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[Persona]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Persona wrote...

Honestly I am against same sex stuff in games. Why? Because as soon as a game adds it. Ever new game or sequel, the gaymers start wanting ever npc to be gay in some way. Honestly if you want a realistic game then not everone is gay. Thats where I see a problem, like in dragon age 2 everone being gay I thought was stupid. The only 2 stright people you couldn't romance. Honestly if you are going to add some s/s then don't make everone a raging ******.

... the love interests were bisexual.  There IS a difference.

But there are going to be s/s options for everyone this time around, so there isn't much use bawing over it now.

I hate how everone says BI.  No they are gay or they would not hit on you.   And I say raging cause when you turn them down they get pissed.  Honestly the rival excuse is dumb.   I am not bawing either I am stating why I don't like it.  This is another reason I am against s/s in games, because then people who are gay start jumping on ever post against it.  So basically saying that people who are not gay don't have a say cause if they do all the sudden they are gay haters.  Also this should be shut down why, cause its not for s/s romance?

Modifié par Persona, 15 juin 2011 - 11:13 .

[Darthnemesis2]

After the whole spider thing in disturbia, Rihanna kinda scares me :/

[ZenoX]

I just hope there's actually more dialogue with Garrus, for the male Shepard. After talking with him a few times, all of his dialogue was spent, and he was just calibrating all the time. But for the female Shepard, when he wants to stick it in you, he has some more dialogue lines.

I loved the dialogue with him in Mass Effect 1, plenty of things to talk about, how he almost became a Spectre and all that. Told him not to be such a renegade guy... good times. I didn't even mind the extremely slow lift to get down to him.

Then in Mass Effect 2 we barely spoke outside of missions, lost a lot of the bromance there. It felt like they left a lot of stuff out, too little dialogue if you were the wrong gender, and therefore not romancable.

[Darthnemesis2]

Persona wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Persona wrote...

Honestly I am against same sex stuff in games. Why? Because as soon as a game adds it. Ever new game or sequel, the gaymers start wanting ever npc to be gay in some way. Honestly if you want a realistic game then not everone is gay. Thats where I see a problem, like in dragon age 2 everone being gay I thought was stupid. The only 2 stright people you couldn't romance. Honestly if you are going to add some s/s then don't make everone a raging ******.

... the love interests were bisexual.  There IS a difference.

But there are going to be s/s options for everyone this time around, so there isn't much use bawing over it now.

I hate how everone says BI.  No they are gay or they would not hit on you.   And I say raging cause when you turn them down they get pissed.  Honestly the rival excuse is dumb.   I am not bawing either I am stating why I don't like it.  This is another reason I am against s/s in games, because then people who are gay start jumping on ever post against it.  So basically saying that people who are not gay don't have a say cause if they do all the sudden they are gay haters.  Also this should be shut down why, cause its not for s/s romance?

You DO know the meaning of the word "bi" right? As in, likes both dudes and chicks... as in yes they will hit on a dude. 

[Persona]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Persona wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Persona wrote...

Honestly I am against same sex stuff in games. Why? Because as soon as a game adds it. Ever new game or sequel, the gaymers start wanting ever npc to be gay in some way. Honestly if you want a realistic game then not everone is gay. Thats where I see a problem, like in dragon age 2 everone being gay I thought was stupid. The only 2 stright people you couldn't romance. Honestly if you are going to add some s/s then don't make everone a raging ******.

... the love interests were bisexual.  There IS a difference.

But there are going to be s/s options for everyone this time around, so there isn't much use bawing over it now.

I hate how everone says BI.  No they are gay or they would not hit on you.   And I say raging cause when you turn them down they get pissed.  Honestly the rival excuse is dumb.   I am not bawing either I am stating why I don't like it.  This is another reason I am against s/s in games, because then people who are gay start jumping on ever post against it.  So basically saying that people who are not gay don't have a say cause if they do all the sudden they are gay haters.  Also this should be shut down why, cause its not for s/s romance?

You DO know the meaning of the word "bi" right? As in, likes both dudes and chicks... as in yes they will hit on a dude. 

Yes I do but my point which you are missing is you are forced into a rivalry because if you dont they rage.  In a game I don't want to be forced into a rivalry if I am supposed to have FREE decisions as EAware puts it.  Which I am sure they will now do the same thing with ME3,  which in turn makes it so you have to play it a certain way making the game linear.   So if I am going for paragon, not rival if they keep it the same as ME2, I risk losing a companion cause he gets mad I dont like him or her for s/s?   That is not real cause in reality a friend who is bi, and hits on you wouldn't get pissed at you for turning them down.   Also there claim is to make the game as real as possible, but forcing realtionships onto you is not realistic.  

[ScotGaymer]

Once again Persona I feel the need to point out that you are being a rude ****ing ****.

Seriously.

U can get across your point without swearing and insulting people; people like me.

I have done you no harm except want fair representation of myself and others like me in gaming (and other forms of media) just like you and people like you have.

That is apparently a grevious sin to you.

And also you are ranting about the complete wrong thing.

The problem you are actually upset about near as I can tell (and quite rightly) is the ninjamances that ME is bad for; knowing the way romances can creep up on you when you dont want you dont want to be made to feel like a dick or uncomfortable or wrong for having to turn the person down.
That is a perfectly fine thing to be annoyed with and object to.

The problem is not "TEH GEYZ" and SS romance. The problem is Ninjamancing.

Also the example you are using (Anders) is erroneous. It has been stated that that situation you are using as an example can be avoided very easily by not selecting the flirty option prior, or by selecting the middle "rivalry" option to turn him down which appears to be a bug, in that it appears to wrongly have the rival icon assigned to it. It assigns no rivalry points and ends the possibility of a romance.

So therefore your arguement is fail. As well as rude and stupid.

EDIT:
Also to the person who said Anders is always bisexual. That is blatantly not true. Do a FemHawke play through and see what he says.
He appears to be straight in FemHawke playthru's.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 15 juin 2011 - 11:38 .

[ERJAK1]

Persona wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Persona wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Persona wrote...

Honestly I am against same sex stuff in games. Why? Because as soon as a game adds it. Ever new game or sequel, the gaymers start wanting ever npc to be gay in some way. Honestly if you want a realistic game then not everone is gay. Thats where I see a problem, like in dragon age 2 everone being gay I thought was stupid. The only 2 stright people you couldn't romance. Honestly if you are going to add some s/s then don't make everone a raging ******.

... the love interests were bisexual.  There IS a difference.

But there are going to be s/s options for everyone this time around, so there isn't much use bawing over it now.

I hate how everone says BI.  No they are gay or they would not hit on you.   And I say raging cause when you turn them down they get pissed.  Honestly the rival excuse is dumb.   I am not bawing either I am stating why I don't like it.  This is another reason I am against s/s in games, because then people who are gay start jumping on ever post against it.  So basically saying that people who are not gay don't have a say cause if they do all the sudden they are gay haters.  Also this should be shut down why, cause its not for s/s romance?

You DO know the meaning of the word "bi" right? As in, likes both dudes and chicks... as in yes they will hit on a dude. 

Yes I do but my point which you are missing is you are forced into a rivalry because if you dont they rage.  In a game I don't want to be forced into a rivalry if I am supposed to have FREE decisions as EAware puts it.  Which I am sure they will now do the same thing with ME3,  which in turn makes it so you have to play it a certain way making the game linear.   So if I am going for paragon, not rival if they keep it the same as ME2, I risk losing a companion cause he gets mad I dont like him or her for s/s?   That is not real cause in reality a friend who is bi, and hits on you wouldn't get pissed at you for turning them down.   Also there claim is to make the game as real as possible, but forcing realtionships onto you is not realistic.  

There is a very specific and easy to follow guideline to figure out if someone is being what they call an internet douche. 1. Allowing grammatical errors that eliminate the meaning of a sentence to go by unedted, 2. Using vaguely related points to form the basis of an argument whose tone suggests iron clad truth. 3. Using a portmanteau in a derogative or overly serious manner. 4. More than one sentence butchered to incomprehencability by grammatical errors. 5. Creating an argument out of thin air against something you also conjured out of thin air.

I care not for the validity of you opinion, simply the methods you use to argue it.

[ERJAK1]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Once again Persona I feel the need to point out that you are being a rude ****ing ****.

Seriously.

U can get across your point without swearing and insulting people; people like me.

I have done you no harm except want fair representation of myself and others like me in gaming (and other forms of media) just like you and people like you have.

That is apparently a grevious sin to you.

And also you are ranting about the complete wrong thing.

The problem you are actually upset about near as I can tell (and quite rightly) is the ninjamances that ME is bad for; knowing the way romances can creep up on you when you dont want you dont want to be made to feel like a dick or uncomfortable or wrong for having to turn the person down.
That is a perfectly fine thing to be annoyed with and object to.

The problem is not "TEH GEYZ" and SS romance. The problem is Ninjamancing.

Also the example you are using (Anders) is erroneous. It has been stated that that situation you are using as an example can be avoided very easily by not selecting the flirty option prior, or by selecting the middle "rivalry" option to turn him down which appears to be a bug, in that it appears to wrongly have the rival icon assigned to it. It assigns no rivalry points and ends the possibility of a romance.

So therefore your arguement is fail. As well as rude and stupid.

EDIT:
Also to the person who said Anders is always bisexual. That is blatantly not true. Do a FemHawke play through and see what he says.
He appears to be straight in FemHawke playthru's.

To be fair, "ninjamancing" as you describe it i.e. a romancing creeping up on you without you noticing and then feeling like a jerk or just really uncomfortable when you have to turn them down, DOES INDEED happen in real life and it is actually EVEN MORE awkward and uncomfortable than it happening in ME.

[SilentNukee]

OP, this has nothing to do with same-sex romances. Casey mentioned that friendships/LI relationships will expand, therefore we can assume Garrus will not be calibrating all the time, etc.

And for those saying they don't want previous characters to be "bi" because they're already established...Haven't you had a friend who was gay/bi and hiding it from you until he/she is ready to tell you? (And therefore you just assume they're straight) ...People always assume I'm straight, which is not the case. Anyway, none of them go into their sexual preferences, so you can't just dismiss that claim. Yeah, I went there. (Except for Jack, if she actually means it in that context.) This doesn't mean your bro Garrus is going to tell you he swings both ways, no, he won't tell you anything of the sorts at all unless YOU initiate it.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 15 juin 2011 - 11:47 .

[Persona]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Once again Persona I feel the need to point out that you are being a rude ****ing ****.

Seriously.

U can get across your point without swearing and insulting people; people like me.

I have done you no harm except want fair representation of myself and others like me in gaming (and other forms of media) just like you and people like you have.

That is apparently a grevious sin to you.

And also you are ranting about the complete wrong thing.

The problem you are actually upset about near as I can tell (and quite rightly) is the ninjamances that ME is bad for; knowing the way romances can creep up on you when you dont want you dont want to be made to feel like a dick or uncomfortable or wrong for having to turn the person down.
That is a perfectly fine thing to be annoyed with and object to.

The problem is not "TEH GEYZ" and SS romance. The problem is Ninjamancing.

Also the example you are using (Anders) is erroneous. It has been stated that that situation you are using as an example can be avoided very easily by not selecting the flirty option prior, or by selecting the middle "rivalry" option to turn him down which appears to be a bug, in that it appears to wrongly have the rival icon assigned to it. It assigns no rivalry points and ends the possibility of a romance.

So therefore your arguement is fail. As well as rude and stupid.

EDIT:
Also to the person who said Anders is always bisexual. That is blatantly not true. Do a FemHawke play through and see what he says.
He appears to be straight in FemHawke playthru's.

How was I being rude or stupid?  Where did I call any poster a ****ing **** like you called me?   My argument is not rude or stupid just because its something YOU do not agree with does'nt make it stupid.  You just proved my point that if someone is not for s/s which I am not, all the sudden I am the bad person.  Why cause I don't see things your way?   Also you said they where Bi just because he dates femhawke, don't mean he is straight.  Because EAware could bring him back in another story and the same options can appear.  Also my cousin is gay, and we hang out all the time.   So no its not a sin to me, don't try to turn my argument around.  Like I said just cause I am not for it in a GAME it doesn't mean **** about real life.

Modifié par Persona, 15 juin 2011 - 11:50 .

[Bolboreta]

Persona wrote...


Yes I do but my point which you are missing is you are forced into a rivalry because if you dont they rage.  In a game I don't want to be forced into a rivalry if I am supposed to have FREE decisions as EAware puts it.  Which I am sure they will now do the same thing with ME3,  which in turn makes it so you have to play it a certain way making the game linear.   So if I am going for paragon, not rival if they keep it the same as ME2, I risk losing a companion cause he gets mad I dont like him or her for s/s?   That is not real cause in reality a friend who is bi, and hits on you wouldn't get pissed at you for turning them down.   Also there claim is to make the game as real as possible, but forcing realtionships onto you is not realistic.  

There's no need to be rude, really. I'm sure Bioware is going to fix ninjamancing and they admitted there's going to be a friendship path to follow, so you won't probably see any gay character hitting on you. Also, it's a fact (and a good one) that there are going to be same sex romances. Everyone has the right to choose the sexual orientation of their characters

The thing is: we're all arguing when we all agree that ninjamancing in romances is a bad thing. I'm a woman and I didn't like Kaidan flirting with me in the Citadel, or Jacob asuming that being nice was hitting on him. This has to change and I'm sure it's going to change. 

[Persona]

Thanks Bolboreta for not bashing on me and giving me an intelligent response.

[Medhia Nox]

Just checking in... have S/S LI's in ME 3 destroyed the American family yet?

Yeah, yeah... Medhia, you're not contributing, stop trolling. Bah - this isn't the Stonewall riots, chill.

[Eshaye]

 I thought the romance paths had always been pretty darned obvious. I don't think that the problem is that you run into a romance out of the blue, the problem is that it's the ONLY way to get to know these characters better... That's a huge issue. 

In my last run I refused to choose the obvious hit on dialogues options always choosing the middle path instead to avoid the romance flags, and so I ended up with a crap load of squad mates with nothing more to say to me. It's very frustrating especially when you know there's more to them. There should be another tree that's a friendship (the middle path for example) and neutral path that still delivers in character content. I think  it's really that simple. 

And if BioWare has stated this will be adjusted, well really what's the problem? And it has nothing to do specifically to same sex relationships just romances vs frienship in general, as pointed out many times. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 16 juin 2011 - 12:08 .

[ScotGaymer]

Dear god. I told you in two seperate posts just how you were being rude Persona.

If you failed to read what I and others have in actuality said then its your problem not us.

As I said in BOTH posts - I understand what you are getting at; but you are communicating in a very poor manner and coming off a homophobe and an idiot.
And not to just me.

I wasnt really disagreeing exactly. Ninjamancing is a problem in the ME games but to use that as a reason to demand that BW not include m/m SS romance is ridiculous, not to mention unfair considering there is already f/f ss romance.

Perhaps you should begin using proper spelling, and grammar; as well as proofreading your posts prior to making them to be sure you arent coming off like a total douche as the Americans on the boards would say.

[elearon1]

Persona wrote...

Yes I do but my point which you are missing is you are forced into a rivalry because if you dont they rage.  

Dude, you lose like, 5-10 influence if you shoot someone down in DA2 - a number easily made up for in a couple scenes and which by no means forces you into a rivalry with them.  I shot down pretty much every character (aside from Isabel) in the course of my playthroughs, yet made great friends with most of them.  If you tried and failed to do so, then you were doing something else wrong.  

[AdamNW]

TexasToast712 wrote...

He is basically saying he doesnt want another DAII where Anders is suddenly homosexual and you are forced to get negative points because Anders seems interested after 2 conversations. I agree. No rewriting the sexuality of pre established characters. I need that banner. Seen it somewhere.

I didn't get any negative points with anders and I didn't romance him at all.

Except for at the very end when I, uh, well I can't talk about that.

[Eternal Dust]

Eshaye wrote...

 I thought the romance paths had always been pretty darned obvious. I don't think that the problem is that you run into a romance out of the blue, the problem is that it's the ONLY way to get to know these characters better... That's a huge issue.

So much this. This is the underlying issue that needs to be rectified in ME3. I hate it when characters shut you down just because you don't appreciate the priiiiize.

Modifié par octoberfire, 16 juin 2011 - 12:17 .

[Persona]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Dear god. I told you in two seperate posts just how you were being rude Persona.

If you failed to read what I and others have in actuality said then its your problem not us.

As I said in BOTH posts - I understand what you are getting at; but you are communicating in a very poor manner and coming off a homophobe and an idiot.
And not to just me.

I wasnt really disagreeing exactly. Ninjamancing is a problem in the ME games but to use that as a reason to demand that BW not include m/m SS romance is ridiculous, not to mention unfair considering there is already f/f ss romance.

Perhaps you should begin using proper spelling, and grammar; as well as proofreading your posts prior to making them to be sure you arent coming off like a total douche as the Americans on the boards would say.

You should read my character profile then, it is hard for me to spell right and go back and correct everthing, when I have hand tremors 24/7 because of a car accident, also 1 finger typing.  So sorry for my disability and grammer and so on.  I am against it in games, but I am kinda against realtionships in games.  DAO I was for it in the since of a female noble marrying allistar because it changed the story if you lived.   In DA2 to me it didn't seem to add much to the story or ending, just like a simple sentence of they left with hawke.   In me2 not sure on 1 was so far back I played it romance did not seem to matter much either.  DAO it did alot even added to the ending.  I just hope its not forced onto us in me3 and then ha nothing to do with the story like in da2.  Like I said sorry for not being maybe more clear but typing for me is a chore hench why my games on ps3 cause a joystick is easier.  Yes I have one for the computer to but its easier to use a keyboard still to type.  Then it is to buy a specialty keyboard for my hands.  Also didn't someone mention, not sure where I heard this that me3 where would have children?

Modifié par Persona, 16 juin 2011 - 12:23 .

[elearon1]

Removed, because - again - this isn't an argument for this forum.

Modifié par elearon1, 16 juin 2011 - 01:09 .

[Persona]

elearon1 wrote...

Having tremors isn't going to ruin your grammar, even if it does make spelling difficult; you're using the one to excuse the other. As a person with a crippling disability I find that rather tasteless ... and I've never known a teacher in my college career to accept the argument, "I can't walk so my paper was poorly written!". (not that I'd ever attempt such an excuse, it is demeaning)

Ever disability is diffrent as well, so research how serious hand tremors can be, as well as maybe watch some videos.  Just because you have one doesnt make mine the same.  Do you have to have special utensils to eat as well?   Do you not feel all your fingers either, you remind of people who think oh he is in a wheelchair so he just can't walk. 

[elearon1]

You know what, this is no place for this argument, so I'm removing it ... and the statement I originally typed here as well.  Obviously having a disability it something I take personally and have strong opinions about ... but that doesn't make this forum a ... well, forum ... for that discussion.  

Modifié par elearon1, 16 juin 2011 - 01:09 .

[Persona]

elearon1 wrote...

Dude, spelling and grammar are not the same thing, shaking hands or no. But that wasn't my point ... my point was, falling back on, "I have a disability so my arguments can be flawed" makes every person with a disability look worse.

But I'm not going to get into an argument about self respect here, your arguments fell apart on their own merit, whatever excuse you want to make.

Ok you made my point perfect.  I never said it was flawed I said my spelling and not maybe making a paragraph.  Or a period or comma maybe off.  Like i said ever disability is diffrent.  Should my friend who can't use his hands, and have to use a stick type thing in his mouth go back, and make everthing perfect to appease you?  No he should not, I still stick to the point that I don't like s/s in a game when its forced on you.  But after reading someones post on ninjamencing, it made more sense to me.