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[Lumikki]

dantares83 wrote...

so why is it final this time?

the story do not make sense...

I would assume because..

1. No time for it, takes too long. " 2 years vs a few months."
2. Cerberus has the knowledge and they don't like Shepard anymore
3. The scientist who did it, is dead.

Those are my quessing..

Modifié par Lumikki, 15 juin 2011 - 03:02 .

[Leonia]

AlanC9 wrote...

How long between the raid on the Collector Base and ME3, anyway? Is there even time for another Lazarus run?

Most likely not, six to twelve months between ME2 and ME3. Even if it could be done, well there's lots of reasons why it couldn't happen again (unless someone outside Cerberus has the knowledge and even then would need at least two years to pull it off).

Too bad this universe doesn't support resurrection magic (well, not really). Where's your phoenix downs when you need them..

Honestly though, they said Shepard died at the start of ME2 but technically speaking that wasn't really the case. It's an overly simple way of saying what happened but it's not the kind of plot device that allows us to say "Hey, we can die and resurrect any time we feel like it!"

Modifié par leonia42, 15 juin 2011 - 08:16 .

[CroGamer002]

dantares83 wrote...

I am new to the ME world so pardon me if this have been discussed to the death...

I heard that the death (if you died) for the final mission (ME2) is final this time and wouldn't be carried over to ME3..

this seems normal because death is death.... nobody can awoke the living

but at the beginning of ME2, Cerebus have brought Shepard back to life!!! Why can't they do it again for ME3? And with all the technologies already known, it should be much faster this time to bring anyone back to life!

so why is it final this time?

the story do not make sense...

1. Events of Arrival by canon happen 4-10 months after end of ME2 and 2 months before start of ME3.
2. Cerberus is now enemy and they hid that technology from everyone
3. It might not work more then once

[Pride Demon]

dantares83 wrote...

Why can't they do it again for ME3?

I can think of a few reasons:

- Project Lazarus requires the body to be in a certain workable condition: in ME1 Shep was exposed to vacuum, then cauterized by orbital reentry and finally what was left of him/her put into a sort of natural "Cryo Stasys" by Alchera sub zero temperatures, that means it's unlikely rot set in or any other kind of degradation occurred; when he/she was recovered he/she was exactly as he/she was a few minutes before impacting the ground, the same is not true for his/her death at the end of ME2;

- Project Lazarus was a Cerberus secret project, nobody but them knows about it and they don't need Shep anymore or at least he/she doesn't matter so much anymore as to warrant a second Lazarus (at least that's what TIM seems to imply in the end), also there's the fact Cerb is now apparently hostile;

- Project Lazarus required two years of work, all the data about it and the staff that invented it (including the Chief Medical Tech Wilson) were destroyed either during the Mech uprising of when Cerb blew the base remotely to cover their tracks, the only one possibly alive is Miranda, but if Shep died that means she is dead too...
So, to bring Shep back again, one would need to first of all even think resurrecting people is possible (everyone Shep talked to regarding the Lazarus didn't seem to believe him/her), then one would need to restart everything from scratch: that means a ton of new creds, another two years at the very least (and they are too much, the Reapers arrive sooner) and again there's the risk of failing;

There may be other reasons that I didn't think of... Just my two cents...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 15 juin 2011 - 09:01 .

[Phaedon]

Pride Demon wrote...
- Project Lazarus requires the body to be in a certain workable condition: in ME1 Shep was exposed to vacuum, then cauterized by orbital reentry and finally what was left of him/her put into a sort of natural "Cryo Stasys" by Alchera sub zero temperatures, that means it's unlikely rot set in or any other kind of degradation occurred; when he/she was recovered he/she was exactly as he/she was a few minutes before impacting the ground, the same is not true for his/her death at the end of ME2;

And before someone mentions re-entry, no, the friction wasn't enough to burn up the Normandy's interior, so no.

[Skirata129]

...so cerberus supposedly recovered a body in free fall, before it hit, with no warning of it going into free fall, with a collector ship flying around shooting stuff, and not even knowing where shepard was, be it an escape pod or vaporized. right.

[Pride Demon]

Skirata129 wrote...

...so cerberus supposedly recovered a body in free fall, before it hit, with no warning of it going into free fall, with a collector ship flying around shooting stuff, and not even knowing where shepard was, be it an escape pod or vaporized. right.

Cerberus didn't... The Shadow Broker did...
Cerb merely stole the body from him with help from Liara and Feron...

Phaedon wrote...

And before someone mentions re-entry, no, the friction wasn't enough to burn up the Normandy's interior, so no.

What do you mean Phaedon? Were you referring to the cauterization part of my post? I didn't mean he/she was immolated and burned to a crisp, merely "cauterized", meaning every possible germ he/she had on his body was killed, so there's little chance of him/her rotting due to bacteria decomposition...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 15 juin 2011 - 09:20 .

[Phaedon]

Pride Demon wrote...
What do you mean Phaedon? Were you referring to the cauterization part of my post? I didn't mean he/she was immolated and burned to a crisp, merely "cauterized", meaning every possible germ he/she had on his body was killed, so there's little chance of him/her rotting due to bacteria decomposition...

Atmospheric re-entry is the reason that Earth's surface doesn't look like the Moon, when it comes to craters.

However, Alchera has a low density atmopshere, and seeing as the interior of Normandy and Shepard's helmet didn't burn up completely, that means that yeah, s/he wasnted burned to  a crisp.

I am just mentioning that, because it was a matter of some debate last time.

EDIT:
Don't forget the shields as well. They absorb ALL kinetic energy, for as long as they last. Even if they lasted for a milisecond, it would explai why Shepard's torso armor broke up in large pieces (Legion, Liara's apartement, helmet intact etc.)

Modifié par Phaedon, 15 juin 2011 - 10:46 .

[ChristianSoldier]

onelifecrisis wrote...

dantares83 wrote...

I am new to the ME world so pardon me if this have been discussed to the death...

I heard that the death (if you died) for the final mission is final this time and wouldn't be carried over to ME2...

this seems normal because death is death.... nobody can awoke the living

but at the beginning of ME2, Cerebus have brought Shepard back to life!!! Why can't they do it again for ME3? And with all the technologies already known, it should be much faster this time to bring anyone back to life!

so why is it final this time?

the story do not make sense...

It's called bad writing. You'll get used to it.

 
Its not bad writing. MASS EFFECT 1 was FILLED with Christian allusions. Therefore it would only make sense to make shepard follow in Jesus's footsteps.

[Pride Demon]

Phaedon wrote...

Atmospherical re-entry is the reason that Earth's surface doesn't look like the Moon, when it comes to craters.

However, Alchera has a low density atmopshere, and seeing as the interior of Normandy and Shepard's helmet didn't burn up completely, that means that yeah, s/he wasnted burned to  a crisp.

I am just mentioning that, because it was a matter of some debate last time.

EDIT:
Don't forget the shields as well. They absorb ALL kinetic energy, for as long as they last. Even if they lasted for a milisecond, it would explai why Shepard's torso armor broke up in large pieces (Legion, Liara's apartement, helmet intact etc.)

Oh, I see now... For a moment I feared I wrote something terribly stupid or wrong in my original post...
Sorry if I had to waste your time clarifying for me...

Also, good call on the shield part, it makes sense given what we know...

[Chiramu]

Flashlegend wrote...

Shepard dying at the beginning of ME2 and being revived two minutes later(and at all considering the method) was stupid enough; Having it happen again would just be retarded and ridiculous.

That start's actually a damn good idea; but the reuse in in ME3 is stupid. 

It's like what Peter Jackson had to work with for his movie translation of The Lord of the Rings. Someone "died" at the end of the first installment, he didn't want to have someone "die" for the second (even if they hadn't died).