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[LPPrince]

Mesina2 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

No, I regretted it because its lack of ammo and ridiculously short range made it lame for me.

I prefer longer range shotguns, if you haven't noticed already.

You prefer CQC weapon to be long range weapon?



I'm stunned. No, I'm really am.
Why don't be just make sniper shotgun too as well?
And automatic shotgun too!

Long range≠Longer range.

As for automatic shotguns, the most suggested shotgun given to Christina Norman on twitter when she asked for suggestions was the AA-12 Shotgun, which can be fired at fully auto, which is exactly why most people suggested it.

So I'm completely behind fully auto shotguns, why not?

Hell, we already have the Scimitar, don't we?

I mean, its not auto, but it IS rapid fire.

Modifié par LPPrince, 15 juin 2011 - 08:36 .

[Stardusk78]

LPPrince wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

No, I regretted it because its lack of ammo and ridiculously short range made it lame for me.

I prefer longer range shotguns, if you haven't noticed already.

That's pretty much the reason I disliked it too, even as a Vaguard. It ha dvery slow rate of fire because of the reload, and it was pretty much just usable to a acceptable effect with the Charge ability, but I don't always want to Charge, because sometimes there just aren't any good spots. Sometimes, I think it's just better to use the shotgun the normal way, and that's where I think the Claymore falls on its ass.

Most of the time I use a shotgun, its NOT after Charging. I'd say its a good 60/40 no-charge to charge shotgunning.

And The Claymore as you said falls on its ass outside of charge shotgunning while the rest blow it away.

If you're not Charging, you're not really playing the Vanguard. What is the point?

If you don't do any CQC you are missing out on some of the most dynamic and challenging aspects of the game.

[Stardusk78]

Mesina2 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

thompsonaf wrote...

ME2 shotguns are horribly inferior to ME1 shotguns. I routinely used my ME1 shotgun (Spectre X w/ 2xrail ext IV + HE ammo) to great effect. The shotguns had decent range, good kick, tight spread, and a lot of stopping power.

ME2 shotguns have the range of a midget throwing a boulder, HUGE spread, low damage, and almost zero knockdown. They suck.

Nonsense.

I disagree. He has a point(somewhat). While I don't think ME2 shotguns are completely useless, they definitely can't be used as well as they were in ME1. Barring the GPS, if I tried using shotguns as a main weapon in ME2, I'd have a MUCH harder time than if I chose another weapon to be my main choice.

In ME1, my shotgun was my baby. Carried it everywhere, and it carried me to victory.

My first few playthroughs of ME2 I rarely ever used my shotgun and I always play a Vanguard.

Shotguns were just underwhelming for me in ME2. They felt better, but I feel they needed more range and needed to be more unique.

In ME1, they all shot the same, but I got over that since they were so GOOD.

I remember my first playthrough of ME2, when I got to the Collector Ship, I chose the Claymore over AR or SR training.

I regretted it instantly.

After that, I chose AR training every time. Thank GOD.

In other words, you don't know how to use a shotgun.

Exactly

[LPPrince]

I AM charging. Its just that when I'm using my shotgun, its not so I can charge and shotgun someone all the time.

I like to use my shotgun when I'm NOT charging someone because charging isn't always ideal.

That's when these ridiculously short range shotties fail hard.

[LPPrince]

Wait, why exactly am I trying to justify my play style to people?

[Stardusk78]

LPPrince wrote...

Wait, why exactly am I trying to justify my play style to people?

Charging and not using the shotgun= NOT the Vanguard

[Stardusk78]

LPPrince wrote...

Wait, why exactly am I trying to justify my play style to people?

Watch my vids or anyone else's, tons of multiclass shotgun users....

You just haven't practised hard enough if you did, you wouldn't be saying what you are saying.

[LPPrince]

Stardusk78 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Wait, why exactly am I trying to justify my play style to people?

Charging and not using the shotgun= NOT the Vanguard

People play differently than the norm, you know.

[LPPrince]

Stardusk78 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Wait, why exactly am I trying to justify my play style to people?

Watch my vids or anyone else's, tons of multiclass shotgun users....

You just haven't practised hard enough if you did, you wouldn't be saying what you are saying.

Is there a reason you're making a bunch of assumptions as to what I've done?

I'm not angry, just curious as to what's with the multitude of assumptions here.

[Stardusk78]

LPPrince wrote...

Wait, why exactly am I trying to justify my play style to people?

The Claymore is also great with the Infiltrator!

[Stardusk78]

LPPrince wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Wait, why exactly am I trying to justify my play style to people?

Watch my vids or anyone else's, tons of multiclass shotgun users....

You just haven't practised hard enough if you did, you wouldn't be saying what you are saying.

Is there a reason you're making a bunch of assumptions as to what I've done?

I'm not angry, just curious as to what's with the multitude of assumptions here.

So, you mastered the Claymore but just don't like it?

Why would you use a shotgun at medium range? what is the point?

[Juha81FIN]

Stardusk78 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Wait, why exactly am I trying to justify my play style to people?

The Claymore is also great with the Infiltrator!

Erm Infiltrators can´t get Claymore unless you cheat

[Warkupo]

Why does being a Vanguard mean I have to kill people only using one method? Where is your creativity?

[LPPrince]

Stardusk78 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Wait, why exactly am I trying to justify my play style to people?

The Claymore is also great with the Infiltrator!

I bet it is, what with the Infiltrator's tactical cloak style of being invisible to enemies. Oh wait, you CAN'T USE THE CLAYMORE ON AN INFILTRATOR WITHOUT MODS. Moving on-

Thing is, Tactical Cloak can be used to get in close and then get OUT when things get hairy.

Charge literally can only put you into the action. I'm not going to charge and shotgun enemies just so I can die and reload over and over again.

If staying behind cover and shooting my shotgun from there is optimal, its what I'm going to do until an opportunity to use Charge presents itself without me dying afterwards.

Modifié par LPPrince, 15 juin 2011 - 08:46 .

[LPPrince]

Warkupo wrote...

Why does being a Vanguard mean I have to kill people only using one method? Where is your creativity?

This. I don't get it. Just because you forego using the typical method doesn't mean you're not using the class or not using it right.

You're using it DIFFERENTLY. Shotgunning from cover can be WAY more effective than shotgunning after a charge.

[Warkupo]

Charges recharges your shields. Doesn't always work, but that's what you use to escape afterward. 

Modifié par Warkupo, 15 juin 2011 - 08:47 .

[LPPrince]

Warkupo wrote...

Charges recharges your shields.

Doesn't help when you've got a ton of enemies around you or if you're doing it on harder difficulties.

[Stardusk78]

LPPrince wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Wait, why exactly am I trying to justify my play style to people?

The Claymore is also great with the Infiltrator!

I bet it is, what with the Infiltrator's tactical cloak style of being invisible to enemies. Oh wait, you CAN'T USE THE CLAYMORE ON A INFILTRATOR WITHOUT MODS. Moving on-

Thing is, Tactical Cloak can be used to get in close and then get OUT when things get hairy.

Charge literally can only put you into the action. I'm not going to charge and shotgun enemies just so I can die and reload over and over again.

If staying behind cover and shooting my shotgun from there is optimal, its what I'm going to do until an opportunity to use Charge presents itself without me dying afterwards.

You just confessed that you don't know how to play the Vanguard. The shotgun doesn't matter.

Here is an Engineer kicking ass using the Claymore, which is more risky than either the Vanguard or the Infiltrator:



Vanguard kicking ass with the Claymore:

http://www.youtube.c.../15/ff-bhxDucrI

[Warkupo]

LPPrince wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Charges recharges your shields.

Doesn't help when you've got a ton of enemies around you or if you're doing it on harder difficulties.

Yeah, still needs to be used intelligently. A lot of people advocating the "CHARGE ALWAYS" playstyle don't seem to take into account that you don't always have all your upgrades/armor/levels to fall back on. I would not charge into a pack of enemies during Garrus recruitment mission the same way I would charge into a pack of enemies during the final Collector attack. 

[Someone With Mass]

And you don't always know about all the enemies' locations. There could be a guy with a flamethrower near your target. If you land near him, you're f*cked.

[Stardusk78]

LPPrince wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Why does being a Vanguard mean I have to kill people only using one method? Where is your creativity?

This. I don't get it. Just because you forego using the typical method doesn't mean you're not using the class or not using it right.

You're using it DIFFERENTLY. Shotgunning from cover can be WAY more effective than shotgunning after a charge.

Shotgunning from cover is WAY easier than Charging, sure but Vanguard=Charge.

[LPPrince]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And you don't always know about all the enemies' locations. There could be a guy with a flamethrower near your target. If you land near him, you're f*cked.

My point exactly.

And what do I get for stating it?

People making baseless assumptions, telling me I don't know how to play the game, etc etc etc.

Fun times, fun times.

[LPPrince]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Vanguard=Charge.

If that were true, the Vanguard would have only that power and nothing else.

[Stardusk78]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And you don't always know about all the enemies' locations. There could be a guy with a flamethrower near your target. If you land near him, you're f*cked.

You can charge flamers easily...

[Stardusk78]

LPPrince wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Vanguard=Charge.

If that were true, the Vanguard would have only that power and nothing else.

You should play the Adept then, it sounds like it would be more your style.