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[Sister Helen]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Sister Helen wrote...

Meh. This scenario should not happen.

Jack would find Kaidan officious and a wet blanket. She'd probably vandalize his helmet with a frowny face.

Kaidan would waffle a bit, try to mentor Jack for a few minutes, then give up on Jack, then think about it, then maybe... if he's not busy mentoring someone else and she was willing, maybe, he'd think about mentoring her again. Then he'd go get drinks with some doctor on the Citadel.

Come on now. It's Jack, she'd put something way more offensive on his helmet than a frowny face.

Definitely. 

(I just couldn't think of something naughty enough. Guess I need to think more like Jack.)

[jeweledleah]

more like - Jack would try to shock him, he'll just calmly wait her out until she's too confused not to listen, and then after being impressing with his actually ability she might come up and ask for pointers herself. She'd probably do her best to make him lose control though, so she'd be coming back just for challenge of that and he'd try to do his best to get her to relax and to trust more.

[Scy Lancer]

I think they resolved her past well through the game. Her loyalty mission and the romance seemed like a good enough wrap up for her past problems. Samara would be a better teacher for her biotic powers I think, though I don't see that ending well unless Jack flys straight and narrow. I don't think she needs a mentor so much as a counter part to balance her out. Which I guess would be Shepard. Interesting idea though. Would love to see it play out or in a fan fiction or something.

[Siansonea]

I think Samara might have to kill Jack if she's ever released from Shepard's oath (which presumably she is by the end of the Suicide Mission). Jack won't ever really walk the straight and narrow, and though Samara couldn't care less about Jack's abrasive personality, if she witnesses Jack doing something patently unjust, which is only a matter of time, Jack is dead. I'm sorry, I know Jack is a badass, but Samara has experience and control, which would give her an edge over Jack should it ever come down to a mano-a-mano duel between the two. And I think Jack knows it.

[ThatDancingTurian]

strive wrote...

The OP isn't suggesting biotic training.. more like emotional/mental mentoring..

I don't think Jack would take kindly to anyone trying to emotionally mentor her, especially if they tried to act like they understood where she was coming from. Kaidan's biotic program may have been rough, but it was hardly the routine torture and experimentation Jack went through. Not to mention he seemed to move on to a fairly stable life after that, unlike Jack who hopped from one further mentally/emotionally damaging relationship to another. Even that guy on her LM who had been through exactly what she had wasn't an ally to her and she hated him just as much as anyone else.

Nobody but a licensed psychological professional is equipped to tackle her issues, and she won't go for that either.

[Anezay]

Not sure about this idea, but I do agree that this series needs moar squaddie interaction.

[l DryIce l]

Siansonea II wrote...

I think Samara might have to kill Jack if she's ever released from Shepard's oath (which presumably she is by the end of the Suicide Mission). Jack won't ever really walk the straight and narrow, and though Samara couldn't care less about Jack's abrasive personality, if she witnesses Jack doing something patently unjust, which is only a matter of time, Jack is dead. I'm sorry, I know Jack is a badass, but Samara has experience and control, which would give her an edge over Jack should it ever come down to a mano-a-mano duel between the two. And I think Jack knows it.

Erm...I doubt anything like that would ever happen. But if that were the case, I'd kill Samara. 

[Siansonea]

l DryIce l wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I think Samara might have to kill Jack if she's ever released from Shepard's oath (which presumably she is by the end of the Suicide Mission). Jack won't ever really walk the straight and narrow, and though Samara couldn't care less about Jack's abrasive personality, if she witnesses Jack doing something patently unjust, which is only a matter of time, Jack is dead. I'm sorry, I know Jack is a badass, but Samara has experience and control, which would give her an edge over Jack should it ever come down to a mano-a-mano duel between the two. And I think Jack knows it.

Erm...I doubt anything like that would ever happen. But if that were the case, I'd kill Samara. 

Good luck with that.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I think Jack + Shepard + another one of Shepard's squad could take on Samara.

I'd hate for that to happen though, I like them both.

[Sister Helen]

I like Jack the way she is.

She knows herself and kept her word about helping Shep out in return for the Cerberus intel.

Why does she need a mentor? The only person she attacked on ship was Miranda, and frankly, Miranda had it coming. What idiot tells a woman who had been tortured as a kid that well, the folks who did it were a "fringe branch" and the main group wouldn't have condoned it?

Jack doesn't need a mentor.

[Badpie]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I was having the exact same conversation about Kaidan & Jack with my wife a few days ago. How they're both opposite sides of the same coin.

However, my conclusion was less that Kaidan would mentor Jack, and more that she'd be a bad influence on him and it would ultimately end up with them having steamy biotic bulkhead crushing hate-sex.

He would never surivive.

[Confused-Shepard]

Maybe if Kaidan took a level in badass and could hold his own.
He could be the Wolverine to Jack's Incredible Hulk.

And he could talk all Obi-Wan like, "FOCUS! You need to focus!"
Or like X-Men First class with Xavier teaching Magneto, "The point between Rage & Serenity"

[StrawberryViking]

Saberchic wrote...

He's a highly trained, disciplined man. She's an unstable loose cannon who bucks against authority. Despite both having gone through a "biotic camp," their experiences were very different. I think Jack would be the first one to spell that out for anyone who thought otherwise. I think these two would have a lot of conflict if they ever should meet up.

 

I don't know about anybody else, but this sounds like a set-up for a really bad sit-com about roommates, or a romantic comedy. I can practically hear the trailer guy's voice in my head. 

But I do agree that it seems something that could work really well, like somebody else said, she could learn something along the lines of something like in X-Men, "...the place between rage and serenity." (loved the movie BTW) 

Though I can't help but think that Kaidan would keep telling her after repeated attempts at control "YOU RACK DISCIPRINE." And Jack, ultimately frustrated subsequently punching him in the face, killing him.

Modifié par StrawberryViking, 21 juin 2011 - 08:49 .

[AngelicMachinery]

I don't see how a two bit biotic would have anything to offer Jack...

[ThatDancingTurian]

StrawberryViking wrote...

I don't know about anybody else, but this sounds like a set-up for a really bad sit-com about roommates, or a romantic comedy. I can practically hear the trailer guy's voice in my head.

It'd be like The Odd Couple but with explosions!

I can just see a scene in said trailer: A tight shot on Kaidan with his eyes wide as he looks off-screen. Cut to a shot of an entire building crumbling into dust and fire. Cut to Jack, casually quipping, "Oops."

/ot

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 21 juin 2011 - 08:53 .

[Confused-Shepard]

We kind of need this if only to give some extra dimensions too and make Kaidan a deeper character
However the relations ship should be more Xavier to Magneto than Mr. Miyagi to Daniel

[Ultai]

Except Jack doesn't want a therapist or mentor. And before someone says something about Shep romancing her, that's why you avoid the paragon area and stick towards the neutral/renegade options in her romance arc. But since romance arcs are subplots, I still expect Jack to have a rough attitude in ME3 (don't soften her demeanor too far Bioware, please).

Regardless of that, squadmate interactions are still welcome.

[Slurms McKenzie]

Bah, Jack doesn't need Kaiden. Kaiden can't teach her anything. And besides, Kaiden is dead (mine is), so that plan has gone all ****** up, hasn't it?

Good Luck and Stay Safe

Modifié par Slurms McKenzie, 21 juin 2011 - 10:13 .

[mineralica]

Ultai wrote...

Except Jack doesn't want a therapist or mentor. And before someone says something about Shep romancing her, that's why you avoid the paragon area and stick towards the neutral/renegade options in her romance arc. But since romance arcs are subplots, I still expect Jack to have a rough attitude in ME3 (don't soften her demeanor too far Bioware, please).

Regardless of that, squadmate interactions are still welcome.

Aha, it seems I've missed something again - my Shepard who romanced Jack is the kindest guy of all playthroughs, so he used a paragon path. Jack was mad at him, though - "That's not the answer I expected!". I'd probably also be mad in her place.
As for rough attitude... PC Gamer(?) said she's mature now and even wear shirt, but honestly I can't see Jack not being rough. Not rough Jack is simply "not Jack".

[Scy Lancer]

I was just saying Samara would be the better biotic teacher. Obviously Jack is sort of the moral opposite of Samara, which makes them both great characters. Jack is presumably the most powerful human biotic. Which probably makes her just a cut above maiden Asari if how I understand the relationship between biotic abilities and other species is right.
Jack is an amazing character on her own. I trust in BioWare's story telling and know it'll be good for the game. But I also love extended story telling like fan fiction. I would love to see someone make one around this topic.