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[Nashiktal]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I hated the whole message images that took me out of the gameplay of that series faster then a darkspawn in a tutu would. Don't implement that BW just do the romance bracket in the upper left portion of the screen that will allow people who click it to open up a new wheel like investigate does and they can do all romance, flirt, and love options there.

The DA2 system wasn't that much different from the ME system mate. The only difference was they cut out the nuetral option, and instead replaced it with sarcastic. All "modes" were viable with DA2, while if you chose nuetral in ME you were punished for it.

DA2 system needs lots of improvement for sure, but its not that much different from ME, and even then it has improvements over it. Remove the icons, and color the dialogue instead if you wish. Same difference.

[mjb203]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I hated the whole message images that took me out of the gameplay of that series faster then a darkspawn in a tutu would. Don't implement that BW just do the romance bracket in the upper left portion of the screen that will allow people who click it to open up a new wheel like investigate does and they can do all romance, flirt, and love options there.

I actually really like this idea.  It would help separate it from other dialog and would hopefully allow us to get to know our squad without worrying about ending up in the sack with them. 

[Ryzaki]

I rather have the [Flirt] dialogue investigate like option and some of the choices in there can end the romance if you're stupid.

[78stonewobble]

I would still like the option to be able to access most if not all of a characters story by being just friendly. Eg. you ask questions or as a friend or in a "flirty" way.

That way I would still be able to access as much content as possible but wouldn't have to play through the game and romance a character I didn't care for.... Tho I don't know if that really is a problem story/content wise.

[AngelicMachinery]

78stonewobble wrote...


That way I would still be able to access as much content as possible but wouldn't have to play through the game and romance a character I didn't care for.... Tho I don't know if that really is a problem story/content wise.

This has nothing to do with bisexuality/homosexuality though... this is more a problem with character interaction.

[78stonewobble]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...


That way I would still be able to access as much content as possible but wouldn't have to play through the game and romance a character I didn't care for.... Tho I don't know if that really is a problem story/content wise.

This has nothing to do with bisexuality/homosexuality though... this is more a problem with character interaction.

Yeah... Just something that would annoy me though...

EDIT: *sigh* don't they (bioware) have a "What should we change in ME3" sticky somewhere? 

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 17 juin 2011 - 10:56 .

[mjb203]

78stonewobble wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...


That way I would still be able to access as much content as possible but wouldn't have to play through the game and romance a character I didn't care for.... Tho I don't know if that really is a problem story/content wise.

This has nothing to do with bisexuality/homosexuality though... this is more a problem with character interaction.

Yeah... Just something that would annoy me though...

Well, if something like the [Flirt] or [Romance] subsection put in a way like the Investigate option would make it known that you would have to go into that section to start up a romance pathway with the character.  That way, everyone could get to know the characters without having to worry about starting a romance with them.

[Bolboreta]

Rojahar wrote...

I get the feeling from a lot of these arguments that it's more just posters personally hating or having an intense aversion to M/M in real life, to the point of not wanting it to exist either in game or otherwise... even if it's something they have a choice to never be exposed to.

Then you're wrong. Totally wrong. Quoting myself:

Bolboreta wrote...

@Troodon, I don't think anyone could call you homophobic if you don't want current characters to change, unless s/he is a troll. It's not the same than be against s/s relationships. There are two sides in this argument (well, maybe more, but I'm not counting the "against s/s people"):

- People who wants certain returning characters to be a romance for everyone.
- People who prefer s/s romances to be new ones.

No one is going to change their minds, that's for sure. Bioware has the last word, we can only express our opinions here  and, unless those are deliberately hostile or offensive, be accepted for that. As I said other times, I choose the second option because in MY games, I have an established sexuality for almost every LI. Would I rage if Bioware made everyone/certain returning characters bisexual? Not at all, I wouldn't be angry, but that wouldn't be my preference. I'm going to have my game, with my LIs and my choices anyway

For the record, there are tons of polls about this:
http://social.biowar...20/polls/20248/
http://social.biowar...04/polls/20131/
http://social.biowar...95/polls/20093/
http://social.biowar...85/polls/20089/

There is a lot of us that want s/s romances. I would love to play a maleShep who could romance Joker, but I prefer not to change the current LIs. You can read the whole thread and see that. Yes, there are people who don't want m/m romances (well, they will have to deal with it), but it's not the same. 

So, no hating. We are just two faces of the same coin: we agree on s/s romances, we agree to stop ninjamancing, but we want it in different ways (I always leave aside the real homophobics, hate shouldn't have room in this forum).

[Nightdragon8]

@Rojahar

Maybe, but I just don't think we want another DA2 system. where everyone's key personality is in flex depending on what shep does. If they really want to do it right they would make shep work to "turn them into" that side of the fence, but make it something you have to work for not just 1-2 diologe option to change them.

Edit" to other post: Honestly those kinds of people are eitehr trolls or just morons and if i had my way would have them banned on the spot for being morons.

But as it is the whole sexuality thing is still a huge topic and "issue" so maybe while I can be happy in knowing the BW is fully fine with the idea that s/s romances are fine, maybe we as society at least in the US have not opened up enough as a people to that sort of relationship in a "Promenant game" such as Mass effect and DA. That it may not be the right time to include it in a game full time like they did with DA2

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 18 juin 2011 - 02:57 .

[mjb203]

Bolboreta wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

I get the feeling from a lot of these arguments that it's more just posters personally hating or having an intense aversion to M/M in real life, to the point of not wanting it to exist either in game or otherwise... even if it's something they have a choice to never be exposed to.

Then you're wrong. Totally wrong. Quoting myself:

Bolboreta wrote...

@Troodon, I don't think anyone could call you homophobic if you don't want current characters to change, unless s/he is a troll. It's not the same than be against s/s relationships. There are two sides in this argument (well, maybe more, but I'm not counting the "against s/s people"):

- People who wants certain returning characters to be a romance for everyone.
- People who prefer s/s romances to be new ones.

No one is going to change their minds, that's for sure. Bioware has the last word, we can only express our opinions here  and, unless those are deliberately hostile or offensive, be accepted for that. As I said other times, I choose the second option because in MY games, I have an established sexuality for almost every LI. Would I rage if Bioware made everyone/certain returning characters bisexual? Not at all, I wouldn't be angry, but that wouldn't be my preference. I'm going to have my game, with my LIs and my choices anyway

For the record, there are tons of polls about this:
http://social.biowar...20/polls/20248/
http://social.biowar...04/polls/20131/
http://social.biowar...95/polls/20093/
http://social.biowar...85/polls/20089/

There is a lot of us that want s/s romances. I would love to play a maleShep who could romance Joker, but I prefer not to change the current LIs. You can read the whole thread and see that. Yes, there are people who don't want m/m romances (well, they will have to deal with it), but it's not the same. 

So, no hating. We are just two faces of the same coin: we agree on s/s romances, we agree to stop ninjamancing, but we want it in different ways (I always leave aside the real homophobics, hate shouldn't have room in this forum).

Bolboreta, you are right on with this.  Personally, while my Sheps won't be participating in any of the s/s romances, it's good that it's getting included for those who want to play their Sheps that way.  As I've said before in this thread, my issues are with avoiding the ninjamances (femShep and Jacob and Sheploo and Jack, I'm looking at you!) as my Sheps are a one woman Shep (or a one man Shep).  I want to avoid getting in multiple romances in my playthroughs.  Another thing, is for lack of a better term, character consistency.  While some folks might see the VS as a possible s/s option due to cut dialog, others don't feel it fits their character.  Rightly or wrongly, people see these characters certain ways and it can seem like bad fan-service if not done well (DA2 Anders). 

I'm a big fan of the romances being player initiated only.  Let Shep make the first move, and make the romance choice obvious.  After that, let the character respond in all succeeding dialog accordingly.  No one has to deal with what they may feel is a character retcon, and can avoid things they don't want thrown in their face (like the Gianna kiss or the Shiala flirt).

I think the main thing that gets people thinking that a bunch of haters post in this subject is the title.  Personally, I would hope the OP would change it to reflect that this is a good place to discuss how to improve romance interactions. 

[weikle21]

I personally have no problem having returning characters act as s/s LI because almost none have previously made their orientation clear. And should they become LI's, individuals who do not like it won't have to see it because it comes down the their individual shepard and how s/he navigates the conversation. I agree about the title, needs a litte re-do.

[ElitePinecone]

みんなが日本語で書く。。。 o_O

I'm not that big a fan of DA2-style 'icons' for the dialogue wheel, it tended to dissolve into metagaming where Hawke would be deliberately 'sarcastic' or 'diplomatic' rather than choosing the appropriate dialogue.

Though I do think having a clearly defined romance or [Flirt] option (perhaps coloured dialogue) is a very good idea. Anything to stop ninjamances.

[weikle21]

ElitePinecone wrote...

みんなが日本語で書く。。。 o_O

I'm not that big a fan of DA2-style 'icons' for the dialogue wheel, it tended to dissolve into metagaming where Hawke would be deliberately 'sarcastic' or 'diplomatic' rather than choosing the appropriate dialogue.

Though I do think having a clearly defined romance or [Flirt] option (perhaps coloured dialogue) is a very good idea. Anything to stop ninjamances.

lol I have played both mass effect and dragon age multiple times and have never had a ninjamance xD. How does this happen?? I like the idea of colored letters and i agree about the icons, for some reason i felt like i had less options in dialogue.

[ElitePinecone]

weikle21 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

みんなが日本語で書く。。。 o_O

I'm not that big a fan of DA2-style 'icons' for the dialogue wheel, it tended to dissolve into metagaming where Hawke would be deliberately 'sarcastic' or 'diplomatic' rather than choosing the appropriate dialogue.

Though I do think having a clearly defined romance or [Flirt] option (perhaps coloured dialogue) is a very good idea. Anything to stop ninjamances.

lol I have played both mass effect and dragon age multiple times and have never had a ninjamance xD. How does this happen?? I like the idea of colored letters and i agree about the icons, for some reason i felt like i had less options in dialogue.

It's because of the ambiguous dialogue and the way the conversations are structured. With some of the characters unless you very specifically say "eww I don't like you get away from me", the game interprets that as interest or attraction.

I remember it was blatant in Leliana's romance from DAO. 

Maybe people just aren't good at interpreting the dialogue - I've only had it happen with Ashley in ME (I had to decline her at the last possible moment) but apparently it's rather widespread.

And yes, I'd vastly prefer coloured dialogue instead of icons in the wheel. It seemed inherently limiting and kinda distracted me from the actual content of the dialogue. 

[Squidbreath]

jbblue05 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
and here I think is the biggest problem with old LI's becoming BI. While fan A only wants Kaidan and say Joker to be BI, fan B just wants thane and  Tali to be BI and so on and so on. No one is "more right" than the other because none of these characters have shown any tendencies IMO so you might as well pick two names out of a hat because we aren't basing this on thier past behaviour. So if we only want a realistic few that turns Bi oir reveals they are BI (like most people have said) who gets chosen? How is it chosen? What makes one character a better candidate than the other?

It could be easily said that Kaidan showed 'tendencies' on Horizon, with that "Losing you was like losing a limb...! Why didn't you call me?!?!?" dumped-lover-like whining on Horizon.

I think a lot of people wouldn't be suprised if Kaidan was gay just based off ME1

On the other hand, if people got lazy, It'd be easy to cut him out due to his lack of accessibility to most players, who killed him on Virmire. 

[78stonewobble]

There's also the point about that what you choose on the wheel is not what shephard says.

[Kolos2]

thy are doin an DA2 Anders

hopefully Ash romance starts as soon your on the ship, even if im not keen of the -"free lovin" on normandy since it is a military ship

Modifié par Kolos2, 18 juin 2011 - 11:47 .

[Nashiktal]

Kolos2 wrote...

thy are doin an DA2 Anders

hopefully Ash romance starts as soon your on the ship, even if im not keen of the -"free lovin" on normandy since it is a military ship

If you think the Anders thing was caused by Bioware making him BI then you did not pay attention to the story or any of the background lore behind him.

I really wish Anders would stop being the rallying cry for those against BI LI's. Its really not the defensible gold mine they think he is, and this is coming from someone who didn't like how Anders reacted to rejection.

[AngelicMachinery]

Kolos2 wrote...

thy are doin an DA2 Anders

Wut?

[mjb203]

Nashiktal wrote...

Kolos2 wrote...

thy are doin an DA2 Anders

hopefully Ash romance starts as soon your on the ship, even if im not keen of the -"free lovin" on normandy since it is a military ship

If you think the Anders thing was caused by Bioware making him BI then you did not pay attention to the story or any of the background lore behind him.

I really wish Anders would stop being the rallying cry for those against BI LI's. Its really not the defensible gold mine they think he is, and this is coming from someone who didn't like how Anders reacted to rejection.

It's not about Anders being a bi LI, it's about not wanting the romances thrown in your face, at least for the people who have been trying to keep this discussion civil.  Not much people can do with haters other than ignore them.  There has been just as much disappointment over the Gianna kiss and the Shiala flirt in ME2.  There's also the fact that some people thought it seemed really OOC for Anders from the way he was presented in DA:A. 

Some folks want to avoid romances all together, some don't want their Sheps flirting around.  And yeah, there are those who just don't want bi LIs, but like Bioware has stated, they'll have to deal with the option being there. 

[Nightdragon8]

Honestly I do agree of wanting to find out about someone more than having have to become a LI for them. I understand its a chance it could happen anyway, at least a one sided relationship, But to have diologe locked out because of not being a love intrest is fustrating.

Tho on the ohter hand maybe the chacter doesn't want to share anything else. But I think we all agree that they need some other diologe insted of (sorry I'm busy) I mean considering there was a bar on the Normandy (with Kasumi DLC) why could they go to the bar for drinks and stell stuiped stories.

Aculty if anything I would like to hear about Sheps past alittle more, even stuiped stories of (back story dependiate) IE time in the gang, or in space or on the colony

[Agamo45]

I just hope they don't make existing characters like Garrus gay, that would ruin his character for me. He and Shep are like best buds, if he came onto me that would just destroy it. I get the feeling they're going to do that with Kaiden though. It wouldn't be too surprising, his dialogue on Horizon was pretty...questionable, and he was always a wuss.

[ForumPortal]

Kinda hope they go with DAO route, with the ratio of two hetero and two bisexuals