second account since the trolling talifans decided to wail to the mods until I was at one strike from perma, and yes they started this. Doesn't make it any better, but they did start it. And why would that make you feel any worse about yourself?

Lol. Keep thinking that.

Wait a minute....... Did you just admit to making a new account after being banned? Or even in jeapordy of being banned? Thats bannable right there.

On a  side note, can I try and guess who you are? Melarche. I GOT IT.

You know, it also doesn't help that he's posting all this anti-Tali stuff on a Tali thread, Which, by the way, started off half-way reasonable.

[Kid Buu]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Lol. Keep thinking that.

Wait a minute....... Did you just admit to making a new account after being banned? Or even in jeapordy of being banned? Thats bannable right there.

On a  side note, can I try and guess who you are? Melarche. I GOT IT.

Nope. Original account started with an 'A' (try guessing).

And I'll report you for being Quole, and you report me. Fair deal.

P.S. Mel is still not verboten, and he hasn't chalked up any warnings so far.

except Im not Quole. ROFL. The fact that everyone thinks that is funny though so Ill admit I dont try very hard to dissuade people of that idea.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 07:59 .

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Lol. Keep thinking that.

Wait a minute....... Did you just admit to making a new account after being banned? Or even in jeapordy of being banned? Thats bannable right there.

On a  side note, can I try and guess who you are? Melarche. I GOT IT.

Nope. Original account started with an 'A' (try guessing).

And I'll report you for being Quole, and you report me. Fair deal.

P.S. Mel is still not verboten, and he hasn't chalked up any warnings so far.

No reporting eachother pretty please.....we need you guys around. 

[JosephDucreux]

BentOrgy wrote...

You know, it also doesn't help that he's posting all this anti-Tali stuff on a Tali thread, Which, by the way, started off half-way reasonable.

Jesus Christ, really?! Every opinion that is contrary to yours is 'anti Tali'?!

Sigh.

[Kid Buu]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Lol. Keep thinking that.

Wait a minute....... Did you just admit to making a new account after being banned? Or even in jeapordy of being banned? Thats bannable right there.

On a  side note, can I try and guess who you are? Melarche. I GOT IT.

Nope. Original account started with an 'A' (try guessing).

And I'll report you for being Quole, and you report me. Fair deal.

P.S. Mel is still not verboten, and he hasn't chalked up any warnings so far.

Arcian? Naw.

[Kid Buu]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Lol. Keep thinking that.

Wait a minute....... Did you just admit to making a new account after being banned? Or even in jeapordy of being banned? Thats bannable right there.

On a  side note, can I try and guess who you are? Melarche. I GOT IT.

Nope. Original account started with an 'A' (try guessing).

And I'll report you for being Quole, and you report me. Fair deal.

P.S. Mel is still not verboten, and he hasn't chalked up any warnings so far.

No reporting eachother pretty please.....we need you guys around. 

I thought you went to bed... or something. Glad your back though.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 08:01 .

[schemata]

Joseph, as usual was enjoying his time in his favorite threads. Things were nice at this point in his life.  Enjoyable and he loved to look forward to the future of the ME universe. Until that one day. Jospeh had been known to be giddy at the thought of some of his favorite crewmates. But then joseph lost it all, and became jaded, and hatefilled. He was broken That onnnee day and everything changed.  It started off as any other day you, see. Joseph was bouncing back and forth between his favorite threads, when he noticed a high level of activety! What was going on?  He jumped into his favorite threads only to watch them, torn asunder by random tali fanatics.  Josephs head went to and fro, as they bashed all the things he once loved. And there was no end.  The tali fanatics pushed for tali reform and got it, or so joseph may claim. He tried to fight back, valantly of course, but risked a perma ban. He had lost the war. But he would never forget, he would never forget he swore, as he raised his fist to the sky!

[BentOrgy]

JosephDucreux wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

You know, it also doesn't help that he's posting all this anti-Tali stuff on a Tali thread, Which, by the way, started off half-way reasonable.

Jesus Christ, really?! Every opinion that is contrary to yours is 'anti Tali'?!

Sigh.

Flying off the handle a tad?

It was a generalization, and maybe not the best choice of words. But your tone has been fairly antagonistic ever since you posted here, and has only gotten worst.

[JosephDucreux]

schemata wrote...

Joseph, as usual was enjoying his time in his favorite threads. Things were nice at this point in his life.  Enjoyable and he loved to look forward to the future of the ME universe. Until that one day. Jospeh had been known to be giddy at the thought of some of his favorite crewmates. But then joseph lost it all, and became jaded, and hatefilled. He was broken That onnnee day and everything changed.  It started off as any other day you, see. Joseph was bouncing back and forth between his favorite threads, when he noticed a high level of activety! What was going on?  He jumped into his favorite threads only to watch them, torn asunder by random tali fanatics.  Josephs head went to and fro, as they bashed all the things he once loved. And there was no end.  The tali fanatics pushed for tali reform and got it, or so joseph may claim. He tried to fight back, valantly of course, but risked a perma ban. He had lost the war. But he would never forget, he would never forget he swore, as he raised his fist to the sky!

[BentOrgy]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Lol. Keep thinking that.

Wait a minute....... Did you just admit to making a new account after being banned? Or even in jeapordy of being banned? Thats bannable right there.

On a  side note, can I try and guess who you are? Melarche. I GOT IT.

Nope. Original account started with an 'A' (try guessing).

And I'll report you for being Quole, and you report me. Fair deal.

P.S. Mel is still not verboten, and he hasn't chalked up any warnings so far.

Arcian? Naw.

What? He's nothing at all like Arcian, in pretty much any way. Plus the fact that Arcian is still around and posting today.

What happened to his stylish shades? The Kamina ones?

[Kid Buu]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Lol. Keep thinking that.

Wait a minute....... Did you just admit to making a new account after being banned? Or even in jeapordy of being banned? Thats bannable right there.

On a  side note, can I try and guess who you are? Melarche. I GOT IT.

Nope. Original account started with an 'A' (try guessing).

And I'll report you for being Quole, and you report me. Fair deal.

P.S. Mel is still not verboten, and he hasn't chalked up any warnings so far.

Arcian? Naw.

What? He's nothing at all like Arcian, in pretty much any way. Plus the fact that Arcian is still around and posting today.

Well apparently his other account was close to being permabanned, he may still be around. And IDK, you guess.