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[78stonewobble]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I don't get the "straight characters turning bi" thing that people don't seem to like. Isn't it more like finding out a character is (and always was) bisexual when you just assumed the character was straight. IRL people assume I'm straight all the time, I don't care but I would certainly think it strange if they complained when they found out they were wrong "hey you were straight before and now your not, that's such bad writing!"

It's just easier onmy sense of continuity that they stay whatever they were into from the start.

Sure people change (everyone else apparently than me since childhood) but if I'm interested in someone, but in doubt, I just ask about that thing (could be within 5 mins of meeting someone). Thats for a love interest. If it a friend im like whatever. It's none of my business.

[ElitePinecone]

AerisBru wrote...

About the topic...I'm not a fan of the idea of rewriting sexuality, too. If there was a hint of homossexuality, it's ok (and I know that it's difficult to estabilish WHAT is a hint of homossexuality, too). But deciding that some character is ****** just because A FRACTION of the fanbase decided that it would be good...I can't agree with this. It's just my opinion, so please don't burn me at the stake just because you disagree with me (sometimes it's difficult to express a point of view around here without all the bashing). But a character that is a s/s option since the beginning...why not? It wouldn't be my option, but if it would make people happy without hurting previous character development, I'm all for it.

This isn't a burning-at-the-stake post.

But "a fraction of the fanbase" won't decide anything.

Bioware will. Then they'll write it. Then we'll play it. 

Pretending that these forums will influence the outcome of whoever is available as an LI for ME3 is disingenuous. Bioware know that people don't generally want certain characters to be "OMG TEH GEY". They aren't stupid. 

Imagining that a thousand or so users on an internet forum have the power to influence the production of a multi-million dollar game in any meaningful way is, to be frank, silly. 

If - and I stress if - Bioware decides to make previously-seen characters available for s/s romance, it'll be because they've judged it to be a good idea. It will hopefully mean they can write good dialogue for them. It certainly won't be because we asked them to. 

In all likelihood, in my opinion, it'll be with new characters, and so 99% of forum posts on this topic are irrelevant. 

[Aargh12]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I don't get the "straight characters turning bi" thing that people don't seem to like. Isn't it more like finding out a character is (and always was) bisexual when you just assumed the character was straight. IRL people assume I'm straight all the time, I don't care but I would certainly think it strange if they complained when they found out they were wrong "hey you were straight before and now your not, that's such bad writing!"

The problem is that every romance interest becomes BI - magic? I can understand one or two cahracters, but not every single one.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Aargh12 wrote...

The problem is that every romance interest becomes BI - magic? I can understand one or two cahracters, but not every single one.

When I found out all the LIs in DA2 were bi I did have a bit of a wtf moment. But I didn't find out about that until I had finished the game and read about it on the internet. I ended up finding out that Merrill and Isabela were s/s LIs but I could have easily missed Merrill. You could playthrough as ManHawke without knowing Anders or Fenris were s/s LIs, Isabela is pretty vocal about her sexuality but anyone else can be missed.

[Ammonite]

makalathbonagin wrote...

*snip hip-thrusting gif*
this should sum what i think about ss romances, **** them all

Aye, I'm gonna **** them all too!

Unless it's Udina or something, in which case I'll pass.

Modifié par Ammonite, 15 juin 2011 - 01:04 .

[PlumPaul93]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

The problem is that every romance interest becomes BI - magic? I can understand one or two cahracters, but not every single one.

When I found out all the LIs in DA2 were bi I did have a bit of a wtf moment. But I didn't find out about that until I had finished the game and read about it on the internet. I ended up finding out that Merrill and Isabela were s/s LIs but I could have easily missed Merrill. You could playthrough as ManHawke without knowing Anders or Fenris were s/s LIs, Isabela is pretty vocal about her sexuality but anyone else can be missed.

In DA2 it was bad with anders but other than that I could say it made some sense that the other LI's were bi. I wouldn't mind if 1-2 characters "found out" that they like the same sex because it is somewhat possible depending on who it is. But I would mind if multiple characters had the revelation only if it isn't handled properly. By that I mean them not hitting on me unless I hit on them and them basically staying the way they were the past 2 games unless you pursue them. If people want certain characters to be romanceable with S/S shepard, I'd like it for characters to stay the way they were if you want them to. I'd hope that's the way they do it after the DA2 backlash but who knows.

[Syledir]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

The problem is that every romance interest becomes BI - magic? I can understand one or two cahracters, but not every single one.

When I found out all the LIs in DA2 were bi I did have a bit of a wtf moment. But I didn't find out about that until I had finished the game and read about it on the internet. I ended up finding out that Merrill and Isabela were s/s LIs but I could have easily missed Merrill. You could playthrough as ManHawke without knowing Anders or Fenris were s/s LIs, Isabela is pretty vocal about her sexuality but anyone else can be missed.

Well, the heart icon could be an indicator, but you can easily avoid any romance. Well done, BioWare. Also, realising that I have the freedom to create any Hawke I want and still able to choose which LI I want to romance made me .

[Rinji the Bearded]

I didn't mind the DA2 LIs all being bi at all. Now, I would say that we've already been told that the ME LIs won't all suddenly turn bi as we have already been told that is "not necessarily true" by the devs on twitter. New LI options will be s/s, and there only seems to be a small chance that any of the previous LIs will suddenly become bisexual.

The only reason why I would prefer at least one previous LI going Shepsexual on me would be because I would like a romance that wasn't just thrown in at the last minute to settle down a fraction of us players -- I'm really frightened that the new LIs will be boring and/or underdeveloped.  I guess I could be proven wrong, but call me old fashioned.  I like the idea of knowing someone for a good amount of time before diving into a relationship with them.

I really don't get why people are getting their panties in a twist over this.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 15 juin 2011 - 01:15 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I don't mind the DA2 LIs being bi because they were from the start.

Well a lot of people have argued that Anders was suddenly made bi.  I've always argued that while he appeared straight in Awakening, there was never evidence to the contrary.

[Dayshadow]

Shepard Lives wrote...

I wonder how ****ing long before people realize Rivalry points aren't "negative points". They're quite the opposite, in fact.

If you are referring to DA2 then they (friendship or rivalry) are "negative" points, especially if you react to situations like a real person and don't simply go out of your way to get all rivalry or friendship points. Fenris was a good example of a character who you could agree with on some subject but disagree on others. Friendship/rivalry kept cancelling each other out which limited his development for me. It would have been much better if they used a ME2 system and which ever bar was highest set the tone.

[Wrathra]

People usually don't walk around broadcasting their sexuality to everyone they meet, so discovering an older character is bi or gay isn't really that much of a stretch of the imagination, if you didn't romance them previously.

If my femshep was in the romance with Kaidan, and found him in bed with Jacob one day, yeah, that wouldn't work, since that's a complete 360 from what was already established as Kaidan in that particular playthrough.

In a different playthrough, if Kaidan came out to my manshep, that would be fine. Straight Kaidan wouldn't have existed in that universe.

Modifié par Wrathra, 15 juin 2011 - 01:22 .

[Ammonite]

So from what I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong), there are audio files and statements indicating that certain ME1 and ME2 characters were s/s romancable, until it was vetoed/cut. Assuming this is true: How would you fellow forumites feel about bi characters who were censored/bastardized into straightness being set to be bi in ME3?

[PlumPaul93]

Ammonite wrote...

So from what I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong), there are audio files and statements indicating that certain ME1 and ME2 characters were s/s romancable, until it was vetoed/cut. Assuming this is true: How would you fellow forumites feel about bi characters who were censored/bastardized into straightness being set to be bi in ME3?

And from what I heard male shepard had audio files where he talked like he was a women. Does that mean male shepard was supposed to act like a women? Weak argument.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Ammonite wrote...

So from what I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong), there are audio files and statements indicating that certain ME1 and ME2 characters were s/s romancable, until it was vetoed/cut. Assuming this is true: How would you fellow forumites feel about bi characters who were censored/bastardized into straightness being set to be bi in ME3?

I don't know if that was an intentional thing or not.  Rather, it seemed as if Meer and Hale read the same script, and then those options were taken out of the final cut.  Why they kept those lines in the coding, I have no idea.  Maybe someone has better insight on that one than I do.

Kaidan and Ashley, however, did not record lines that were specific to same gendered Shepards.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Just because there was a heart icon didn't mean Hawke would be successful though, just meant Hawke could flirt. I don't really think of the LIs in DA2 as all being bisexual, it changes depending on Hawke. A lot of characters in Bioware games change depending on the PC, Kaidan can get more renegade, Leliana can be hardened, etc. So a character's sexuality being different in different playthroughs isn't a big deal for me.

[Rinji the Bearded]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
There was no evidence that he was bi either. I didn't agree with the whole Anders thing myself.

I can see your point, and there really is no argument against it based on game content.  The only thing we have is Gaider/Helper's word that he had always been bisexual, and we never knew it based on the evidence we were given in game.

In the end, it's up to the writers.  We can only wait and see.  

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 15 juin 2011 - 01:32 .

[Neria Rose]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I don't get the "straight characters turning bi" thing that people don't seem to like. Isn't it more like finding out a character is (and always was) bisexual when you just assumed the character was straight. IRL people assume I'm straight all the time, I don't care but I would certainly think it strange if they complained when they found out they were wrong "hey you were straight before and now your not, that's such bad writing!"

I don't get it either. When I was a little younger, I would assume someone was gay/bi/straight based on their personality and then later on so-and-so would prove me completely wrong. I've learned to just not assume anything until someone has specifically stated they're into this kind of person or that kind of person.

It's like, hypothetically, what if your spouse left you for someone of their same gender? Perhaps you'd seen them as straight the entire time you were together when in reality they were simply hiding the fact that they're bi/gay. It makes no sense to me to point at a character and go "he is straight" or "she is bi" when you didn't write the character and you don't know enough about the character to make those kinds of claims.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 15 juin 2011 - 01:37 .

[ScotGaymer]

Yeh I dont get why this problem that the OP is airing is a SameSex relationship specific problem.

It isnt.

Its a problem in general with ME NPC character development and dialogue in general no matter the sexuality. ME1 wasnt too bad; ME2 was awful for it tho.
Miranda, Jack, and Tali ALL wanted (and thought they were in) a relationship with my Paragon MaleShep; in the same playthru. Really really bad Ninjamancing.

Considering I dont really like ANY of them as LI's and pretty much want to avoid them all like the plague, and you turn them down you have to be a bit of a dick to them and they never speak to you again. Its very annoying.

As the OP doesnt seem to have a problem with this happening with the Slapper Trio of ME2 and MaleShep; and yet has a problem with it when it would be say Kaidan, Jacob, or James Vega then I can only conclude that his latent homophobia is showing.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 15 juin 2011 - 01:34 .

[Dayshadow]

RinjiRenee wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I don't mind the DA2 LIs being bi because they were from the start.

Well a lot of people have argued that Anders was suddenly made bi.  I've always argued that while he appeared straight in Awakening, there was never evidence to the contrary.

No one ever walks into a room, introduces themselves to everyone and then proceeds to clarify their sexual orientation. To say "Well, he never said he wasn't bi" does not open the flood gates. He only ever talked about women and only showed interest in women. He never claimed to have a penis either. So it would be understandable if Anders turned out to be a woman? Maybe to you, but it's bad writting and irregard for continuity to everyone else.

[Wrathra]

RinjiRenee wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
There was no evidence that he was bi either. I didn't agree with the whole Anders thing myself.

I can see your point, and there really is no argument against it based on game content.  The only thing we have is Gaider/Helper's word that he had always been bisexual, and we never knew it based on the evidence we were given in game.

In the end, it's up to the writers.  We can only wait and see.  

There was a conversation or two with Nathaniel that could be intrepreted as flirty. Anders seemed pretty promescious, yes, but his character could certainly be read either way, in my opinion, anyway.