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[dantares83]

I am new to the ME world so pardon me if this have been discussed to the death...

I heard that the death (if you died) for the final mission (ME2) is final this time and wouldn't be carried over to ME3..

this seems normal because death is death.... nobody can awoke the living

but at the beginning of ME2, Cerebus have brought Shepard back to life!!! Why can't they do it again for ME3? And with all the technologies already known, it should be much faster this time to bring anyone back to life!

so why is it final this time?

the story do not make sense...

Modifié par dantares83, 15 juin 2011 - 07:10 .

[essarr71]

Does it not make sense in reality or in the scope of the mass effect universe?

To the later: time, money, the fact that sheps body would have been destroyed, that cerberus has no desire to revive you or don't feel like its a worthwhile investment?

To the former: its a frickin video game.

[Deebe]

me2 shepard is working for cerebus, in me3 cerebus is working against shepard. Also the lazurus project took 2 years to complete, the time between me2 and me3 isnt half that.

[jamesp81]

Also, it's worth pointing out that there are hints that Shepard's body was recovered at least mostly intact. Banged up, but the important stuff was there.

If Shepard gets left on the Collector Base in ME2, he kind of gets completely immolated. Nothing left to work on.

[marshalleck]

Ah yes.

The obviously troublesome implications of killing and technomagically resurrecting your protagonist within the first five minutes of the story.

What the hell were Bioware thinking? If there's an ending with Shepard dying in ME3, you can pretty much put money on the fact that people will be here asking why Cerberus, the Alliance, or the Citadel can't do a Lazarus II.

[PsychoWARD23]

marshalleck wrote...

Ah yes.

The obviously troublesome implications of killing and technomagically resurrecting your protagonist within the first five minutes of the story.

What the hell were Bioware thinking? If there's an ending with Shepard dying in ME3, you can pretty much put money on the fact that people will be here asking why Cerberus, the Alliance, or the Citadel can't do a Lazarus II.

They needed an excuse to use less dialog, re-set your powers, and have a more linear story.

[Flashlegend]

Shepard dying at the beginning of ME2 and being revived two minutes later(and at all considering the method) was stupid enough; Having it happen again would just be retarded and ridiculous.

[dantares83]

yah.. .but since they already messed up the fact dead cannot be brought back to life...

y not do it again?

[onelifecrisis]

dantares83 wrote...

I am new to the ME world so pardon me if this have been discussed to the death...

I heard that the death (if you died) for the final mission is final this time and wouldn't be carried over to ME2...

this seems normal because death is death.... nobody can awoke the living

but at the beginning of ME2, Cerebus have brought Shepard back to life!!! Why can't they do it again for ME3? And with all the technologies already known, it should be much faster this time to bring anyone back to life!

so why is it final this time?

the story do not make sense...

It's called bad writing. You'll get used to it.

[LPPrince]

The death at the beginning of ME2 should've been a coma.

[The Spamming Troll]

jamesp81 wrote...

Also, it's worth pointing out that there are hints that Shepard's body was recovered at least mostly intact. Banged up, but the important stuff was there.

If Shepard gets left on the Collector Base in ME2, he kind of gets completely immolated. Nothing left to work on.

oh, a nasty sunburn and a headache is all id get from falling onto a planet from outerspace? id seen pictures of people in cars after 25 MPH car accidents. id think itd look like that, but much much worse.

reapers could use shepards goo, and prolly make a better reaper because shepards is spectre goo.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 15 juin 2011 - 01:27 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Cerberus is your enemy OP so they won't do it, The Alliance won't use those funds to bring back one soldier no matter how great, and private enterprise no longer exists in the ME world thanks to ME2 so....

[Crackseed]

The main reason is...

...there's no body to recover and revive. If you die in the end of ME2, you die in the base and soon after BOOM. While Lazarus's tech and premise was stretching things, I at least enjoyed them using it in the once instance they did. Doing it again especially after it was obvious how hard it was to do, without Shep's physical body, would be ****** poor story-telling and dumb.

[atheelogos]

dantares83 wrote...

I am new to the ME world so pardon me if this have been discussed to the death...

I heard that the death (if you died) for the final mission is final this time and wouldn't be carried over to ME2...

this seems normal because death is death.... nobody can awoke the living

but at the beginning of ME2, Cerebus have brought Shepard back to life!!! Why can't they do it again for ME3? And with all the technologies already known, it should be much faster this time to bring anyone back to life!

so why is it final this time?

the story do not make sense...

ME2 is the prime example of how not to do a resurrection story. They messed it up once and shouldn't repeat their mistakes.... that is all.

[atheelogos]

crackseed wrote...

The main reason is...

...there's no body to recover and revive.

Didn't stop them with Shepard....

[ADelusiveMan]

Never fails....well...most of the time...

[essarr71]

atheelogos wrote...

dantares83 wrote...

I am new to the ME world so pardon me if this have been discussed to the death...

I heard that the death (if you died) for the final mission is final this time and wouldn't be carried over to ME2...

this seems normal because death is death.... nobody can awoke the living

but at the beginning of ME2, Cerebus have brought Shepard back to life!!! Why can't they do it again for ME3? And with all the technologies already known, it should be much faster this time to bring anyone back to life!

so why is it final this time?

the story do not make sense...

ME2 is the prime example of how not to do a resurrection story. They messed it up once and shouldn't repeat their mistakes.... that is all.

Should they have put shep in a cave and waited 3 days?  I'm sure your version of science fiction is far superior to those who do it for a living.  Accept it or avoid it, but hate it and then help pay the writers salaries... now who is getting dubed here?

[Whatever42]

It's because mass effect 2 is the worst game in history. You should all quit the series now and go play Skyrim.

[ADelusiveMan]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

It's because mass effect 2 is the worst game in history. You should all quit the series now and go play Skyrim.

Another wander around pointlessly for an hour game? No thanks.

[KingNothing125]

Retrieving Shepard's (possibly disintegrated) body from the galactic core would be a bit more difficult than retrieving it from a random ice planet near Omega.

[Sgt Stryker]

LPPrince wrote...

The death at the beginning of ME2 should've been a coma.

QFT.

While we're at it, let's get rid of the silly notion of deorbiting into a planet and being intact enough to rebuild. What they should have done was have Shepard get into a second escape pod, except this one's flight controls gets damaged and it crashes into Alchera. Bam, a plausible scenario for Shepard's falling into Cerberus' hands. Want a story-based reason for the stat reset too? That's simple enough: have the impact be hard enough to knock Shepard into a coma, break several bones, cause severe facial trauma requiring reconstructive surgery, and maybe even paralyze Shepard. Furthermore, Shepard's death is no longer a literal death, but a highly-exaggerated one. (The rest of the galaxy believes Shepard is dead, but the ones on the inside know he/she is not)

[essarr71]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

It's because mass effect 2 is the worst game in history. You should all quit the series now and go play Skyrim.

Another wander around pointlessly for an hour game? No thanks.

OMG but thats whats a true rpg is!  Less structure, more empty open spaces and giant rats.  ME has no giant rats, hence not an rpg.

[Skirata129]

well, considering that the planet he landed on was a frozen wasteland adds more plausibility to it. there would have been significant cellular breakdown from ice crystals forming and shredding cell walls and large amounts of trauma from the impact, which is why they would have to use a ton of cybernetics in rebuilding him. also, because of breakdown in the brain, shepard would have to have at least a partially synthetic brain. Cerberus would have had to rebuild much of him from psyche profiles and behavioral analysis. and even then they probably didn't get it all right. Shepard is basically a cyborg at this point, a fact which is more evident if you go full out renegade.

[ADelusiveMan]

essarr71 wrote...

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

It's because mass effect 2 is the worst game in history. You should all quit the series now and go play Skyrim.

Another wander around pointlessly for an hour game? No thanks.

OMG but thats whats a true rpg is!  Less structure, more empty open spaces and giant rats.  ME has no giant rats, hence not an rpg.

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not. I think it is.

[Skirata129]

also, shepard had to wear a helmet on the planet during the normandy mission, so I'm going to assume there is little to no atmosphere, so re entry wouldn't have reduced his body to carbon.