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[Obsidian Gryphon]

I hope Shep survived, with at least a good ending. I don't wanna get an unpleasant surprise like; oh, btw, you have only 20 years to live because there is  a "clause" / fault in the Lazarus Project.  

[Destroy Raiden_]

It worked in DA to make my character decided to kill herself sense all she wanted was to be with Alister then he became king and ruined that, then she decided I'll still be able to fight in your army when you're king, but then he ruined that, she wouldn't take the 3rd option and tell him what to do with his body, and she found out she had 30 years to live so min-as-well cut it short doing something big.

So if shep did get a early death I would be interested to see what circumstances BW throws at shep and add that into weather or not I'll kill him or I'll let him find a 3rd option that allows him to win against the reapers and survive or do the douche bag response and let everybody die except me.

[Aedan_Cousland]

If I were Bioware I'd set it up where at the end someone has to sacrifice themselves to destroy the Reapers. Whether Shepard, Anderson, or maybe one of the two squadmates you brought with you on the end run. You'd be faced with a Virmire like choice where you have to choose between who lives and who dies, but death can't be avoided.

Players that want their Shep to survive allow the squadmate or Anderson to go down with the proverbial ship, while players that want the heroic sacrifice ending, have their Shepard save their team at the cost of their own life.

[Sbri]

The heroic sacrifice ending is getting a little old. I'm not saying that it can't be well done, but it seems that we are getting far fewer "happy" endings then heroic deaths. In truth I'm almost expecting such an end the ME3, an am already feeling a little depressed about it. I understand the logic of ending Shepard's story with their death, but s/he's already died once. Dieing again will just feel......expected, cliched, and been done already.
That said, if anyone can make it work, I'm sure Bioware can.

[OdanUrr]

Sbri wrote...

The heroic sacrifice ending is getting a little old. I'm not saying that it can't be well done, but it seems that we are getting far fewer "happy" endings then heroic deaths. In truth I'm almost expecting such an end the ME3, an am already feeling a little depressed about it. I understand the logic of ending Shepard's story with their death, but s/he's already died once. Dieing again will just feel......expected, cliched, and been done already.
That said, if anyone can make it work, I'm sure Bioware can.

Yes, the "heroic sacrifice" has been done to death (pun intended). Yes, it's a recurring cliché. And yes, I love it just the same, provided it's done properly. The Warden's sacrifice was epic because you only know about it at the very end. Throughout the games, Shepard always knows there's a chance he might not be coming back. What if he knew for certain he's not coming back earlier in the game? How would he deal with that knowledge? I think it's an idea worth exploring.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 15 juin 2011 - 11:24 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

OdanUrr wrote...

Sbri wrote...

The heroic sacrifice ending is getting a little old. I'm not saying that it can't be well done, but it seems that we are getting far fewer "happy" endings then heroic deaths. In truth I'm almost expecting such an end the ME3, an am already feeling a little depressed about it. I understand the logic of ending Shepard's story with their death, but s/he's already died once. Dieing again will just feel......expected, cliched, and been done already.
That said, if anyone can make it work, I'm sure Bioware can.

Yes, the "heroic sacrifice" has been done to death (pun intended). Yes, it's a recurring cliché. And yes, I love it just the same, provided it's done properly. The Warden's sacrifice was epic because you only know about it at the very end. Throughout the games, Shepard always knows there's a chance he might not be coming back. What if he knew for certain he's not coming back earlier in the game? How would he deal with that knowledge? I think it's an idea worth exploring.

Assuming there is a heroic sacrifice ending, I like the forshadowing in LotSB where Shepard tells Liara that even if he somehow pulls off defeating the Reapers, he probably doesn't survive to enjoy the victory parade.

[mopotter]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

daqs wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

I'm hoping there is an option, but is is basically the opposite of ME2.

In ME2 Shepard could die but only if he didn't prepare adequately and made the wrong tactical or strategic decisions. In ME3 I'd like to see the opposite take place, where Shep dies because he made the right tactical or strategic decisions.

Um, your sense of causation is weird.  "Let's reward people for doing the right thing by...killing them! Yaaaay"

This. Fallout 3 was hated for this very reason until Broken Steel was created.

I was among the haters with a capital  H.  I was late in buying FA and was ready to take it back and trade it in when I heard about broken steel.  Now it's one of my top 10 keepers.  

I had better have one "happy" ending where Shepard and the LI survive, reapers are destroyed or pushed back into dark sapce and while earth and other planets are damaged with a lot of work to be done, no one was sacrificed and I'm willing to work a bit harder for that ending.  I've spent too damn much time getting to this 3rd game to have my entire experience end in an ending that makes me want to drive my car off a cliff.  

That said, I hope they do have a sacrifice ending for those people who think that's cool.  I'd make it the easy ending you don't have to work hard for.  

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Modifié par mopotter, 16 juin 2011 - 01:19 .

[Malanek]

Sheaprd's fate is to become known as High Admiral Shepard.

[Conquerthecity]

I'm sorry, but I've read so many books lately with downer hero-dies endings, that I want one in ME3 that's sunshine and rainbows.

[KainrycKarr]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

I'm hoping there is an option, but is is basically the opposite of ME2.

In ME2 Shepard could die but only if he didn't prepare adequately and made the wrong tactical or strategic decisions. In ME3 I'd like to see the opposite take place, where Shep dies because he made the right tactical or strategic decisions.

...Let's not, and say we didn't.

And for the OP, I'm pretty sure we'll have happy endings, failed endings, and everything in between.

We know we can continue to play afterwards. So I'd say that all but says that at least one ending will have Shepard surviving.

[Aedan_Cousland]

That said, I hope they do have a sacrifice ending for those people who think that's cool.  I'd make it the easy ending you don't have to work hard for.  

If Bioware did it that way, it wouldn't be a heroic sacrifice ending. It would be similar to ME2 where Shepard dies because of tactical blunders and lack of preparation for the final battle. There is nothing heroic in dying because of a blunder.

They only way for there to be a heroic sacrifice ending is if Shepard does everything right and still dies anyway. (which is why I support a Virmire like choice between you and a teammate in the end game)

[KainrycKarr]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

That said, I hope they do have a sacrifice ending for those people who think that's cool.  I'd make it the easy ending you don't have to work hard for.  

If Bioware did it that way, it wouldn't be a heroic sacrifice ending. It would be similar to ME2 where Shepard dies because of tactical blunders and lack of preparation for the final battle. There is nothing heroic in dying because of a blunder.

They only way for there to be a heroic sacrifice ending is if Shepard does everything right and still dies anyway. (which is why I support a Virmire like choice between you and a teammate in the end game)

No.

[KainrycKarr]

_Nev4r wrote...

There should be all kinds of Endings like Shepard dies and Lives with a lot of choices

This is what will happen, based on what we know from Casey.

[Aedan_Cousland]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

That said, I hope they do have a sacrifice ending for those people who think that's cool.  I'd make it the easy ending you don't have to work hard for.  

If Bioware did it that way, it wouldn't be a heroic sacrifice ending. It would be similar to ME2 where Shepard dies because of tactical blunders and lack of preparation for the final battle. There is nothing heroic in dying because of a blunder.

They only way for there to be a heroic sacrifice ending is if Shepard does everything right and still dies anyway. (which is why I support a Virmire like choice between you and a teammate in the end game)

No.

Yes.

[Daddy Bags]

OdanUrr wrote...

It's just an opinion but I think Paragon Shepard would most likely choose to sacrifice himself if the issue came up at some point during the game. This all started with the message that was downloaded into Shepard's brain through the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime. Later on, Shepard gets the cipher as well to interpret these "visions" he keeps having. Perhaps the cipher will allow him to operate lost Prothean technology in his journey to defeat the Reapers

I don't think the Beacon on Eden Prime and the Cipher's purpose are related to the one with which you state. They were designed to give the user information about the Conduit (the back door entrance to the Citadel). He never uses them once in ME2.

It's a nice thought but I think there are some holes to it. I could be wrong though. Who knows. I can't wait to see what BioWare has in store for us.

[mopotter]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

That said, I hope they do have a sacrifice ending for those people who think that's cool.  I'd make it the easy ending you don't have to work hard for.  

If Bioware did it that way, it wouldn't be a heroic sacrifice ending. It would be similar to ME2 where Shepard dies because of tactical blunders and lack of preparation for the final battle. There is nothing heroic in dying because of a blunder.

They only way for there to be a heroic sacrifice ending is if Shepard does everything right and still dies anyway. (which is why I support a Virmire like choice between you and a teammate in the end game)

It does not have to be a blunder.  It could be that Shepard feels it more important to finish this as fast as possible so that fewer will have to die.   But if they do another VS survivor and that's the only option i'll be poed.  Once is enough.  

I still play ME1 so i have this forced sacrifice of a team member every time I start a new game.  Since I like both Ash ad Kaidan it's not an easy, I hate so and so choice and I don't want another one like it.  

Luckily I agree with KainrycKarr that they will have more than one ending style.  it's going to be a long wait.