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[Huntress]

OdanUrr wrote...

Trying to bring both the Warden and Hawke's stories together in DA3 would be very difficult, not to mention potentially disappointing. I think they'd have a better shot at rounding Hawke's story.

Tentative plot:

Four months have passed since the uprising of the Circle in Kirkwall. More circles have followed, and a resistance movement is growing under the leadership of Kanos Lemet, a Tevinter mage and former Grey Warden.

In Orlais, the Chantry is at odds as to how best deal with the situation. While the Divine Justinia V calls for peace with the mages, there's a growing sentiment to unleash the fury of the Templar Order under the command of Knight-Vigilant Regan. But the templars are few, and the mages are many, so alliances are being forged throughout Thedas to gather support for another Exalted March.

The Champion of Kirkwall has vanished, gone in a self-imposed exile after the events that tore his new home apart. While he tries to make sense of a world submerged in chaos and his role in it, he meets an old friend who has news most dire: the Qunari are coming, and their intentions are anything but peaceful.

Now Hawke must try to unite a land in disarray that seems determined to go to war.

But in this war... the price of victory... is defeat.

My end:
The Price of Victory When Defeat is Not an Option:whistle:

[dsl08002]

Huntress wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Trying to bring both the Warden and Hawke's stories together in DA3 would be very difficult, not to mention potentially disappointing. I think they'd have a better shot at rounding Hawke's story.

Tentative plot:

Four months have passed since the uprising of the Circle in Kirkwall. More circles have followed, and a resistance movement is growing under the leadership of Kanos Lemet, a Tevinter mage and former Grey Warden.

In Orlais, the Chantry is at odds as to how best deal with the situation. While the Divine Justinia V calls for peace with the mages, there's a growing sentiment to unleash the fury of the Templar Order under the command of Knight-Vigilant Regan. But the templars are few, and the mages are many, so alliances are being forged throughout Thedas to gather support for another Exalted March.

The Champion of Kirkwall has vanished, gone in a self-imposed exile after the events that tore his new home apart. While he tries to make sense of a world submerged in chaos and his role in it, he meets an old friend who has news most dire: the Qunari are coming, and their intentions are anything but peaceful.

Now Hawke must try to unite a land in disarray that seems determined to go to war.

But in this war... the price of victory... is defeat.

My end:
The Price of Victory When Defeat is Not an Option:whistle:

I don´t  think that hawke has to much to offer because i experienced DA2 as a "Lelianas song dlc": a background story of a party member. I think and hope that the main chracter will once more be the hero of ferelden.

[AstoundingArcaneArcher]

The rest of the semi-finals. Ahh, the Blight is knocked out of the Thedas Domination Tournament and the Warden will have to wait until the final. Current fixtures are:

Flemeth v. Morrigan

Mages v. Templars

Hawke, as ever, with be the referee.

[Huntress]

dsl08002 wrote...

Huntress wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Trying to bring both the Warden and Hawke's stories together in DA3 would be very difficult, not to mention potentially disappointing. I think they'd have a better shot at rounding Hawke's story.

Tentative plot:

Four months have passed since the uprising of the Circle in Kirkwall. More circles have followed, and a resistance movement is growing under the leadership of Kanos Lemet, a Tevinter mage and former Grey Warden.

In Orlais, the Chantry is at odds as to how best deal with the situation. While the Divine Justinia V calls for peace with the mages, there's a growing sentiment to unleash the fury of the Templar Order under the command of Knight-Vigilant Regan. But the templars are few, and the mages are many, so alliances are being forged throughout Thedas to gather support for another Exalted March.

The Champion of Kirkwall has vanished, gone in a self-imposed exile after the events that tore his new home apart. While he tries to make sense of a world submerged in chaos and his role in it, he meets an old friend who has news most dire: the Qunari are coming, and their intentions are anything but peaceful.

Now Hawke must try to unite a land in disarray that seems determined to go to war.

But in this war... the price of victory... is defeat.

My end:
The Price of Victory When Defeat is Not an Option:whistle:

I don´t  think that hawke has to much to offer because i experienced DA2 as a "Lelianas song dlc": a background story of a party member. I think and hope that the main chracter will once more be the hero of ferelden.

I don't know what experience you had with DA2, I have a good time playing it, in fact even if hawke story ends likes... this... and  DA3 has a new character, but it includes mage/templar/seeker war going on i'll survive it. I dought  you will with such a hopes.

"The warden story ended when it sank the blade in the archdemon", how many times does bioware has to tell you people?? ...and then they ask others to learn to read..<_<

[RedDragon729]

Here is my two cents, of course.

Firstly, forget the revered "Hero of Ferelden". He was a good bloke, if quite silent most of the time. Now for we whom have played through the entire series and of course, must look at the two games, if I may, at a stand off fashion. We have moved almost 8 years into the future from the ending of Dragon Age: Awakening. The "Hero",if you will, has gone silent, unheard of, unseen, and perhaps is sitting smoking a bong next to the Ashes of Andraste. Now, we must look at the two stories as a whole. Frankly the "Hero" has nothing to offer in DA3. He has been played out. I must admit, however tentatively, and with the utmost reverance for my beloved Hero, Hawke has kicked his arse in every respect. They would, if the hero was to be even considered, bring him back as an NPC, yet even then, he would be much older. Ferelden has nothing what-so-ever to offer to this story. I would see them finally bringing back Morrigan to the stage, yet then, were forgetting, Shes been preggers and has birthed an old god. Perhaps that will be the Main Character. Would that not be a grand turn of events? There is much to think about in regaurds to this plot we have before us. But as always, Bioware will not disappoint, that is the only certainty. I can also see them keeping, if not brushing up, the combat system. This will be all-out-war, ladies and gentlemen rest assured.

[RedDragon729]

I don´t think that hawke has to much to offer because i experienced DA2 as a "Lelianas song dlc": a background story of a party member. I think and hope that the main chracter will once more be the hero of ferelden.


Are you daft? That in no way, shape, and/or form even slightly resembles a background story for Lilliana. If you remember, she doesnt appear until the conclusion. And if you remember, thats in the future from her time with the Warden. ^-^ Pay attention mate.

[Huntress]

I am not but at least i can read quite clearly..

"The warden story ended when it sank the blade in the archdemon"

Do you comprehend  what that means?

[RedDragon729]

Forgive me I was asking (dsl08002).

[AstoundingArcaneArcher]

Back on topic people please, We wouldn't want to be Stanley Woo'd on a topic only 3 pages long.

[RedDragon729]

Indeed

[OdanUrr]

It seems quite clear, to me anyway, that DA2 sets up Hawke as the new "hero" of the franchise, so we'll likely continue to see his story in DA3. The plot description I wrote seemed like the logical place to go after DA2.

EDIT: Plus, DA3 would serve to give Hawke some purpose, something he seemed to be lacking in DA2. Hawke probably feels responsible for the resolution of the Kirkwall conflict and everyone else seems to hold him/her accountable for it according to the epilogue. It would make sense for Hawke, and no-one else, to try and bring the mage-templar conflict to an end.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 12 juillet 2011 - 02:01 .

[Sutekh]

Huntress wrote...

I am not but at least i can read quite clearly..

"The warden story ended when it sank the blade in the archdemon"

Just out of curiosity, where does this come from?

[RedDragon729]

OdanUrr wrote...

It seems quite clear, to me anyway, that DA2 sets up Hawke as the new "hero" of the franchise, so we'll likely continue to see his story in DA3. The plot description I wrote seemed like the logical place to go after DA2.

EDIT: Plus, DA3 would serve to give Hawke some purpose, something he seemed to be lacking in DA2. Hawke probably feels responsible for the resolution of the Kirkwall conflict and everyone else seems to hold him/her accountable for it according to the epilogue. It would make sense for Hawke, and no-one else, to try and bring the mage-templar conflict to an end.

I can certainly see your point and view on this matter.I also think they will indeed tie some of the elements of the first into the second, it would make sense to me to bring back some old faces, even if they are not serving in the same compacity as they did. Much like they did with Isabella. Am I shooting in the dark? I would think not .

[RedDragon729]

Edit: O.o where *image removed* is. Blast you EMOTICONS!

Edit: I however feel I must contest your statement of Hawke seeming to serve no real purpose in DA2. I agree that he/she seemed to YOU that, again, he/she served no purpose. Throughout the whole story of DA2 he/she did indeed serve a purpose. In the beginning, his purpose was providing for his/her family. Then it progressed and progressed from there throwing him into fantastical situations. It was a marvel to behold. It wasnt until perhaps the middle that the characters true purpose was foretold in grand fashion. To simply be a match to a growing flame. A flame that no matter your stance, needed to be lit, and the fires fanned. Be you on the side of templar, or be you on the side of mage, this indeed needed to happen.

Modifié par RedDragon729, 12 juillet 2011 - 02:25 .

[RedDragon729]

Post Script: However I do not agree with your "Lack of purpose statement". The conclusion is clear that he did indeed have a purpose, even if he didnt know exactly what that was. He served as the metaphorical match to the Mage "Situation" alighting it like a flame to gasoline. That was his purpose, even if he/she doesnt agree with it at all. >.>

[OdanUrr]

RedDragon729 wrote...

Post Script: However I do not agree with your "Lack of purpose statement". The conclusion is clear that he did indeed have a purpose, even if he didnt know exactly what that was. He served as the metaphorical match to the Mage "Situation" alighting it like a flame to gasoline. That was his purpose, even if he/she doesnt agree with it at all. >.>

I wasn't referring to Hawke not having a purpose as a character in the story that Bioware wants to tell, but rather that he doesn't have a goal of his own. It's not like in the case of the Warden where the PC's goal is to defeat the Blight. Hawke has such a goal in Act I, but then he seems content with just living. He is on the receiving end of everyone else's agendas, mainly because he doesn't have one of his own.

[RedDragon729]

OdanUrr wrote...

RedDragon729 wrote...

Post Script: However I do not agree with your "Lack of purpose statement". The conclusion is clear that he did indeed have a purpose, even if he didnt know exactly what that was. He served as the metaphorical match to the Mage "Situation" alighting it like a flame to gasoline. That was his purpose, even if he/she doesnt agree with it at all. >.>

I wasn't referring to Hawke not having a purpose as a character in the story that Bioware wants to tell, but rather that he doesn't have a goal of his own. It's not like in the case of the Warden where the PC's goal is to defeat the Blight. Hawke has such a goal in Act I, but then he seems content with just living. He is on the receiving end of everyone else's agendas, mainly because he doesn't have one of his own.

It does indeed feel that way slightly. Yet, perhaps Hawke is the ultimate form of giving person. Perhaps his purpose is to be a tool. Much like the Antivan Crows. They are tools. Yet even the Warden was such a tool. He did as was expected and metaphorically commanded of him. Simply being a Grey Warden demands such. It may seem that I am playing Devils advocate, perhaps I am. I do agree with you, sincerely. Yet I also feel this aswell. Torn perhaps? But never the less, In the third i suspect it will be much of the same, he will be sent, either by his own free will (doubtful with the chantry on his tail already) or by some other outside force. *Shrugs*

[AstoundingArcaneArcher]

My efforts are futile *see previous post by me* it seems.

[RedDragon729]

Be patient with me, I'm new to the whole forums thing. Ill get the hang of it eventually. Or ill beat my keyboard into submission.

[AstoundingArcaneArcher]

It would be pretty funny to see you beat your keyboard into submission. Anyways, just sayin'.

[Ronin2006]

OdanUrr wrote...

It seems quite clear, to me anyway, that DA2 sets up Hawke as the new "hero" of the franchise, so we'll likely continue to see his story in DA3.

[OdanUrr]

dsl08002 wrote...

I don´t  think that hawke has to much to offer because i experienced DA2 as a "Lelianas song dlc": a background story of a party member. I think and hope that the main chracter will once more be the hero of ferelden.

It's funny, I just posted on another thread something that I believe answers this point. Paraphrasing myself, perhaps part of the problem with seeing DA2's plot as kind of a background story for Hawke (this is what you're saying, right?) is that... it kinda is. DA2 is, to my mind, setting up Hawke as the new hero of the DA franchise, like Shepard is to ME. He has a larger role to play in the DA universe and we'll probably see more of his story in DA3. The problem with DA2 may be where Bioware decided to cut short Hawke's story to leave it open for a sequel, and how that "beginning" is narrated. On the other hand, the Warden's story was told in a single installment! This is not to say beginnings are a bad thing since Mass Effect is a great beginning story while still being a great story, if you understand what I mean.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 12 juillet 2011 - 02:53 .

[AstoundingArcaneArcher]

OdanUrr wrote...

dsl08002 wrote...

I don´t  think that hawke has to much to offer because i experienced DA2 as a "Lelianas song dlc": a background story of a party member. I think and hope that the main chracter will once more be the hero of ferelden.

It's funny, I just posted on another thread something that I believe answers this point. Paraphrasing myself, perhaps part of the problem with seeing DA2's plot as kind of a background story for Hawke (this is what you're saying, right?) is that... it kinda is. DA2 is, to my mind, setting up Hawke as the new hero of the DA franchise, like Shepard is to ME. He has a larger role to play in the DA universe and we'll probably see more of his story in DA3. The problem with DA2 may be where Bioware decided to cut short Hawke's story to leave it open for a sequel, and how that "beginning" is narrated. On the other hand, the Warden's story was told in a single installment! This is not to say beginnings are a bad thing since Mass Effect is a great beginning story while still being a great story, if you understand what I mean.

Well, the main problem with beginning stories is that they don't really have a solid end, like the Warden's story and can be seen as a sequel tease. 

[Fearsome1]

Since it’s been heavily intimated that the setting for DA 3 will be built around Orlais, I’m quite comfortable with the following characters returning in whatever capacity: Leliana, Cassandra Pentaghast, Stroud, Bodahn & Sandal.
 
I think that it would be cool to include Knight-Captain Cullen as tank and Feynriel as a mage companion, since Flemeth is bound to appear (and perhaps even be a major boss). Charade Amell would be an interesting rogue choice for DA 3 too.
 
I have no idea how both the Warden and Hawke could be added to Dragon Age 3, but it would be great if they could be worked in for major guest starring roles. For the original Warden character something akin to what the film “Beneath the Planet of the Apes” did with Charlton Heston’s character, prominently seen at the beginning, and then returning at the conclusion of that movie. Hawke could then be utilized during the middle portion of the DA 3. These are just suggestions of course.
 
As for representatives from other races, I definitely want elves, dwarves & qunari to be included. That Qunari who warned Hawke about the ambush on the Wounded Coast comes to mind. When it comes to having established characters repeat, of the dwarves we’ve seen, Oghren, Sigrun & Varric; the latter is my personal favorite, but I would go with the female Sigrun for DA 3.
 
Any other possible options I would prefer to wait and see.