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[Ianamus]

Mass Effect 1 showed us many odd and interesting planets and locations  during exploration, including the rift on Klendagon, which became a large plot point in ME2 with the derelict reaper. But that was not the only one we saw.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Klencory

"Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric Volus billionaire Kumum Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek out on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "Machine devils" "

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ploba

"Active scans by survey ships have returned tantilizing indications of massive, solid structures deep within the atmosphere, too regular in pattern to be anything natural. Some believe Ploba is a "Jupiter Brain" a planet-sized supercomputer. Adherants of this theory have fruitlessly beamed signals toward the sunken megastructures, hoping to get the machines attention."

Could these be significant in Mass Effect 3? or were they simply forgettable background information to make exploration more interesting in ME1?

Modifié par EJ107, 15 juin 2011 - 12:02 .

[Mountaineer Forever]

While interesting, given the amount of attention these two pieces of information were given I don't think they would be brought into as major pieces of the plot. But that's just me.

[mattahraw]

I hope they're foreshadowing, that would be kind of cool, if handled correctly.

[marshalleck]

Can't really blame you for missing a poorly titled thread that deals with the same bits of backstory..

http://social.biowar...39710/1#7640714

As per my post there, I think the "Beings of Light" have been sufficiently explained in ME1

[Ianamus]

marshalleck wrote...

Can't really blame you for missing a poorly titled thread that deals with the same bits of backstory..

http://social.biowar...39710/1#7640714

As per my post there, I think the "Beings of Light" have been sufficiently explained in ME1

damn! I spent ages checking to see if there was already a thread on this

I like your idea, but what implications does it have? If there's another Prothean 'crypt' on this planet, does it mean there could still be some Protheans alive? Perhaps it links into this whole "Prothean DLC character" thing. Would be interesting.  

[HunterX6]

if anything I hope we visit this planet: http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Junthor

it seems its the birthplace or a colony of the reapers origins or of their creators (if any) hinted by this: "The phrase "monsters from the id" is a homage to the classic and hugely influential science fiction film Forbidden Planet, where an ancient civilization of unimaginable power gave birth to monsters from their own psyche (which according to Sigmund Freud's structural model of the psyche, is composed of id, ego and super-ego), and were wiped out by these said monsters."

Modifié par HunterX6, 15 juin 2011 - 12:48 .

[Paulinius]

HunterX6 wrote...

if anything I hope we visit this planet: http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Junthor

it seems its the birthplace or a colony of the reapers origins or of their creators (if any) hinted by this: "The phrase "monsters from the id" is a homage to the classic and hugely influential science fiction film Forbidden Planet, where an ancient civilization of unimaginable power gave birth to monsters from their own psyche (which according to Sigmund Freud's structural model of the psyche, is composed of id, ego and super-ego), and were wiped out by these said monsters."

The writers for BioWare are sci-fi writers and fans. They did the homage to Forbidden Planet and the "Beings of Light" is a homage to Battlestar Galactica (mainly the original one, but it was somewhat brought up in the recent reboot).

[marshalleck]

Paulinius wrote...

The writers for BioWare are sci-fi writers and fans. They did the homage to Forbidden Planet and the "Beings of Light" is a homage to Battlestar Galactica (mainly the original one, but it was somewhat brought up in the recent reboot).

Just did some digging around in a year-old "beings of light" thread I posted in, and came across this suggestion for the angels 

http://en.wikipedia....star_Galactica)

I'm certainly receptive to that idea. I've recognized the Leviathan of Dis as a Farscape reference for some time now, but I couldn't place the Beings of Light. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 15 juin 2011 - 01:02 .

[Paulinius]

marshalleck wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

The writers for BioWare are sci-fi writers and fans. They did the homage to Forbidden Planet and the "Beings of Light" is a homage to Battlestar Galactica (mainly the original one, but it was somewhat brought up in the recent reboot).

Just did some digging around in a year-old "beings of light" thread I posted in, and came across this suggestion for the angels 

http://en.wikipedia....star_Galactica)

I'm certainly receptive to that idea. I've recognized the Leviathan of Dis as a Farscape reference for some time now, but I couldn't place the Beings of Light. 

I didn't know the Leviathan of Dis is from Farscape, since I never watched it but I heard it was good.

I really wish there was a search feature here. The same threads keep being remade over and over, which isn't really the OP's fault. But a lot of previous information gets lost, but then again, how many people really read through all the posts in a thread?

Also, the Jupiter Brain might have something to do with Epsilon 3 in Babylon 5, but that might be a stretch.

Modifié par Paulinius, 15 juin 2011 - 01:14 .

[marshalleck]

I use google site search to dig up old threads.

Just type in site:social.bioware.com {keywords here} and go to town

[Paulinius]

marshalleck wrote...

I use google site search to dig up old threads.

Just type in site:social.bioware.com {keywords here} and go to town

Thanks for the info.

[The Spamming Troll]

manuel is a prophet.

[100k]

I love reading about these ancient and mysterious civilizations.

I can't wait to see what roles these elements have in ME3, particularly the extinct races--some of which are much older than the Protheans. 

Finding out about the L of Dis is going to be the biggest thing I want to know about. We now know that the batarians are going to be a big part of the game, so I look forward to seeing what role that machine plays. 

Modifié par 100k, 15 juin 2011 - 01:35 .

[Medhia Nox]

Concerning the Leviathan of Dis - I don't think it's completely an homage to Farscape.

The Leviathan is a mythological creature (it's where Farscape gets it from) - and in Hebrew translates to "whale" - but became synonymous with Satan.

Dis Pater - also commonly refered to as "Dis" - was originally a Roman god of the Underworld, but in Dante's Divine Comedy became a region of the underworld itself.

So - it "could" actually be a wink to "The Satan of Hell".

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It could be of some significance that the Batarians - everyone's favority baddy race (the Reapers aren't a "race") - took the Leviathan of Dis. Perhaps to some signficance in future titles (or heck, even ME 3)

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 15 juin 2011 - 01:38 .

[Blacklash93]

It'll be interesting to see how/if these little lore details end up playing a part in the big picture.

[Grumpy young man]

Interesting, but I just hope those "beings of light" don't come up in the end of ME3 as some ancient good antithesis opposed to the Reapers that save us all. That would be pretty unoriginal.

[Whatever42]

If you recall past bioware games, their foreshadowing is usually a bit more obvious. I doubt this would ever play a significant part in the resolution of the series. At least I sincerely hope it doesn't.

[Dracotamer]

I hope they get attention. I hate when things like this are given attention to and then we never get closure for them.

[Dr. rotinaj]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

If you recall past bioware games, their foreshadowing is usually a bit more obvious. I doubt this would ever play a significant part in the resolution of the series. At least I sincerely hope it doesn't.

 Klendagon was important, so it isn't that far-fetched to assume that these can't be.

[Whatever42]

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

If you recall past bioware games, their foreshadowing is usually a bit more obvious. I doubt this would ever play a significant part in the resolution of the series. At least I sincerely hope it doesn't.

 Klendagon was important, so it isn't that far-fetched to assume that these can't be.

Klendagon was important as it led us to a dead Reaper. And it might be important in regards to some background lore but I doubt it will play any *direct* role in defeating the Reapers. A magic gun appearing to blow them up would be... bad.

Beings of light showing up to beat the Reapers would be worse.

However, I agree that its not far-fetched that it lead to something of equal significance to Klendagon. But it would be too close to deus ex machina for me if it were a direct role in defeating the reapers, even if it is foreshadowing.

[jamesp81]

Here's a wild assed theory.

The Leviathan of Dis, supposedly a living dreadnought taken by the Batarians.

Suppose the Leviathan of Dis wasn't just a living ship, but a Reaper. Perhaps it's even the "Elder Reaper", the first of its kind.

[Red Panda]

Perhaps they are potential agents of our salvation...

[Aimi]

jamesp81 wrote...

Here's a wild assed theory.

The Leviathan of Dis, supposedly a living dreadnought taken by the Batarians.

Suppose the Leviathan of Dis wasn't just a living ship, but a Reaper. Perhaps it's even the "Elder Reaper", the first of its kind.

That was (semi-)popular speculation before Arrival came out: the suggestion was that the batarians had acquired a Reaper (in theory, the Leviathan of Dis) but it was screwing with them, and the Alliance was trying to figure out a way to deal with it somehow.

Of course, there are holes, like the fact that the Leviathan of Dis is organic, which Reapers notably are not.  And it being a Farscape reference and not a Chekhov's Gun works just fine.

[Red Panda]

"We shall walk where none dare tread, and snatch salvation from destruction. We will stand where others have fallen, and as a whole, become stronger."
However, the avatar known as Shepard shall lead us...

[Googlesaurus]

daqs wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Here's a wild assed theory.

The Leviathan of Dis, supposedly a living dreadnought taken by the Batarians.

Suppose the Leviathan of Dis wasn't just a living ship, but a Reaper. Perhaps it's even the "Elder Reaper", the first of its kind.

That was (semi-)popular speculation before Arrival came out: the suggestion was that the batarians had acquired a Reaper (in theory, the Leviathan of Dis) but it was screwing with them, and the Alliance was trying to figure out a way to deal with it somehow.

Of course, there are holes, like the fact that the Leviathan of Dis is organic, which Reapers notably are not.  And it being a Farscape reference and not a Chekhov's Gun works just fine.

Hmmm? Pretty sure that the pseudo-organic nature of Reapers was revealed at the end of ME2.