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The meaning/message of mass effect?
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#102
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 05:57
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i dont even consider ME2 to be part of mass effect.
to me "Mass Effect" mans ME1 and thats it.
to me "Mass Effect" mans ME1 and thats it.
#103
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 05:59
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onelifecrisis wrote...
Blue = Democrat = Paragon (pro-diversity)
Red = Republican = Renegade (racist)
I don't mind it too much most of the time, but when the writers have game characters spit the word "politician" like it has a bad taste I find it rather hypocritical.
I can't even begin to describe how wrong that is, not just the political stuff, but being a renegade in Mass Effect does not imply racism, just a reckless indifference for ALL life...Renegades have a ruthless approach, mission before everything else. Paragon is simply putting people before the mission, risking the accomplishment of said mission.
#104
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 06:48
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Sister Helen wrote...
huntrrz wrote...
"Never give up! Never surrender!"
AWESOME! Galaxy Quest quote. Awesomest show that never existed:
By Rag'thar's Hammer...what a savings.
#105
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 07:03
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yeah onelifecrisis that is a completely invalid comparison. like so wrong a double picard facepalm doesn't begin to describe it.
and I think the only message in Mass Effect is "kick ***, take names, and do it how ever you like"
and I think the only message in Mass Effect is "kick ***, take names, and do it how ever you like"
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#106
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 07:07
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I think the entire message of mass effect is....to eat your vegetables.
#107
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 07:11
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Deal with the consequences of your choices.
That's the message it passed to me.
That's the message it passed to me.
#108
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 07:16
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I think ME (1) had a clear message conveyed through its themes of AI, slavery, genocide, sacrifice, etc. But ME2 was about so much different things that I can't find one big overall theme out of it, with the small exception of sacrificing your humanity with the Collector Base matter. Maybe because it was more about personal stuff. Maybe ME3 will be a bit more focused (it better be) like ME (1).
Anyway, if there was a message intented by Bioware and if so what that message may be, we won't know for sure until we actually played through ME3.
Anyway, if there was a message intented by Bioware and if so what that message may be, we won't know for sure until we actually played through ME3.
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#109
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 07:55
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That our flaws are what separate us from an emotionless, flawless race like the Reapers, and that we should embrace these flaws rather than spurn them as they are what makes us who we are.
Maybe.
Maybe.
#110
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 08:04
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1) the conflicting philosophies of standing with others, dependent on others but stronger for being part of a group, vs standing alone, with more freedom, but being alone in the wilderness.
2) Prejudice. Prejudice vs humans. Prejudice vs aliens, Against synthetics, against organics, From simple distrust to cycles of destruction on planetary, even galactic scales
3) Do the ends justify the means? How far are you willing to go to ensure your survival, or the survival of others? Where do you draw the line? Is there a line at all?
Or there's 4) Shoot first. Shoot last. Shoot some more.
2) Prejudice. Prejudice vs humans. Prejudice vs aliens, Against synthetics, against organics, From simple distrust to cycles of destruction on planetary, even galactic scales
3) Do the ends justify the means? How far are you willing to go to ensure your survival, or the survival of others? Where do you draw the line? Is there a line at all?
Or there's 4) Shoot first. Shoot last. Shoot some more.
#111
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 08:22
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The Reapers are, for all intents and purposes, Gods. They can create, as seen with the Citadel, the Relays and even the creatures they create, and they can destroy. The civilizations of the galaxy are obeying them just by existing, following predetermined technological and cultural paths without even knowing it. The Reapers are in effect shaping life from outside the galaxy, and to the mortal organics of the galaxy they may as well be Gods. Some of the lines from Sovereign and Harbinger - 'organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident' and 'your worlds shall be our laboratories' - imply that the Reapers may have actually created life.
Step forward Shepard, a man brought back from the dead, who is uniting the races of the galaxy to fight these god-like beings. Mass Effect seems loosely based on old Greek tales where Man (or in this case life in general) rise up against their Gods (in this case their creators, the Reapers). The vague biblical references (Shepard's resurrection, his 12 followers, the names of many of the loyalty missions, Legion, Lazarus) point to it being a cross between an inversion of the Christian Bible and the story of the Greek hero Perseus, where Man rises up against God and is lead not by a demi-god, but by a man who has escaped death. There are some parallels that can be drawn between Shepard and Christ, but there's no sinister hidden meaning or message to it - its an underdog story on the highest level, life rising up against its malevolent creator and puppeteer, the Reapers.
(Having read this back I sound like a paranoid nut
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Within this there are many other themes:
What it means to be alive, represented by the many plots regarding whether organic and synthetic life are equal.
Whether the lesser of two evils is justifiable, as seen with the Genophage.
And others like prejudice and to what extent the ends justify the means, as described in a post above me.
Step forward Shepard, a man brought back from the dead, who is uniting the races of the galaxy to fight these god-like beings. Mass Effect seems loosely based on old Greek tales where Man (or in this case life in general) rise up against their Gods (in this case their creators, the Reapers). The vague biblical references (Shepard's resurrection, his 12 followers, the names of many of the loyalty missions, Legion, Lazarus) point to it being a cross between an inversion of the Christian Bible and the story of the Greek hero Perseus, where Man rises up against God and is lead not by a demi-god, but by a man who has escaped death. There are some parallels that can be drawn between Shepard and Christ, but there's no sinister hidden meaning or message to it - its an underdog story on the highest level, life rising up against its malevolent creator and puppeteer, the Reapers.
(Having read this back I sound like a paranoid nut
)Within this there are many other themes:
What it means to be alive, represented by the many plots regarding whether organic and synthetic life are equal.
Whether the lesser of two evils is justifiable, as seen with the Genophage.
And others like prejudice and to what extent the ends justify the means, as described in a post above me.
Modifié par candidate88766, 21 juin 2011 - 08:23 .
#112
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 08:51
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Clonedzero wrote...
i hate people who read too deeply into things.
and the shepard is jesus thing is silly. you can find a way to compare ANYONE to jesus. just because a hero is reborn doesnt make the comparison to jesus anymore relevant, hell the "hero being reborn" cliche has been around for far longer than jesus has lol
There's a reason a lot of fiction can be an compared to the bible and that's because it has had a huge impact on our society. Does that mean they're trying to force a message on you? Of course not. It just helps to add a certain tone and reference point for the game's events, and characters. Humans in the mass effect universe haven't just forgotten about religion and it just adds to the believabilty that some (like Ashley) still hold it in high regard and others (The Illusive Man) draw inspiration from it (the Lazarus project) even if they're not religious themselves.
#114
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 09:16
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Richard 060 wrote...
You can fight like a Krogan, run like a leopard, but you'll never be better than Commander Shepard...
THIS! :L
#115
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 09:20
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onelifecrisis wrote...
Blue = Democrat = Paragon (pro-diversity)
Red = Republican = Renegade (racist)
I don't mind it too much most of the time, but when the writers have game characters spit the word "politician" like it has a bad taste I find it rather hypocritical.
Coincidentally the more liberal this coutry becomes the more it worsens.
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Vicex wrote...
I can't even begin to describe how wrong that is, not just the political stuff, but being a renegade in Mass Effect does not imply racism, just a reckless indifference for ALL life...Renegades have a ruthless approach, mission before everything else. Paragon is simply putting people before the mission, risking the accomplishment of said mission.
Modifié par Guns, 21 juin 2011 - 09:22 .
#117
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 10:03
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I don't think there's a message, really.
It's a heroic epic where the good guys (you) fight tooth and nail against the badguys (reapers). It's nothing more complicated than that.
It's a heroic epic where the good guys (you) fight tooth and nail against the badguys (reapers). It's nothing more complicated than that.
#118
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 10:04
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"Tupari! Brings your ancestors back from the grave!"
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Posté 21 juin 2011 - 10:40
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Vicex wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
Blue = Democrat = Paragon (pro-diversity)
Red = Republican = Renegade (racist)
I don't mind it too much most of the time, but when the writers have game characters spit the word "politician" like it has a bad taste I find it rather hypocritical.
I can't even begin to describe how wrong that is, not just the political stuff, but being a renegade in Mass Effect does not imply racism, just a reckless indifference for ALL life...Renegades have a ruthless approach, mission before everything else. Paragon is simply putting people before the mission, risking the accomplishment of said mission.
I'm not sure what you're referring to with the "how wrong that is" comment, as you didn't actually specify what was wrong. As for Renegade Shepard being racist: s/he supports Terra Firma and Cerberus, explicitly distrusts aliens, and doesn't want the Genophage cured... and none of these things are directly related to the mission.
#120
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 10:47
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Ieldra2 wrote... Biotics are considered transhuman, if you recall the whole Burns incident in ME1 and its echo in ME2. So that message certainly isn't there yet.
SwobyJ wrote... Not exactly the 'message', lol. However, transhumanism is a huge theme in this series. Basically a 'we're all headed towards *something*, technologically, so this matter should be dealt with ASAP' kind of attitude toward technology/transhumanism. Ignoring it and its implications can lead to our downfall (Cerberus failures, Overlord, Reapers, Geth, Krogan/Salarian, etc)
Yeah its not the message, rather just one of the themes. I was coming from the angle that there is an element of danger from using those type of converging technologies, in so far as using them reclessly or for power could possibly lead to a reaperish future. The civilizations of the galaxy could be fighting a vision of their own future in the reapers. Tranhumanist technologies should be used with care and for the right reasons is what I'm saying.
Hope that makes sense, I'm not very articulate lol.
Modifié par wombo87, 21 juin 2011 - 11:04 .
#121
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 11:22
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If you want a theme, I guess one could be self-determination: the right of a people to control their future, and/or the right of a person to control his or her life.
For example, all the species in the galaxy did not create Mass Effect technology -- the Reapers did for their own purposes. Although Mass Relay tech is old, no questions its uses or purposes. Everyone accepts the technology without question: Matriarch Aethyta was laughed out of politics and into an Illium bar after she suggested of creating a Mass Relay alternative. Aliens and humans scavenge the Mass Effect technology riddled all over the galaxy instead of creating their own. Legion also brings this theme up specifically when he says "the Geth build their own future . . . the Geth believe all races should self-determinate."
It's a little premature, however, to accept this as a valid theme. We'll have to wait for Mass Effect 3.
For example, all the species in the galaxy did not create Mass Effect technology -- the Reapers did for their own purposes. Although Mass Relay tech is old, no questions its uses or purposes. Everyone accepts the technology without question: Matriarch Aethyta was laughed out of politics and into an Illium bar after she suggested of creating a Mass Relay alternative. Aliens and humans scavenge the Mass Effect technology riddled all over the galaxy instead of creating their own. Legion also brings this theme up specifically when he says "the Geth build their own future . . . the Geth believe all races should self-determinate."
It's a little premature, however, to accept this as a valid theme. We'll have to wait for Mass Effect 3.
#123
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 12:07
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The message is 'History is a Lie'. Protheans created the Citadel and Mass Relays?! Yeah...right...
