javierabegazo wrote...
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Chris Priestly wrote...
The surest way to promise cutscene cosistancy with weapons, is to offer a very limited number of weapons to choose from. So instead of needing to create 10 versions of the same scene with assasut rifle, pistol, sniper rifle, etc, etc, we just give you pistols. That way, your cutscenes are consistant.
That really what you want?
I suppose we could cut a lot of story and dialog to make room for all teh different weapon based cutscenes. Would that be better?
Chris Priestly wrote...
The surest way to promise cutscene cosistancy with weapons, is to offer a very limited number of weapons to choose from. So instead of needing to create 10 versions of the same scene with assasut rifle, pistol, sniper rifle, etc, etc, we just give you pistols. That way, your cutscenes are consistant.
That really what you want?
I suppose we could cut a lot of story and dialog to make room for all teh different weapon based cutscenes. Would that be better?
Modifié par Demigod, 16 juin 2011 - 07:10 .
Modifié par Omega Torsk, 16 juin 2011 - 07:33 .
Omega Torsk wrote...
Small annoyance and unimportant in the grand scope of things. I'm somewhat in agreement with Priestly, here. Immersion is great, but some things need to just be overlooked. Yeah, seeing your adept using an assault rifle in a cutscene warrants a double-take, but just pretend that he/she grabbed the another weapon (or borrowed a team member's). I would rather Bioware focus on expanding the story elements and providing more choices than focus on re-shooting the same scene 10 times for the sake of consistency with something as small as using the right and currently equipped weapons in a cutscene...
Besides, this won't even be a problem anymore, since Bioware stated in GameInformer that they would be removing weapon-restrictions based on class. Every class can use the same weapon (the only limit would be the amount they can carry).
kaiki01 wrote...
Omega Torsk wrote...
Small annoyance and unimportant in the grand scope of things. I'm somewhat in agreement with Priestly, here. Immersion is great, but some things need to just be overlooked. Yeah, seeing your adept using an assault rifle in a cutscene warrants a double-take, but just pretend that he/she grabbed the another weapon (or borrowed a team member's). I would rather Bioware focus on expanding the story elements and providing more choices than focus on re-shooting the same scene 10 times for the sake of consistency with something as small as using the right and currently equipped weapons in a cutscene...
Besides, this won't even be a problem anymore, since Bioware stated in GameInformer that they would be removing weapon-restrictions based on class. Every class can use the same weapon (the only limit would be the amount they can carry).
1) My problem with weapon consistency is that ME handles armor consistency. And, I am not technically knowledgable enough to forgive why ME can handle armor so well and weapons so poorly.
2) In ME3 we may/probably hit the problem where Shepard will be shown holding a weapon that he did not take on the mission. As I understand it, All Shepards will be able to use ARs, but not carry all the weapon types. So I can imagine a cut scene that starts, Shepard is shooting his AR, the cutscenes transitions into gameplay and your Shepard is holding his Shotgun as he only has that and his pistol. Just a hypothetical example that seems probable.
Omega Torsk wrote...
Small annoyance and unimportant in the grand scope of things. I'm somewhat in agreement with Priestly, here. Immersion is great, but some things need to just be overlooked. Yeah, seeing your adept using an assault rifle in a cutscene warrants a double-take, but just pretend that he/she grabbed the another weapon (or borrowed a team member's). I would rather Bioware focus on expanding the story elements and providing more choices than focus on re-shooting the same scene 10 times for the sake of consistency with something as small as using the right and currently equipped weapons in a cutscene...
Besides, this will barely even be a problem anymore, since Bioware stated in GameInformer that they would be removing weapon-restrictions based on class. Every class can use the same weapon (the only limit would be the amount they can carry).
Dave666 wrote...
Where that argument kinda falls apart though is when you remember that every single class can use a Pistol. The only reason for Shepard to be using an Assault Rifle (which only one class can use by default) in a cutscene rather than a Pistol (which every single class can use) is that an Assault Rifle 'looks cooler'. Rule of Cool anyone?
Had they simply used Pistols in cutscenes I don't think that anyone would have complained. Those who play a Soldier would more than likely have accepted it as a resource thing. Every class has a Pistol and it was easier to use them and it made sense for every class.
Modifié par Il Divo, 16 juin 2011 - 07:41 .
Il Divo wrote...
Dave666 wrote...
Where that argument kinda falls apart though is when you remember that every single class can use a Pistol. The only reason for Shepard to be using an Assault Rifle (which only one class can use by default) in a cutscene rather than a Pistol (which every single class can use) is that an Assault Rifle 'looks cooler'. Rule of Cool anyone?
Had they simply used Pistols in cutscenes I don't think that anyone would have complained. Those who play a Soldier would more than likely have accepted it as a resource thing. Every class has a Pistol and it was easier to use them and it made sense for every class.
I actually have to agree with this. All the encounters with Saren did manage to make using a pistol feel badass, so I don't see why a mandatory switch to Assault Rifles was necessary.
On the other hand, while soldiers might have the 'option' as well, I can see players having complaints about this, especially if they have never so much as fired their pistol in combat. There's always going to be that lore inconsistency to consider.
Tamahome560 wrote...
Just make sure no magical assault rifles spawn on squadmates ... anything else does not bother me.
Chris Priestly wrote...
The surest way to promise cutscene cosistancy with weapons, is to offer a very limited number of weapons to choose from. So instead of needing to create 10 versions of the same scene with assasut rifle, pistol, sniper rifle, etc, etc, we just give you pistols. That way, your cutscenes are consistant.
That really what you want?
I suppose we could cut a lot of story and dialog to make room for all teh different weapon based cutscenes. Would that be better?
He says that it's impossible to use same animation for pistol and riffle. I suppose.Eurhetemec wrote...
So Chris, you're specifically saying that Mass Effect's cutscene technology means that if you use a different model for the weapon, you have to re-do the entire cutscene? Despite the cut-scene not being pre-rendered, but using in-engine rendering.
Conard's nose would have to agree.Wizz wrote...
He says that it's impossible to use same animation for pistol and riffle. I suppose.Eurhetemec wrote...
So Chris, you're specifically saying that Mass Effect's cutscene technology means that if you use a different model for the weapon, you have to re-do the entire cutscene? Despite the cut-scene not being pre-rendered, but using in-engine rendering.
Wizz wrote...
He says that it's impossible to use same animation for pistol and riffle. I suppose.Eurhetemec wrote...
So Chris, you're specifically saying that Mass Effect's cutscene technology means that if you use a different model for the weapon, you have to re-do the entire cutscene? Despite the cut-scene not being pre-rendered, but using in-engine rendering.
Modifié par Eurhetemec, 16 juin 2011 - 08:41 .
Good question? What's the differece between those?javierabegazo wrote...
Why Can't the cutscenes track weapons like it does Appearances?Chris Priestly wrote...
The surest way to promise cutscene cosistancy with weapons, is to offer a very limited number of weapons to choose from. So instead of needing to create 10 versions of the same scene with assasut rifle, pistol, sniper rifle, etc, etc, we just give you pistols. That way, your cutscenes are consistant.
That really what you want?
I suppose we could cut a lot of story and dialog to make room for all teh different weapon based cutscenes. Would that be better?
Modifié par Lumikki, 16 juin 2011 - 09:27 .
Eurhetemec wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
The surest way to promise cutscene cosistancy with weapons, is to offer a very limited number of weapons to choose from. So instead of needing to create 10 versions of the same scene with assasut rifle, pistol, sniper rifle, etc, etc, we just give you pistols. That way, your cutscenes are consistant.
That really what you want?
I suppose we could cut a lot of story and dialog to make room for all teh different weapon based cutscenes. Would that be better?
So Chris, you're specifically saying that Mass Effect's cutscene technology means that if you use a different model for the weapon, you have to re-do the entire cutscene? Despite the cut-scene not being pre-rendered, but using in-engine rendering.
Really? Because in that case, it seems like your cutscene technology is severely outdated, given that other games have been able to do what you're saying is extremely difficult (simply replacing the weapon model) for over a decade. You absolutely should not need to re-animate or re-build an entire cutscene because of a weapon change. In fact, isn't DA2's engine capable of simply replacing weapons in cutscenes? I'm pretty sure that it is. So why isn't that of Mass Effect?
If you're saying "Should Shepard only use pistols in cutscenes?" well, yes, that'd be much better than Shepard randomly having a low-end assault rifle when your class can't even use them.
If you're saying "Lol maybe we should take all the guns out of the game and only leave u with pistols?!", as it appears you are, then that makes absolutely zero sense as an argument. All you have to is limit the weapon show in a cutscene to pistols.
onelifecrisis wrote...
On a related note, it'd be nice if BW would turn down the cutscene powers to something slightly less ridiculous. Jack can't take on a single Vorcha alone, let alone four heavy YMIR mechs.
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