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[Rinji the Bearded]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Relating back to the OP's actual post....

A turning off button would be the wrong way to go about it because it's a complete seperation of hetero/homosexuality and could definitely be taken the wrong way...or even offensive to some.

I think there should be brackets around each romance-driven option. That way you can avoid choosing that, shut the hell up, and play the game so everyone's happy and should not be complaining whatsoever ......

I would have preferred something like that just so I could avoid telling Miranda it was nice to see her smile without it seeming like I was coming onto her.  I was just trying to say that it was nice to see her happy when she was always so serious all the time! 

[Ammonite]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Ammonite wrote...

So from what I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong), there are audio files and statements indicating that certain ME1 and ME2 characters were s/s romancable, until it was vetoed/cut. Assuming this is true: How would you fellow forumites feel about bi characters who were censored/bastardized into straightness being set to be bi in ME3?

And from what I heard male shepard had audio files where he talked like he was a women. Does that mean male shepard was supposed to act like a women? Weak argument.

It's not an argument lol. It's a question, asking how you'd feel about such a scenario

[PlumPaul93]

Montezuma IV wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Obviously, the word homophobia is thrown around too much.

Obviously it is in fact shown too much.

stop trying to start an argument. It's thrown around way to much and it's shown to much.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Dayshadow wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I don't mind the DA2 LIs being bi because they were from the start.

Well a lot of people have argued that Anders was suddenly made bi.  I've always argued that while he appeared straight in Awakening, there was never evidence to the contrary.

No one ever walks into a room, introduces themselves to everyone and then proceeds to clarify their sexual orientation. To say "Well, he never said he wasn't bi" does not open the flood gates. He only ever talked about women and only showed interest in women. He never claimed to have a penis either. So it would be understandable if Anders turned out to be a woman? Maybe to you, but it's bad writting and irregard for continuity to everyone else.

But he is interested in women.  He just is interested in men, as well.  Sexuality can't be defined when you take your clothes off, either.  

( As someone who took Anders clothes off with the nude mod on, I could definitely confirm that he is a male.  trololol. )

[TexasToast712]

nvm that was a quick change.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 15 juin 2011 - 01:44 .

[ScotGaymer]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Obviously, the word homophobia is thrown around too much.

You obviously arent gay or bi becuase if you were you wouldnt say that.

It is entirely possible to be homophobic out of ignorance or unintentionally/unconsiously. For example the straight man taking an unconcious step backwards when being introduced to a gay couple. The guy may not have even noticed he did it, might claim he isnt "homophobic". But the very fact that he initially flinched away from them because they are gay means he IS homophobic even if he doesnt conciously intend to be.
I don't know if you watch Glee; probably not; but another example of latent homophobia would be in that show when Finn is trying to convince Kurt not to do a duet with Sam because everyone would think Sam is gay and give him a hard time.

The problem isnt specific to SS romance (which is what the original poster seems to be saying - that it is specific to SS romance, or its only a problem in regards to SS romance). If you have a problem with it then you should have the problem regardless of the NPC or sex of your Shepard; not JUST with MaleShep and a male NPC. Having a problem with it ONLY in the sense of the fact that Kaidan hitting on your ManShep makes you squick with discomfort IS homophobic.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 15 juin 2011 - 01:48 .

[alexa_025]

AerisBru wrote...

I want to be nice to other guys without make them to think I'm trying to hit them.

But usually this is a problem in the REAL world too LOL

About the topic...I'm not a fan of the idea of rewriting sexuality, too. If there was a hint of homossexuality, it's ok (and I know that it's difficult to estabilish WHAT is a hint of homossexuality, too). But deciding that some character is ****** just because A FRACTION of the fanbase decided that it would be good...I can't agree with this. It's just my opinion, so please don't burn me at the stake just because you disagree with me (sometimes it's difficult to express a point of view around here without all the bashing). But a character that is a s/s option since the beginning...why not? It wouldn't be my option, but if it would make people happy without hurting previous character development, I'm all for it.

I agree with this. I'd really rather they just introduced a new s/s LI, honestly. It's just that these characters' personalities have pretty much been set since the first game and it'd just be a bit jarring if they suddenly became bisexual for the last game given there was never any hint of it in the first two, it just derails continuity.

Modifié par alexa_025, 15 juin 2011 - 01:50 .

[rolson00]

Gheth O wrote...

They didn't say that no one will turn bi ? Same sex relationship concern just the new squadmate no ?

bringing in new lis just for s/s to me would make the game messy makes more sense ti use som1 that has known shepard 2+ years jacob says shep dying changed every1 in some way eg laira became hardened ( which i dont like)

[ScotGaymer]

@Alexa - I wouldnt see it as sudden in regards of Thane, Jack, and Kaidan.

Both Thane and Kaidan (it seemed to me) flirted a little bit with MaleShep, Kaidan more than Thane admittedly. So it wouldnt be a shock to me if Kaidan confessed his feelings to MaleShep (who is a kind of scary badass soldier man as well as his CO - which would make the man very intimidating/difficult to approach) in ME3.

Jack openly admits to having slept with women and men in the past; and just doesnt seem to be interested in FemShep. So no shock if she was "bisexual" in ME3 there either.

Other characters i'd agree. Ashley, Miranda, Jacob. Their sexualities all seem pretty set.

With the Alien LIs I found it strange that they WERENT attracted to FemShep (Tali) and MaleShep (Garrus) respectively given that they are an alien species and neither have a human fetish; both versions of Shepard have the qualities that attracted them to opposite sex Shepard.

Tali's Hero Worship Crush could just as easily apply to FemShep as it does to MaleShep.

Garrus' Shy Attraction to BadAss Warrior Shepard applies just as much to MaleShep as it does to FemShep.

At least as far as I see things.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 15 juin 2011 - 01:55 .

[ScotGaymer]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...


1) Then it's not really homophobia.

2) I have a problem with any of the current LIs becoming bi.

Yes it is.

It's just as damaging, hurtful, and wrong as outright hatred; in fact depending on who it comes from it can be more so than it being blatant hatred and fear.

Its like subscribing to and believing in negative racial stereotypes wholeheartedly (Like all muslims being suicide bombers); and avoiding or disliking said races because of those stereotypes.
You might claim you arent racist, and that it isnt racism because you dont "hate" black people, or asians, or whatever; but it still is. It's just a more insidious form of it.

EDIT:
I am getting the distinct feeling that you aren't actually reading the entirety of my posts; and only certain parts of them; looking for buzzwords to respond negatively to.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 15 juin 2011 - 02:03 .

[Jademoon121]

My money's on Vega or Kaiden on being the same-sex LIs, having Garrus being able to Romance wsa done in ME2, and it was kind of a stretch of characterization(and biology).

But this is the land of make believe, so If Garrus is the LI, I don't think it'll be like Zevran or Anders(thank god). Shep had to initiate the romance in ME2, and they did say they'll improve relationship dynamics, so I don't think there's much to worry about.

[BP20125810]

What's a diaster?

[Jademoon121]

KEELAH! Can we not have a flamewar in at least one thread about this!?

[PlumPaul93]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...


1) Then it's not really homophobia.

2) I have a problem with any of the current LIs becoming bi.

Yes it is.

It's just as damaging, hurtful, and wrong as outright hatred; in fact depending on who it comes from it can be more so than it being blatant hatred and fear.

Its like subscribing to and believing in negative racial stereotypes wholeheartedly (Like all muslims being suicide bombers); and avoiding or disliking said races because of those stereotypes.
You might claim you arent racist, and that it isnt racism because you dont "hate" black people, or asians, or whatever; but it still is. It's just a more insidious form of it.

Well luckily it hasn't happened in this thread yet. So let's leave it at that and ya know talk about something relevent to the topic.

[Rinji the Bearded]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

With the Alien LIs I found it strange that they WERENT attracted to FemShep (Tali) and MaleShep (Garrus) respectively given that they are an alien species and neither have a human fetish; both versions of Shepard have the qualities that attracted them to opposite sex Shepard.

Haha, that was the weirdest thing that struck me about ME in general -- the alien romances.  The Asari are a different matter, as they are genetically coded to be pansexual and are appealing to all species it seems like (even as much as that bothers me).  However, with the other races... if they were willing to look over their own species preferences because Shepard is an amazing person, why couldn't they also ignore his/her gender?  It's not as if being attracted to a non-Asari female of another species will benefit them in any way -- they can't reproduce.

It was always odd to me that Shepard could have a romance with someone of another species but not someone of his/her own gender.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 15 juin 2011 - 02:04 .

[rolson00]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Obviously, the word homophobia is thrown around too much.

You obviously arent gay or bi becuase if you were you wouldnt say that.

It is entirely possible to be homophobic out of ignorance or unintentionally/unconsiously. For example the straight man taking an unconcious step backwards when being introduced to a gay couple. The guy may not have even noticed he did it, might claim he isnt "homophobic". But the very fact that he initially flinched away from them because they are gay means he IS homophobic even if he doesnt conciously intend to be.
I don't know if you watch Glee; probably not; but another example of latent homophobia would be in that show when Finn is trying to convince Kurt not to do a duet with Sam because everyone would think Sam is gay and give him a hard time.

The problem isnt specific to SS romance (which is what the original poster seems to be saying - that it is specific to SS romance, or its only a problem in regards to SS romance). If you have a problem with it then you should have the problem regardless of the NPC or sex of your Shepard; not JUST with MaleShep and a male NPC. Having a problem with it ONLY in the sense of the fact that Kaidan hitting on your ManShep makes you squick with discomfort IS homophobic.

1) Then it's not really homophobia.

2) I have a problem with any of the current LIs becoming bi.

its like david gaider says their games are for every one not just the "straight male gamer"
just because you cant see them as gay does not mean other people dont i for one she them as being bi (and im a striaght male gamer)