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BioWare Marketing director David Silverman confirms FemShep will be on the cover of ME3 - FemShep trailer soon


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Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

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the collector's edition, being exactly that should have unique things for all the fans, not just something for a small percentage of them - yeah there's some other stuff, but in lieu of a mega-ultra edition wouldn't it have been nice to have had something really unique on the abck of the case - a reaper, perhaps (being the arch-villains and all and keeping continuity with the previous game's CE). after all putting femshep up there is no different than iconic shepard - neither is necessarily your shepard - so what's the point?


Yes, keeping continuity across the game's cases is a super-important detail.  :?

Especially when
A) They don't even keep continuity for the game itself, and
B) They already broke "game-case continuity" by having an older, non-Vanderloo Shepard on the back of the ME1 CE.

Also, the "point" is representation and acknowledgment of a part of the fanbase.  As you said, it should have unique things for "all the fans", and some fans want femShep acknowledgment.


actually yes, continuity is important - not least for brand recognition (and the ME1 CE slip-up was only using an old screenshot of the then- default shep), and the real one was still on the cover =]
the game's continuity has also been kept as consistent as possible - you can't really be trying to use that as justification, can you? :huh:
i think you completely misunderstood " for all the fans" in my post.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 15 juin 2011 - 01:39 .


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No matter how big or small, anything Bioware does, there will always be people who complain.

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I will only be pleased if femshep wears a cat suit on the cover photo.  :P

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Mesina2 wrote...

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I don't like this at all. Cannon Shep should be the only one on the cover. If they're gonna have femshep, they might as well put my custom Shep on the cover too.


Cannon?
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Oh you mean canon.


Well here are news. There is not canon Shepard but one that player makes.


Here you are,one canon for you
http://t2.gstatic.co...ElVk3vixeOJl1pE

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Yes, box art and awesomezzz connected now in ME3. He should be concerned about the state of the game itself, and "marketing" it on that; not the damn box art. Where did they find this guy? He has to be related to someone high up in EA.

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News for you: there are some people in Bioware whose only job is marketing!

If you watch the credits for any of their games, you'll even find they have such ludicrous positions as 'Accounting' and 'Legal'! In a game developer? Wtf?!?!

Yeah. Stop being so conspiratorial.

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As for box art...she is on the back (next to Wrex) of the regular edition of ME1.

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NICKjnp wrote...

As for box art...she is on the back (next to Wrex) of the regular edition of ME1.



we don't mention that shes hidden because they hate her.

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 15 juin 2011 - 01:44 .


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About damn time!Image IPB

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About effin' time!!! WOOOOOO! Jennifer Hale certainly deserves the recognition!:wub:

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Jebel Krong wrote...
actually yes, continuity is important - not least for brand recognition (and the ME1 CE slip-up was only using an old screenshot of the then- default shep), and the real one was still on the cover =]
the game's continuity has also been kept as consistent as possible - you can't really be trying to use that as justification, can you? :huh:
i think you completely misunderstood " for all the fans" in my post.


Even if you do try to use the "brand recognition" argument it  doesn't work.  Firstly because the actual covers of the ME Collector's Editions have already been inconsistent.  ME1 CE has Sheploo, Ashley, and Garrus on the cover.  ME2 CE has a close-up of the N7 logo.

It's already inconsistent, and femShep is on the back of the metal case insert behind the N7 cover.  How does that help brand recognition?  How does that "inconsistency" become more important than the actual front cover inconsistency?

Your "for all the fans" argument doesn't make sense.  If Sheploo can be on the cover of these games and still count as "for all the fans" then it's the same situation for femShep.  If your point is that the cases are already not for all the fans then keeping it that way (since my Shepard is neither the default femShep nor Sheploo) is consistent.
At the end of the day, putting femShep on the cover is too little too late for we who have been clamoring for some femShep recognition since way before ME1 even came out, but at least it's a step forward in acknowledging a sizeable part of the fanbase.  It is also more accurate at describing their game, which is a plus.

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Can't wait

I wanna see all Shep Trailers :)

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@Flyingwalrus

I'm well aware he's in marketing. That's my point.

Conspiracies!!! Where?

Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 15 juin 2011 - 02:07 .


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Persephone wrote...

About effin' time!!! WOOOOOO! Jennifer Hale certainly deserves the recognition!:wub:


Jennifer Hale>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mark Meh.

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Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

About effin' time!!! WOOOOOO! Jennifer Hale certainly deserves the recognition!:wub:


Jennifer Hale>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mark Meh.


Nope. Mark Meer > Jennifer Hale.

Besides, femshep on the cover != Jennifer Hale. Femshep looks nothing like her! 

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 15 juin 2011 - 01:59 .


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KalSkirata999 wrote...

No matter how big or small, anything Bioware does, there will always be people who complain.


This. Didn't bother me that Femshep wasn't on the cover or in marketing before, doesn't bother me that she is now.

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Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
actually yes, continuity is important - not least for brand recognition (and the ME1 CE slip-up was only using an old screenshot of the then- default shep), and the real one was still on the cover =]
the game's continuity has also been kept as consistent as possible - you can't really be trying to use that as justification, can you? :huh:
i think you completely misunderstood " for all the fans" in my post.


Even if you do try to use the "brand recognition" argument it  doesn't work.  Firstly because the actual covers of the ME Collector's Editions have already been inconsistent.  ME1 CE has Sheploo, Ashley, and Garrus on the cover.  ME2 CE has a close-up of the N7 logo.

It's already inconsistent, and femShep is on the back of the metal case insert behind the N7 cover.  How does that help brand recognition?  How does that "inconsistency" become more important than the actual front cover inconsistency?

Your "for all the fans" argument doesn't make sense.  If Sheploo can be on the cover of these games and still count as "for all the fans" then it's the same situation for femShep.  If your point is that the cases are already not for all the fans then keeping it that way (since my Shepard is neither the default femShep nor Sheploo) is consistent.
At the end of the day, putting femShep on the cover is too little too late for we who have been clamoring for some femShep recognition since way before ME1 even came out, but at least it's a step forward in acknowledging a sizeable part of the fanbase.  It is also more accurate at describing their game, which is a plus.


hold on, hold on - so you're saying 'sheploo' somehow doesn't represent the series for everyone, at the very least, in terms of marketing (let alone representing BW's version of shepard for stuff like videos/magazines etc)? that's spurious. default/iconic shep has always been/was designed for that.

why does femshep deserve special recognition? femshep is not iconic shepard, she's not anyone's custom shepard, she's not anything to anyone. should i start a support group for cutom shepards on everything?! :pinched:

what 'metal case insert' are you talking about? femshep is definitely not on the tin case that holds the game, or the plastic sleeve. personally i thought the ME2 boxart was the best of all worlds, and the tin case had classy, simple representations of shepard on the front and harbinger on the back - i'd certainly like something similar for the sequel. instead of pandering to minorities, BW could be making trailers showcasing other cool stuff, rather then just highlighting the already-known fact that you can have a female shepard in there, too! <_<

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 15 juin 2011 - 02:04 .


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Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...


Nope. Mark Meer > Jennifer Hale.

Besides, femshep on the cover != Jennifer Hale. Femshep looks nothing like her! 


You do realise that Mark Meer is not the face for ShepLOO, right?

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Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

About effin' time!!! WOOOOOO! Jennifer Hale certainly deserves the recognition!:wub:


Jennifer Hale>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mark Meh.


Nope. Mark Meer > Jennifer Hale.

Besides, femshep on the cover != Jennifer Hale. Femshep looks nothing like her! 


Agreed

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Beerfish wrote...

I will only be pleased if femshep wears a cat suit on the cover photo.  :P


Signed.

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Possible Female Cover Shepard?.

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oh.. nice. very nice. That's even better news than the 'Invasion' trailer does.

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 @Jebel  your beating a dead horse.  What your talking about with "brand recognition" is whats important to you and your perspective of it.   You just want MaleShep, specifically the default appearance on there only. 


At the end of the day its your opinion of what YOU want Bioware to do and that it should remain set in its ways. Thats of keeping the one image of Shepard.  However as my previous post stated they decided that they would be flexible and change their stance.    Bioware is still a business and as I said if they thought it would hurt the brand image of Mass Effect they wouldnt do it.    Marketing has decided that there is a good enough reason to break their established model.

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Jebel Krong wrote...
hold on, hold on - so you're saying 'sheploo' somehow doesn't represent the series for everyone, at the very least, in terms of marketing (let alone representing BW's version of shepard for stuff like videos/magazines etc)? that's spurious. default/iconic shep has always been/was designed for that.

why does femshep deserve special recognition? femshep is not iconic shepard, she's not anyone's custom shepard, she's not anything to anyone. should i start a support group for cutom shepards on everything?! :pinched:

what 'metal case insert' are you talking about? femshep is definitely not on the tin case that holds the game, or the plastic sleeve. personally i thought the ME2 boxart was the best of all worlds, and the tin case had classy, simple representations of shepard on the front and harbinger on the back - i'd certainly like something similar for the sequel. instead of pandering to minorities, BW could be making trailers showcasing other cool stuff, rather then just highlighting the already-known fact that you can have a female shepard in there, too! <_<


Sheploo does not even come close to representing Mass Effect for me.  It represents someone else's option; someone else's ideal.  As such it is no different from putting default femShep on the box.  Some people use Sheploo; some people use the default femShep.  It's the exact same scenario.  "BioWare's version of Shepard" is a marketing gimmick.  It's not the canon Shepard and it wasn't designed to appeal to everyone.  If it was, then it would be the only possible Shepard.

As for the metal case, this is what I'm talking about:
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As it clearly states, femShep will be on the collectible metal tin case which will be inside the slip cover.  The slip cover has the N7 art on it (assuming that's finalized).  Therefore this femShep recognition will not in any way affect brand recognition.  Your argument that it is pointless pandering to a minority is completely asinine.  How the hell would putting some generic reaper on that tin case be better than putting femShep there?  You personally don't want to look at femShep and would rather look at a reaper?  Well, too damned bad for you, I guess.  I didn't want to look at some supermodel Sheploo on the case, but it wasn't that big a deal for me.

FemShep does not deserve "special" recognition.  She deserves simple recognition.  Never in a million years would I expect or hope BioWare to even give her equal recognition, but simple recognition is long overdue.  And it's not "obvious" that you can play a femShep.  A lot of people had no idea, and there are still those that have no idea.  ME2 especially, there was absolutely no acknowledgment of a female Shepard except for when someone specifically asked on these forums (which the majority of players don't even visit) or when a third party previewer decided to acknowledge that it was possible (which wasn't often).  It was not on the box; it was not on the website.
This tiny, insignificant nod towards femSheps is a simple niceity in acknowledging the femShep fanbase.  And the sad thing is that it is far more than I expected from BioWare, and far less than femShep deserves.

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All I have to say is that it's about time, and I thank BW for putting forth the extra effort to do this.