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[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote..


Because DA2 makes no sense.

Alternatively, the veil was so thin, it makes sensing them harder.
And Morrigan was trained by Flemeth.

The Undgeround was in origins. 

There's nothing to suggest Templars can sense MAGES they might be able to sense residue from magic spells recently used. But there's nothing to suggest they can sense mages. The Chantry isn't so stupid as to have such an ace and not use it to crush all apostates. 

There is nothing to suggest that the mage collective representatives are mages themselves.

And when I am saying "Sense", I do not mean professor X style of being able to locate all mages within the vacinity of 10 miles or whatever. Just up close.

Templars in DA:O can sense mages, and even a blind one, when up close. I highly doubt a circle mage has a different walk than any other kind of person.

[LobselVith8]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
[/i]Mages are an ethnic group. The definition of an ethnic group is as follows:

An ethnic group is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage

 

Huh. I guess that CM in origins who was talking about his elven heritage was doing something wrong eh?

What common heritage do the mages have? I've asked for this and I have yet to get one.  

I believe Ethereal is talking about how some mages refer to mages in general as their people - i.e. Circle Bethany towards the end of Act III.

Ryzaki wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Morrigan mayhave learned sure. Maybe Merrill did too. But you're honestly saying all those apostates (remember theirs mage underground people right next to chantries (Denerim) and right across from the Circle Tower andthese magic sense templars don't notice them?  

You underestimate how stupid people in Kirkwall are.

 

I'm talking about Fereldan not Kirkwall. 

One of the templars (who isn't named) mentions how Morrigan looks "odd" to him, and she tells him to look elsewhere. Bethany even notes that she knew who the templars were so she could avoid them when she was in Lothering.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
It had to be the CM's mannerisms and way of speaking. Why wouldn't that be the case when the CM grew up in the circle and had been their since they were about 6?

Then why is Anders not noticeable to them?

Because DA2 makes no sense. Hell, you can even tell them taht he is plotting against the Chantry and they don't give a ****.

Anders *is* noticed by them! He says it himself! Cullen says it! They don't arrest him because he was a grey warden. 

In DA2, he is no longer a Grey Warden.

[EmperorSahlertz]

They don't seem to so much "sense" a mage, as much as they seem to notice their difference from the crowd. If I'm not mistaken Ser Otto can also "sense" if a warrior Warden picked the Templar spec.

[LobselVith8]

kaiki01 wrote...

That had less to do with Otto being a templar then with him fitting the blind prophet archtype, who may have lost his eyesight but can see more then others. This is back by all the other encounters mage PCs can have with Templars throughout DA:O and they do not sense the PC is a mage. It is only Otto.

I was talking about Ser Bryant (in Lothering) noticing that the mage protagonist was a mage (when the topic of the Circle of Ferelden is brought up), while Otto was able to "sense" things were wrong in the Alienage.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

There is nothing to suggest that the mage collective representatives are mages themselves.

The representatives of the Collective aren't mages; if you threaten to turn them in to the Chantry, they state they aren't mages themselves.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
There is nothing to suggest that the mage collective representatives are mages themselves.

And when I am saying "Sense", I do not mean professor X style of being able to locate all mages within the vacinity of 10 miles or whatever. Just up close.

Templars in DA:O can sense mages, and even a blind one, when up close. I highly doubt a circle mage has a different walk than any other kind of person.

You started talking with them. People from different parts of town talk in different tones, have subtle differences in body language. Noticing that is simply good instincts. 

No actually they can't. Only Bryant and Otto notice the Warden's a mage (other than obviously the templars who would know the Warden in the first place  ) Bryant's made of distilled awesome and Otto is the blind prophet. 
  

[Ryzaki]

LobselVith8 wrote...
One of the templars (who isn't named) mentions how Morrigan looks "odd" to him, and she tells him to look elsewhere. Bethany even notes that she knew who the templars were so she could avoid them when she was in Lothering.

She's wearing rags. Of course she looks odd. (the game for some reason pretends everyone's wearing their default outfits when people comment on it). Her body language and demeanor would also be outside the norm. 

Bethany is the shy type. There could be more reasons than just the templars sensing her. She probably doesn't want to draw their curiosty. 

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

In DA2, he is no longer a Grey Warden.

Yet no one acts on it. Probably due to plot stupidity. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juin 2011 - 06:12 .

[Deztyn]

In the Alienage the veil was torn. There were demons about. I don't think Otto's ability to sense something off in that circumstance is an indication that any templar would be able to sense latent magic in a person. Maybe an exceptionally powerful mage would be noticed by an exceptionally perceptive templar. But it doesn't seem like the norm.

Modifié par Deztyn, 16 juin 2011 - 06:15 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
Yet no one acts on it. Probably due to plot stupidity. 

Because it's laughable and I don't know why I am even arguing this point anymore.

[LobselVith8]

Ryzaki wrote...

Bryant's made of distilled awesome and Otto is the blind prophet. 

I refuse to believe Bryant abandoned the people of Lothering or allowed his men to do so. He would have fought the darkspawn to his last breath. And Otto is kicking the s**t out of demons in the Fade.

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

In DA2, he is no longer a Grey Warden.

Yet no one acts on it. Probably due to plot stupidity. 

Either Cullen still thinks Anders is a Grey Warden because the two of them are from Ferelden... or it's another case of everyone in Kirkwall being a complete idiot.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I still headdesk at that "yo Cullen! Anders plotting something against the Chantry!"

"Really? Huh...I'll get back to you on that."

"Okay dude. Sorry to waste your time."

"No problem."

Who the hell wrote that scene with a straight face? That has to be the most obvious troll ever.

[Deztyn]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Cullen still thinks Anders is a Grey Warden because the two of them are from Ferelden...

This is what I always assumed. No need to blame PIS when there's a perfectly logical explanation. Cullen just didn't get the memo that Anders had abandoned the order.

Modifié par Deztyn, 16 juin 2011 - 06:18 .

[TEWR]

GAH!!!!!!! I'm really starting to f*cking hate the BSN now for constantly logging me out! Are they ever going to fix that? Or do we have to constantly deal with it?



*Sigh* at any rate..... Ryzaki here:


 Cultural heritage is the legacy of physical artifacts and intangible attributes of a group or society that are inherited from past generations, maintained in the present and bestowed for the benefit of future generations. Cultural heritage includes tangible culture (such as buildings, monuments, landscapes, books, works of art, and artifacts), intangible culture (such as folklore, traditions, language, and knowledge), and natural heritage (including culturally-significant landscapes, and biodiversity).

[KnightofPhoenix]

Deztyn wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Cullen still thinks Anders is a Grey Warden because the two of them are from Ferelden...

This is what I always assumed. No need to blame PIS when there's a perfectly logical explanation. Cullen just didn't get the memo that Anders had abandoned the order.

Remember that he's the same man who you can unleash magic in front of, and he'd still not notice.

Cullen and all Templars being complete and utter morons is a perfectly logical epxlanation.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 16 juin 2011 - 06:21 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Now you are mxing gameplay and lore.

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

GAH!!!!!!! I'm really starting to f*cking hate the BSN now for constantly logging me out! Are they ever going to fix that? Or do we have to constantly deal with it?



*Sigh* at any rate..... Ryzaki here:


 Cultural heritage is the legacy of physical artifacts and intangible attributes of a group or society that are inherited from past generations, maintained in the present and bestowed for the benefit of future generations. Cultural heritage includes tangible culture (such as buildings, monuments, landscapes, books, works of art, and artifacts), intangible culture (such as folklore, traditions, language, and knowledge), and natural heritage (including culturally-significant landscapes, and biodiversity).

 

Edit: NVM. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juin 2011 - 06:29 .

[LobselVith8]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Cullen still thinks Anders is a Grey Warden because the two of them are from Ferelden...

This is what I always assumed. No need to blame PIS when there's a perfectly logical explanation. Cullen just didn't get the memo that Anders had abandoned the order.

Remember that he's the same man who you can unleash magic in front of, and he'd still not notice.

Cullen and all Templars being complete and utter morons is a perfectly logical epxlanation.

I guess the "Band of Three" was really about Tevinter turning Kirkwall into a mecca for morons, then.

[Ryzaki]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

GAH!!!!!!! I'm really starting to f*cking hate the BSN now for constantly logging me out! Are they ever going to fix that? Or do we have to constantly deal with it?

Is it that much of a problem? Every time it happens to me, I refresh the page and I'm logged back in again. That doesn't work for you?

The post itself is lost. Which is a pain inthe ass when dealing with walls of text. 

ARGH NOW IT'S HAPPENING TO ME TOO. 

[IanPolaris]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

There is nothing to suggest that the mage collective representatives are mages themselves.

As a matter of fact we are told in DAO, that they are not.  If you threaten to expose the Mage's Collective Rep to the Templar, he explains why that wouldn't do any good starting with the fact that he and his fellow reps are hired in part because they are NOT mages and thus not subject to the Templars.

-Polaris

[Ryzaki]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...



The post itself is lost. Which is a pain inthe ass when dealing with walls of text. 

ARGH NOW IT'S HAPPENING TO ME TOO. 

Just highlight the text and copy it. Or rather, press Ctrl + C, since the forum is a snob about it. And then paste it back into your new post after you refresh.

That's not so simple when you don't think about it (plus it's plain annoying to do it everytime). 

[TEWR]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

GAH!!!!!!! I'm really starting to f*cking hate the BSN now for constantly logging me out! Are they ever going to fix that? Or do we have to constantly deal with it?



*Sigh* at any rate..... Ryzaki here:


 Cultural heritage is the legacy of physical artifacts and intangible attributes of a group or society that are inherited from past generations, maintained in the present and bestowed for the benefit of future generations. Cultural heritage includes tangible culture (such as buildings, monuments, landscapes, books, works of art, and artifacts), intangible culture (such as folklore, traditions, language, and knowledge), and natural heritage (including culturally-significant landscapes, and biodiversity).

 

...Yeah still not seeing how that's unique to all mages in Thedas but no one else. The Chantry system isn't "inherited." a mage's baby gets sent to the Chantry, if it's a mage it gets booted to another Circle, if it's not it gets shoved into the Chantry or leaves when it's old enough (or maybe it's given to a relative of the mage. I dunno).The attribute is only inherited from past generations if one's a mage. One's parents don't need to be mages for the baby to go the the circle and one's parent *can* be a mage and they never go into a circle.

Mages themselves are all a group. What they inherit from past generations they pass on in the future after training it in the present. That's why the Tevinter Imperium made geneologies of every family that would produce a mage (source: Dagna). Isolde and Eamon weren't mages, but Isolde's family bloodline carried magic in their blood.


@Queen-of-Stuff: No it doesn't. And what's worse is that it's been happening more frequently lately to me. Before I could be signed in for 3 weeks before I had to sign in again, and I was good for another 3 weeks. Now I'm lucky if I stay signed in for a day.

[IanPolaris]

Ryzaki wrote...

 Cultural heritage is the legacy of physical artifacts and intangible attributes of a group or society that are inherited from past generations, maintained in the present and bestowed for the benefit of future generations. Cultural heritage includes tangible culture (such as buildings, monuments, landscapes, books, works of art, and artifacts), intangible culture (such as folklore, traditions, language, and knowledge), and natural heritage (including culturally-significant landscapes, and biodiversity).

 

...Yeah still not seeing how that's unique to all mages in Thedas but no one else. The Chantry system isn't "inherited." a mage's baby gets sent to the Chantry, if it's a mage it gets booted to another Circle, if it's not it gets shoved into the Chantry or leaves when it's old enough (or maybe it's given to a relative of the mage. I dunno).The attribute is only inherited from past generations if one's a mage. One's parents don't need to be mages for the baby to go the the circle and one's parent *can* be a mage and they never go into a circle.

Being a mage is an inherited trait, and mages self-idenfify by the full expression of the trait and others identify mages as a seperate group because of it as well.  Tevinter did a long and extremely thorough study of all known human bloodlines and pretty much proved that magical ability was in fact an inherited traid albeit one that is highly recessive.

-Polaris

Modifié par IanPolaris, 16 juin 2011 - 06:31 .

[Playest]

Persephone
wrote...

Playest wrote...

And that accomplishes what? Do you honestly believe that which side you come
down on will affect the outcome of the conflict?

 

Yes, I honestly believe that.

So you think that Bioware will maintain 2 universes one where the Templars win
and one where the mages do?





 

Modifié par Playest, 16 juin 2011 - 06:32 .