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[onelifecrisis]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

I've always thought the different alien races represent different facets of the human condition. If you view it like that then the current state of each race then becomes ether a warning against our baser instincts or an example of what humanity can achieve if we can reach our true potential.

I might be reading to much into it though.

I don't think you are. In fact I think it's pretty obvious that this is what BW were going for.

Just a disclaimer for the "You are stupid it's just a video game" crowd lol

I understand 

[sponge56]

Clonedzero wrote...

i hate people who read too deeply into things.

and the shepard is jesus thing is silly. you can find a way to compare ANYONE to jesus. just because a hero is reborn doesnt make the comparison to jesus anymore relevant, hell the "hero being reborn" cliche has been around for far longer than jesus has lol

Like it or not, most things have ulterior messages or motives. And the shepard-Jesus connotation is preety obvious isnt it? Shepard/Jesus are reborn from the dead in order to save humanity. Oh and they both have 12 squadmates/ disiples^_^. In all seriousness though, the name is Biblical (Shepard= guide/ saviour), and WAS chosen like that for a reason

[Clonedzero]

sponge56 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

i hate people who read too deeply into things.

and the shepard is jesus thing is silly. you can find a way to compare ANYONE to jesus. just because a hero is reborn doesnt make the comparison to jesus anymore relevant, hell the "hero being reborn" cliche has been around for far longer than jesus has lol

Like it or not, most things have ulterior messages or motives. And the shepard-Jesus connotation is preety obvious isnt it? Shepard/Jesus are reborn from the dead in order to save humanity. Oh and they both have 12 squadmates/ disiples^_^. In all seriousness though, the name is Biblical (Shepard= guide/ saviour), and WAS chosen like that for a reason

shepard was chosen because it was the name of the first american in space

[SoulRebel_1979]

"Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes... well, he eats you"

That's the only message I got from ME

[Deviana]

For me there are a few messages:
- Do not give up, no matter how hopeless the situation.
- Overcome any differences and work together.
- One person CAN make the difference.
But I'm very curious to see how the story with Reapers will play out and what their ultimate reasoning is.

[Ieldra]

R3MUS wrote...
The Reapers are really interesting. In some ways we are heading there. If the Reapers are the end result of a species who didn't wanna know hunger, fear, pain or sickness and just live forever then i can see how we are heading there.

We wanna cure everything, cancer, hiv/aids, and we wanna advance more and more at the technology front. In the end, we will end up being more machines than nature.

But i just play the Mass Effect games for it's amazing universe and story.

I agree that the Reapers are interesting and I like to think about the philosophical implications of their existence. But everyone will attach a different meaning to things. I find the notion of transforming ourselves through technology rather attractive, so the Reapers have a certain fascination, though I wouldn't want to sacrifice individuality like the Reaperized species apparently did, and I wouldn't want to be forced into such an existence prematurely, or at all.

In the end, what I hope for is that ME3 gives us enough variety of endings that the majority of us can play out their preferred message in the game. For instance, I want Miranda's genetic engineering to be seen as something desirable, I want Reaper technology to be seen as what it is, not evil mojo but a technology with a huge potential, though incredibly dangerous to master. I want humanity, and the Council species, to start overcoming the stagnation of their cultures through mastering and understanding what they've until now only used. I want them expanding and exploring the unknown reaches of the galaxy again. Most of all, I do not want a traditional mindset forced upon my character. If I get all that, I will be able to write a meaning of my own into the games which is, well, meaningful to me.

Please, Bioware, make it possible!

 

[sponge56]

Clonedzero wrote...



shepard was chosen because it was the name of the first american in space

No satisfied whistle face for you! Because Hudson ALSO said it was chosen for the Biblical meaning of shepard as well as the space one, so you get half a whistle face, cause were both right:wizard:

Modifié par sponge56, 15 juin 2011 - 03:50 .

[LouTenant]

"Don't fear the reaper"

Modifié par LouTenant, 15 juin 2011 - 03:54 .

[wolfennights]

Don't bring your High School English class words into my video game!

Modifié par wolfennights, 15 juin 2011 - 03:54 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

"Once you go blue, you never go back."

[sponge56]

wolfennights wrote...

Don't bring your High School English class words into my video game!

Keep you anti-intellectualism away from my videogame!

[Clonedzero]

sponge56 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...



shepard was chosen because it was the name of the first american in space

No satisfied whistle face for you! Because Hudson ALSO said it was chosen for the Biblical meaning of shepard as well as the space one, so you get half a whistle face, cause were both right:wizard:

well wasnt it him just saying "and shepard turned out to be a good name because of its secondary symbolic meaning" ? the biblical thing just sorta accidently fell in their lap, it wasnt intentional

[Therefore_I_Am]

The same message that star trek gives us... Not exactly a moral one, it's more about re-evaluating ourselves as a species, and how every other species in mass effect stand for each type of emotion or personality that humans have.
I do see quite a few biblical references in this franchise though and it does come apparent right when you start playing ME2, that Shepard (biblical reference) is brought back to life via lazarus project (biblical) after defeating sovereign who claims "I am legion" (biblical) and who also claims that every reaper is collective concsience.

[AlanC9]

"If you've got a message, use Western Union" -- Samuel Goldwyn.

Guess we need to update that saying to mention Twitter or something, but it's still true.

[DurkBakala]

What does it mean to be alive.

[Waltzingbear]

I don't think there is any. It's just meant to be Epic.

[MasterShepardN7]

There's a lot to be analyzed throughout the ME trilogy especially if you look deeply into the character of Thane. Solipsism and many of his attributes are great ways to start, but if you're talking about deeper meaning to the series as a whole there is a plethora of messages, morals, and philosophical meaning to it. Take the Reapers for example. They allude to existentialism and what really gives life purpose. I think the main message of the ME trilogy is also personal choice and how every action has consequences be it good or bad.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

The over all message of the Mass Effect series is that only by opening every container, door, and PDA you come across can you ever truly be happy.

There's a more female oriented story in there too. Girls, if you love a guy, you should let him choose your outfits. At least the color, if not the whole thing.

[Sister Helen]

I don't know what the meaning is. I just know that Shep is at a breaking point: Check out this video on YouTube:

[Cutlass Jack]

Sister Helen wrote...

I don't know what the meaning is. I just know that Shep is at a breaking point: Check out this video on YouTube:

I think that better represents how my Hawke was feeling at the end of DA2.

[DOGGEH84]

I think a good way to describe it in one word "Unity".

Bringing all races together. True meaning of loyalty and friendships.

[aries1001]

The doctors Ray M and Greg Z said in an interview many years ago (and I'll try see if I can find a link or maybe other will help with this as well?) that the story dealt with artificial intelligence, and it is a cautionary tale of how (dangerous) artificial intelligence can go wrong. As I remember it, mankind invented these reapers to help us with something? (sorry, been a long time since I've been following Mass Effect).

I also think it is simply about being human, what is it to be human and how humans will behave when they meet other species that are not human e.g. how do Shepard behave when meeting - yes - aliens. Is he cordial to people he meet or is he a renegade? I agree with almost everything that has been said about the meaning or interpretation of the game.

And yes, the hero reborn can, I think, in fact, be traced back to the old egyptians. Here's one from Egypt, involving a coffin: http://en.wikipedia....Osiris_and_Isis This just means that the ME3 writers do indeed know their classicals texts, probably becuse a lot of them are English Majors, maybe...

As a sidenote, Dragon Age does something similar; the mad mage (or scientist) in Watcher's Keep, experiments with -ahem- something or someone, in Golems of Amgerrak you see (some of) the results, and the dwarves sort of do the same with their use of and making of Golems.

And to continue a bit, isn't Commander Shepard a Golem now? Does he not have cybernetic parts in him now? And can he then still be considered human?

The reason why I bring up that Ray and Greg are medical doctors is exactly because of this; their first software was to be used to help doctors decide what actually was wrong with patiens. They called it - BioWare - and so the company was born. I've always wondered how much impact this had on the stories, they really wanted to tell. It seems as with the Mass Effect series, we might have gotten an answer - at least partially.

[Weak Sauce Hype]

here's another one:

The Reapers are real!

[Robodragon]

if there is any message at all its to unite under a commen threat and stop being such wusses when it comes to working with other races..........also humans kick butt big time.