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[dragonflight288]

That makes sense. I grew up seeing people selflessly helping others, expecting nothing in return. Never bragged about it, nor accepted praise. They even turned down offers of payment. They just wanted to help.

It wasn't just a one-time experience. I saw it multiple times growing up. Charity, hard-working, love of the family and a healthy respect for people's opinions that although disagreements may occur, at the end of the day it's all cool and we can go back to minding our own business.

Back on topic....

I suppose the developers did kind of want us to side with the mages because they did say they were surprised how many gamers sided with the mages in Origins. To that I say, you should've given us negative consequences to helping the mages out. Say having one of them randomly turn into an abomination in the battle of Denerim so we have to fight not only the darkspawn but our own ally.

[Darkrider296]

Torax wrote...

why is Wynne wrong? Because she isn't an lib like Uldred and thinks the Chantry is right in some aspects and wrong in others. She doesn't follow the Chantry to the letter. She is far more neutral in that aspect but she draws the line at some things including demons, blood magic and general evil stuff. Wynne is basically the Dragon Age version of Jolee Bindo. If you don't like her because she doesn't support the likes of Anders? Fine but don't then try to act like everything she states in invalid just because it's at times opposed to your own views or opinions.

The irony that I would even have to type that is the fact that because she was written by the writers and was voiced by an actor. She will ALWAYS be more right than you in regards to the context of the World she exists within. Her opinion will be more valid than your's which is based on your own preconceptions that have NOTHING to do with the her World and how it has shaped her. You can try and dance the issue of the Writers and their opinions but it's just a dance and avoids the fact that Wynne is right to her beliefs and you are wrong to attempt to invalidate it if it doesn't support your case. She lives there and even witnessed Uldred's deprave actions with blood magic. You did not. You sat at your computer playing the facade of defending the innocent mages. Wynne has done this longer than likely your entire life span.

Your opinion is just your own and not a state of fact. A codex is an opinion yes it is like Wynne's is just an opinion. But you attempting to invalidate one over the other? No, you do not get to. I'd also take the opinion of an experienced Senior Enchanter over the whiney angsty ****** that I knife every time at the end of each DA2 game. The irony of all this, Wynne is a reasonable person. Anders more like some of the posters here are not reasonable. They only want to argue/fight the issues of Templar vs. Mage while making one side evil and the other not. Wynne seemed more on the side of most of the senior enchanters. They see that the Chantry is wrong in some ways but so are many in the circle. Libs refuse to reason. Just like anyone now who would only make villains of the Chantry cause they are opposed to Blood Magic with many good reasons to do so.

I've openly said that I think Blood Magic is just a tool that can be used for good or evil. The catch 22 of it is that I would at the same time openly admit that I think the cons of blood magic far outweigh the pros. But I guess that makes me a bad guy for thinking mages should avoid it at all costs. While I also stay clear of the chantry when I can for the same reason. Cons outweigh the pros on both sides to me. Guess there is a little Jolee in me to.

Any mage that is not disgusted to the idea of Tranqulity on principle is not worth respecting

[Darkrider296]

A peace that involves subjugation is not worth keeping. As a proud resolutionist I say let global war take over Thedas until one side is left siding. The traditionalists or the ones who propose reform and changes to Thedas society. No more Cirlces or Alienages, WARFARE IS WHAT MUST PLAGUE THE STREETS. THE STREETS WILL RUN RED WITH BLOOD UNTIL RESOLUTION IS FOUND. FOR FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This actually how I think in real life. When peace is maintained through tyranny then its a peace not worth keeping.

[Darkrider296]

And eventually through this global warfare a true peace of some kind will emerge. It always does with its foundations being built on those who gave their lives. That's what slightly pisses me off about those who oppose war in the game. Their so caught up in maintaining the day to day affairs of their **** hole of a city that they fail to see that warfare is the only thing that will confront many of the social problems that plague Thedas's inhabitants.

[Five1thOUsanD]

It was a no-brainer for me, but then again I was a mage and was being told the whole time: "The templars are bad people that want to kill you."

[Always Alice]

I don't think the game developers wanted us to side with the templars. If anything, I got the opposite impression--Meredith is depicted as a shrill, insane tyrant, and abuse and corruption runs rampant in Kirkwall's circle. Not to mention the fact that Hawke was raised in a apostate family. Then, of course, there's the fact that Meredith invokes an unjust Right of Annullment for the actions of one mage who isn't even a part of the Circle.

If Bioware wanted to make the mage and templar sides seem balanced, they failed miserably. I get the impression that halfway through the development process they thought, "hmmm, there goes our moral ambiguity. Maybe if we make every mage seem cartoonishly evil we can make the situation seem grey!" Instead of, y'know, presenting both sides as reasonable (why couldn't they have made Meredith less psycho in the first place?). In Kirkwall, you see two extremes, when the situation should be a lot more complex than "templars=sadistic jailors" and "mages=power-hungry lunatics."

[Darkrider296]

Meredith was made psycho to reflect the horrifying consequences of what religious authority does to the human psyche. My GOD TOLD ME TO DO IT SO IT HAS TO BE RITE (pun intended lol)

[Always Alice]

Darkrider296 wrote...

Meredith was made psycho to reflect the horrifying consequences of what religious authority does to the human psyche. My GOD TOLD ME TO DO IT SO IT HAS TO BE RITE (pun intended lol)

What makes that a bit ironic is that nowhere in the Chant does it say mages need to be locked up. Magic is described as being a gift, after all.

Anyway, I  would argue that Meredith's attitude towards mages is rooted more in personal exerience and paranoia than in the Chant.