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[ScotGaymer]

The problem is often perspective.

What one person might find fairly obvious another might completely miss.

For example I found the romances in ME2 to be the worse example of Bioware Ninjamances in any Bioware game ever.
Another person might not read things the same way and spot the romance choices a mile off.

How do you account for all those varying perspectives?

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 15 juin 2011 - 02:06 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Um....I'm pretty sure their going to make a female s/s. Why is it always about the men?

They already have a female s/s.

Oh wait, she's an Asari.  My bad.

... Wait.

[Jademoon121]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Um....I'm pretty sure their going to make a female s/s. Why is it always about the men?

'Cause we got shafted in the last two games. You ladies got Liara and to a lesser extent, Morinth, Samara, and Ashely. I do hope that you girls do get some real action in ME3 though. Maybe Ashely will start hanging on the border.

[Medhia Nox]

You know - I never thought so many straight dudes were so overly dramatic and sensitive.

[ScotGaymer]

I always found the Asari not counting as a Female SS romance arguement to be a bit mindboggling.

The Asari are established via codices, dialogue, and lore as being a MonoGendered ALL FEMALE race. They are not described as a NOGendered race.

Thus it seems to me that the FemShep/Liara romance DOES count as a lesbian relationship (at least as far as FemShep is concerned).

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Liara and FemShep definitely counts as a lesbian relationship, not to Liara but to Shepard. Made me laugh that Kaidan almost calls FemShep a lesbian but stops himself.

[Medhia Nox]

If they had made the Asari look like men - the argument that they don't have a gender would never have worked.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 15 juin 2011 - 02:14 .

[Jademoon121]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

Um....I'm pretty sure their going to make a female s/s. Why is it always about the men?

'Cause we got shafted in the last two games. You ladies got Liara and to a lesser extent, Morinth, Samara, and Ashely. I do hope that you girls do get some real action in ME3 though. Maybe Ashely will start hanging on the border.

Oh hell-to-the-no. I'm NOT a woman. I don't know how many times I have to say this.... But I was just wondering why we can't get a little of that talk going on. Maybe the male s/s wouldn't feel all the hate that's going on.

My bad! Sorry....

I don't why to be honest. It's kind of given that if there's going to be S/S romance in Bioware games, it'll be ladylove. Only a few games so far have actually had romances between men, before then it was either straight or lesbian love, so that's why I think there aren't many threads about that floating around. I think I saw an Ashely thread though.

[jamskinner]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Obviously, the word homophobia is thrown around too much.

You obviously arent gay or bi becuase if you were you wouldnt say that.

It is entirely possible to be homophobic out of ignorance or unintentionally/unconsiously. For example the straight man taking an unconcious step backwards when being introduced to a gay couple. The guy may not have even noticed he did it, might claim he isnt "homophobic". But the very fact that he initially flinched away from them because they are gay means he IS homophobic even if he doesnt conciously intend to be.
I don't know if you watch Glee; probably not; but another example of latent homophobia would be in that show when Finn is trying to convince Kurt not to do a duet with Sam because everyone would think Sam is gay and give him a hard time.

The problem isnt specific to SS romance (which is what the original poster seems to be saying - that it is specific to SS romance, or its only a problem in regards to SS romance). If you have a problem with it then you should have the problem regardless of the NPC or sex of your Shepard; not JUST with MaleShep and a male NPC. Having a problem with it ONLY in the sense of the fact that Kaidan hitting on your ManShep makes you squick with discomfort IS homophobic.

I want to know what is wrong with stepping back from something you are uncomfortable with?  If someone stinky came up to me I would probably back  from them.  Does that mean I have stinkaphobia?  No.  We supposedly live and a society that values diversity.  If so we should respect all peoples opinions even if we don't agree with them.  Calling them derogatory names(either side) doesn't help anyone.

Modifié par jamskinner, 15 juin 2011 - 02:19 .

[ScotGaymer]

@Medhia.

That arguement doesnt work as the female looking Asari either because they arent a NO Gender race. They are MonoGendered meaning ONE Gender - Female.
That arguement popped up because it was an attempt by the BW PR machine to explain why SS wasnt included in ME; and to support Ray Muzuka's STUPID statement that "Shepard is a predefined character" and that he was defined as straight.

@Jademoon.

It has been confirmed SS for both genders is included in ME3. Thankfully.

@Jamskinner.

Physically flinching away from someone because they are gay because of your own stereotypes and prejudices can hardly be equated to a smelly person who doesnt wash; that just doesnt wash as a valid arguement.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 15 juin 2011 - 02:22 .

[elearon1]

henno13 wrote...
 Or they could turn it off completely according to certain circumstances if you've imported. 

No.  First of all, many people will have ended up going with hetero romances in the previous game because there were no homosexual romances to be had.  Because of this, quite a few people who would have rather gone with homosexual partners, but wanted to participate in a romance line, were forced to approach hetero relationships. Effectively, what this means is they would be punishing people who import their old characters because of an oversight in their own game design.

Second, with the inclusion of same sex opportunities, besexuality becomes a legitimate choice for your Shepard.  By saying, "you can't have a same sex relationship in game 3 because you dated Miranda in game 2" you are effectively limiting Shep's sexual options again - which is precisely what they're trying to change by adding SS options.  

Personally, I liked the approach in DA2, where dialogues which would further relationships were clearly labeled with icons - as were options which stopped that sort of thing in its tracks.  (I never had an instance where, once I had chosen the broken heart icon in DA2, a character continued to hit on me ... not unless I started choosing heart icons again later)

[Rinji the Bearded]

jamskinner wrote...

I want to know what is wrong with stepping back from something you are uncomfortable with?  If someone stinky came up to me I would probably back  from them.  Does that mean I have stinkaphobia?  No.  We supposedly live and a society that values diversity.  If so we should respect all peoples opinions even if we don't agree with them.  Calling them derogatory names(either side) doesn't help anyone.

There isn't anything wrong with being uncomfortable and stepping away, but please don't compare stepping away from someone of the same gender who is hitting on you with stepping away from someone who smells. 

We've already been told that the s/s LI will be reactive depending on how we interact with them, so anyone who is afraid of being hit on by another person of the same gender will need to simply not hit on them.  I just hope that the developers make these dialogue options more obvious so we are not railroaded.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 15 juin 2011 - 02:25 .

[jamskinner]

RinjiRenee wrote...

jamskinner wrote...

I want to know what is wrong with stepping back from something you are uncomfortable with?  If someone stinky came up to me I would probably back  from them.  Does that mean I have stinkaphobia?  No.  We supposedly live and a society that values diversity.  If so we should respect all peoples opinions even if we don't agree with them.  Calling them derogatory names(either side) doesn't help anyone.

There isn't anything wrong with being uncomfortable and stepping away, but please don't compare stepping away from someone of the same gender who is hitting on you with stepping away from someone who smells. 

We've already been told that the s/s LI will be reactive depending on how we interact with them, so anyone who is afraid of being hit on by another person of the same gender will need to simply not hit on them.  I just hope that the developers make these dialogue options more obvious so we are not railroaded.

Why not?  Are you saying it is ok to treat some who smells  as a lesser person then someone who is gay?   Both are things someone may not like. 

Modifié par jamskinner, 15 juin 2011 - 02:28 .

[ScotGaymer]

RinjiRenee wrote...

There isn't anything wrong with being uncomfortable and stepping away, but please don't compare stepping away from someone of the same gender who is hitting on you with stepping away from someone who smells. 

We've already been told that the s/s LI will be reactive depending on how we interact with them, so anyone who is afraid of being hit on by another person of the same gender will need to simply not hit on them.  I just hope that the developers make these dialogue options more obvious so we are not railroaded.

Just to clarify the example I used was a gay male couple thus would likely not been hitting on the straight male they are meeting.
In that situation stepping/flinching away from them would be rude at best; offensive at worst.

Stepping back from a lad hitting on you if you are a str8 guy wouldnt be bad in any way shape or form; but again that isnt restricted to sexuality. Stepping away from ANYONE you arent interested in that is hitting on you is perfectly acceptable.

Flinching away from someone just because they happen to be "being gay" in your presence is wrong,  however. It be rude and kind of offensive.

As always with these things perspective matters.

[Rinji the Bearded]

jamskinner wrote...

Why not?  Are you saying it is ok to treat some who smells  as a lesser person then someone who is gay?   Both are things someone may not like. 

Personal hygiene isn't the same, guy.  I can tell someone to take a shower, and I sure in heck will.  I can't tell someone to stop being gay/bisexual.

They don't make Speed Stick for sexual preference.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 15 juin 2011 - 02:32 .

[Cartims]

*Yawn*, this again, you straight people are so boring, get out much?

[PlumPaul93]

Guys stop trying to hijack this thread you have your own thread so please just stop.

[Medhia Nox]

@jamskinner - you're really in trouble if it's a stinky gay person.

[Rinji the Bearded]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Guys stop trying to hijack this thread you have your own thread so please just stop.

We're not hijacking anything.  The topic is "Same-Sex Relationships could be an absolute disasted for the characters."  We are asserting that it will not be.

Discuss.

[PlumPaul93]

RinjiRenee wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Guys stop trying to hijack this thread you have your own thread so please just stop.

We're not hijacking anything.  The topic is "Same-Sex Relationships could be an absolute disasted for the characters."  We are asserting that it will not be.

Discuss.

Could've fooled me 4-5 posts before mine were saying that people in this thread said no S/S romance should be in the game which wasn't the case, the stupidity in this thread blah blah, and a ooh this thread again. If that's not off-topic and trying to hijack a thread what is?