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[Cheesy Blue]

Through all the interviews that we've seen, the devs have always said that ME3 is going to be the best place for a new player to start in the trilogy. I know the devs have to say that do to marketing, but is the end of the trilogy really the best place to start?
 
For me, I didn't watch Return of the Jedi first. So why would I play ME3 first over playing ME1 or even ME2. We all know that ME3 will be the absolute climax of everything we have done in the Mass Effect trilogy. But if you're a new player wouldn't that kind of take away from the game being special, considering that you had no build up to the events of ME3 whatsoever.

I'm just saying that if you are a new player maybe you should go back and at least play ME2.
 

Modifié par Cheesy Blue, 15 juin 2011 - 04:55 .

[javierabegazo]

Do you really think PR is going to tell people who've never heard of Mass Effect that they have to slug in 50 to 80 hours of their time on the first two games just so they can play ME3?

[Warkupo]

ME3 is supposed to have the best combat, story, graphics, character development, etc. So yes, if you want the best game, and you're just starting, ME3 is the logical choice.

[Wulfram]

"The best place" is a silly thing to say. "A great place" would make sense and might actually be true.

[Chris Priestly]

So Casey is in the PR team now? I will let him know.

Me, I think the Project Director's word can pretty much taken to be true.

[Warkupo]

Wulfram wrote...

"The best place" is a silly thing to say. "A great place" would make sense and might actually be true.

Opinions cannot be true. 

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

My friend picked up ME2 because I wouldn't stop talking about it. She liked it so hit Impulse and bought ME1. The same thing will happen with ME3.

[Village_Idiot]

javierabegazo wrote...

Do you really think PR is going to tell people who've never heard of Mass Effect that they have to slug in 50 to 80 hours of their time on the first two games just so they can play ME3?

Agreed. You're hardly goin to tell potential customers to trawl their way through the first two games (not to mention all the DLC and expanded universe content like books) just so they can have the "optimum" ME3 experience.

[Beerfish]

Warkupo wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

"The best place" is a silly thing to say. "A great place" would make sense and might actually be true.

Opinions cannot be true. 

You wouldn't know it from a lot of fans on these forums that is for sure.

One thing that seems strange to me regarding this multiple game series is why they never come our right off the bat with a Diamond edition that included both previous games and the last one.  You often see these things down the road or years later but why not have all three games in one package to start?  (I can see people gifting the whole series to friends or relatives.)

[ME_Fan]

It isn't, they're talking bull. They said exactly the same about DA2, it's to stop people being put off. If they didn't say that, potential customers would be intimidated by the huge game world and not bother. I know a guy who played DA2 without playing Origins and he didn't have a clue what was going on. He then played Origins and better understood the world and story much more.

Modifié par ME_Fan, 15 juin 2011 - 05:30 .

[Warkupo]

Beerfish wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

"The best place" is a silly thing to say. "A great place" would make sense and might actually be true.

Opinions cannot be true. 

You wouldn't know it from a lot of fans on these forums that is for sure.

One thing that seems strange to me regarding this multiple game series is why they never come our right off the bat with a Diamond edition that included both previous games and the last one.  You often see these things down the road or years later but why not have all three games in one package to start?  (I can see people gifting the whole series to friends or relatives.)

The trend seems to be to charge more for each individual title, and then at a later date come out with a 'diamond edition' which sells all three for a slightly lower price in order to wrangle in the straggelers. This way you make the most profit possible. 

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So Casey is in the PR team now? I will let him know.

Me, I think the Project Director's word can pretty much taken to be true.

Nicely said. By the way, say hi to Mr.Hundson and tell him that ME3 will be epic. 
I'm not fanboy, but ME series is one of my favourite so /flameshield on

[Cheesy Blue]

javierabegazo wrote...

Do you really think PR is going to tell people who've never heard of Mass Effect that they have to slug in 50 to 80 hours of their time on the first two games just so they can play ME3?

I'm just worried they might be deceiving new players a little bit with ME3 truly being the best place to start. Besides, if more ME2 copies were sold on top of people buying ME3 EA would just make more money.

[onelifecrisis]

Warkupo wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

"The best place" is a silly thing to say. "A great place" would make sense and might actually be true.

Opinions cannot be true. 

All opinions are true.

[Warkupo]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

"The best place" is a silly thing to say. "A great place" would make sense and might actually be true.

Opinions cannot be true. 

All opinions are true.

All opinions are false. 

[Wulfram]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Do you really think PR is going to tell people who've never heard of Mass Effect that they have to slug in 50 to 80 hours of their time on the first two games just so they can play ME3?

Agreed. You're hardly goin to tell potential customers to trawl their way through the first two games (not to mention all the DLC and expanded universe content like books) just so they can have the "optimum" ME3 experience.

Implying that playing your previous games is a bad thing, which is what "best place to start" does, is a pretty bizarre thing to do, however.

[Slayer299]

The whole line about ME3 being the best place to start the game is just marketing nonsense. It makes it sound as if ME and ME2 weren't necessary since ME3 will explain everything to you.

I understand BW/EA wants the most new people possible to buy the game, but the tag "ME3 is the best place to start" is just hyperbole, nothing less.

[javierabegazo]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So Casey is in the PR team now? I will let him know.

Me, I think the Project Director's word can pretty much taken to be true.

I think what most of us are referring to in this is that a lot of hard core fans of Mass Effect, wouldn't really advise anyone looking to enjoy the full Mass Effect experience by starting in the end. It's like reading a book, and skipping to the last chapter, and seeing an ending with a conclusion around characters you're really not that connected to because you've not invested the time to get to know and see develop.

[Rivercurse]

Well I guess you can't expect Priestly to openly contradict casey on this in public, but everyone on this forum reading it knows it's a lie I'm afraid.

[Repearized Miranda]

While it is clearly a PR stunt, I doubt there's any need to say: "Play the first two" since if you didn't use imports; there will already be some sort of pre-fabricated backstory.

Example when Jacob and Miranda quiz you while on the way to Freedom's Progress ... if you used a transfer, they will ask the appropriate questions to which you will answer appropriately. If you don't use the transfer, you'll get the pre-fabricated variety (I've got two characters. I finished one without the import and I'm starting one with the import and will probably import both to ME3.

Odds are players are going to want to "backtrack", so, there's no need to say such. Some folks do read books backwards you know and when telling stories, most of the time, people backtrack. Common sense should tell you that if you've seen how something ended, you wanna see how it began.

(I was a little repeative in the somewhere. I apologize)

[Cheesy Blue]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

PR stunt to attract more gamers. Nothing else.

Kinda harsh. I understand what BW is saying with the combat so much improved, and the set pieces being epic and massive ME3 is a good place to start. I just don't want completely ignorant gamers to miss out or be disappointed because a PR told them new players can be completely unaware of the previous games events.

[Hathur]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So Casey is in the PR team now? I will let him know.

Me, I think the Project Director's word can pretty much taken to be true.

Oh come now, Chris.. that's a tad wee bit naive, no? As much as I appreciate and love all the work Hudson does by offering feedback to the community, I also know when he's just a human being who's interest (rightly so) is to promote and sell what he's making... be he in marketing or not... he's the project director, of course he's going to say only things that encourage people to buy the product he is working so very hard on.

What's the alternative? For him to say: "No. I don't think you'll have nearly as good an experience if you haven't played ME1 & ME2... ME3 is certainly playable and fun without having played those 2, but you'll be missing out a lot... I suggest you play ME1 & ME2 before buying ME3."  .... he most assuredly would not say that.. he'd be insane to do so... afterall he wants to and has to sell his new game (and should).... he doesn't want to risk discouraging ANYONE away from ME3 if they're new to the series, so he has no option but to say "ME3 is the BEST place to start".

What realistic alternative is there?

I'd do the bloody same thing in my own business - so would 100% of anyone who was in the business of selling a product... it's insane to say or do otherwise.

ME2 was a solid game on its own... but I have several friends who played it without playing ME1... and they often felt lost & confused by various events and characters in ME2.... until they eventually bought ME1... then they told me how much they wished they played it first or were simply glad they played it as it helped them understand the context of various NPCs and events in ME2.

Modifié par Hathur, 15 juin 2011 - 05:04 .

[shumworld]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

My friend picked up ME2 because I wouldn't stop talking about it. She liked it so hit Impulse and bought ME1. The same thing will happen with ME3.

I can totaly see that happening.

How new players play the game is no business of mine. The game experience that matters to me more than any other is my own.

Modifié par shumworld, 15 juin 2011 - 05:04 .

[DocLasty]

"Implying that playing your previous games is a bad thing, which is what "best place to start" does, is a pretty bizarre thing to do, however." 

Personally, I don't ook at it that way.

Money's tight these day. Most people buy a videogame once every two months or so, somewhere around that. Bioware already has most longtime fans locked, but there's always going to be a substantial group that are looking to start up Mass Effect for the first time. Now, with movies, getting caught up is no big deal. Catching up on Return of the Jedi just means watching four hours or so of movies. Lazy afternoon. Getting caught up on Mass Effect 3, however, could take weeks by playing the games. It's a serious investment in time, one not everyone is willing or even capable of making. The three hurts it in the first-timer market.

So, yeah, you want to push the game as something that first-timers can get on with #3 and not feel like they have to buy and play the first two games first. And if ME3 really hooks them, they'll probably go back and play the other 2 just to keep the experience alive.