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[javierabegazo]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

PR stunt to attract more gamers. Nothing else.

Kinda harsh. I understand what BW is saying with the combat so much improved, and the set pieces being epic and massive ME3 is a good place to start. I just don't want completely ignorant gamers to miss out or be disappointed because a PR told them new players can be completely unaware of the previous games events.

I really hope a lot of more people come to experience Mass Effect, but I don't think the conclusions to ME3 will be as meaningful if you've followed them across 3 games, across all the bugs, and hard battles, and humour.

[Robhuzz]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

While it is clearly a PR stunt, I doubt there's any need to say: "Play the first two" since if you didn't use imports; there will already be some sort of pre-fabricated backstory.

Example when Jacob and Miranda quiz you while on the way to Freedom's Progress ... if you used a transfer, they will ask the appropriate questions to which you will answer appropriately. If you don't use the transfer, you'll get the pre-fabricated variety (I've got two characters. I finished one without the import and I'm starting one with the import and will probably import both to ME3.

Odds are players are going to want to "backtrack", so, there's no need to say such. Some folks do read books backwards you know and when telling stories, most of the time, people backtrack. Common sense should tell you that if you've seen how something ended, you wanna see how it began.

(I was a little repeative in the somewhere. I apologize)

You're right about the choices and stuff but you won't get any proper introduction to the lore of the game. So when you start with ME3 you'll hear a bunch of things, like Citadel, Council, Asari, Salarians and so on, new people won't know what it is unless they read the entire codex. I think, like pretty much everyone said, in order for people to properly enjoy ME3 they'll also need to play ME1 and 2.

[Waltzingbear]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So Casey is in the PR team now? I will let him know.

Me, I think the Project Director's word can pretty much taken to be true.

If he's publically presenting and talking about the game in an event that big, one of his main activities is good PR.
I think you should teach the man your 'PR team' secret handshake, if you haven't already.

:devil:

On topic- if this 'new player' has half a brain I think he'd want to start the story from the start even though Casey said otherwise. Nice to see you care enough to be concerned about this.

[Kronner]

Obviously it isn't. But what else can CHud and co say?

[Slayer299]

You're right, there isn't a reason to tell new players they have to go back and buy/play ME first before getting/playing ME3. But it is a gross exaggeration to say that starting at the end of a series is better than backtracking before to say...ME2? I'd think getting *more* sales of ME2 and that would obviously lead to ME3 and hopefully ME would be better.

Lastly, it's the tag of "the best place to begin" that I know I have issue with since it implies ME/ME2 were irrelevant.

[javierabegazo]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

While it is clearly a PR stunt, I doubt there's any need to say: "Play the first two" since if you didn't use imports; there will already be some sort of pre-fabricated backstory.

They're still making the interactive comic to set some of the major events for ME3, just like they did for the PS3's ME2, and later on as DLC for Xbox. but regardless, the comic [understandably] over looks a TON of the side content, like all the UNC missions, and Major Kyle, and Gianna Parasini.

[javierabegazo]

Slayer299 wrote...



Lastly, it's the tag of "the best place to begin" that I know I have issue with since it implies ME/ME2 were irrelevant.

Oh, don't take it like that. It has nothing to do with "Relevance", it has to do with "Will I be able to enjoy X at all if I don't slug through Y?"

[Chuvvy]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So Casey is in the PR team now? I will let him know.

Me, I think the Project Director's word can pretty much taken to be true.

Hudson is the face of the ME team he's basically PR. (arguably one of the faces of the gaming industry) And I don't think you have to be in PR to know it's a bad idea to say. "There's this new game we have coming out, and if you start from this point you won't have a clue what's going on. Honestly if you want to even remotely grasp what's happening you need to play all the games, read all the books and comics, and spend at least 48 hours on the forums and reading up on lore." That being said, it doesn't take a genius to know that ME3 won't alienate new players.

[Sparrow44]

Waltzingbear wrote...

On topic- if this 'new player' has half a brain I think he'd want to start the story from the start even though Casey said otherwise. Nice to see you care enough to be concerned about this.

It does say a lot when this 'new player' of sorts has never been interested to play the first two games and yet BW feel obliged to design this game for them just as much as they are the for the hardcore fans.

Plus I remember the interviews for ME2 where Casey and co. also pretty much said that "2 will be a great entry point" so I find it funny that they're basically repeating the same stuff in regards to marketing ME3.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm pretty sure the same was said of ME2 back in the day.

[shumworld]

To encourage new players I can see BW release a Ultimate ME2 edition sometime near ME3 release. Like they did with Dragon Age. I mean DA2 owners can get ME2 for free.

[Chuvvy]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I'm pretty sure the same was said of ME2 back in the day.

It was. And it'll be said about the next game in the ME universe.

[Bozorgmehr]

It's always best to start at the beginning.

[Cheesy Blue]

javierabegazo wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...



Lastly, it's the tag of "the best place to begin" that I know I have issue with since it implies ME/ME2 were irrelevant.

Oh, don't take it like that. It has nothing to do with "Relevance", it has to do with "Will I be able to enjoy X at all if I don't slug through Y?"

Yeah, but with the way they've been talking about it. They are kinda making it sound like the first two games are irrelevant. 

[Dark Star]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...



Lastly, it's the tag of "the best place to begin" that I know I have issue with since it implies ME/ME2 were irrelevant.

Oh, don't take it like that. It has nothing to do with "Relevance", it has to do with "Will I be able to enjoy X at all if I don't slug through Y?"

Yeah, but with the way they've been talking about it. They are kinda making it sound like the first two games are irrelevant. 

I agree with you to a certain extent that they do give the impression that the first two games are irrelevant.  However, it is fairly well known that all the decisions from the first two games carry over, and I think they are trying to tell new customers that it isn't completely necessary to input 80 hours into the first two games just to ensure they get the fullest experience in ME3.

[javierabegazo]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...



Lastly, it's the tag of "the best place to begin" that I know I have issue with since it implies ME/ME2 were irrelevant.

Oh, don't take it like that. It has nothing to do with "Relevance", it has to do with "Will I be able to enjoy X at all if I don't slug through Y?"

Yeah, but with the way they've been talking about it. They are kinda making it sound like the first two games are irrelevant. 

No, that's just the way it sounds like to us, we who have spent atleast more than 100 hours of our life, whether on the forums, on the game, or on the lore, and lots of money on their products, we who are atleast it's fair to say a bit invested in the series as a whole tangilble world sometimes take such a small statement.

[Cheesy Blue]

javierabegazo wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...



Lastly, it's the tag of "the best place to begin" that I know I have issue with since it implies ME/ME2 were irrelevant.

Oh, don't take it like that. It has nothing to do with "Relevance", it has to do with "Will I be able to enjoy X at all if I don't slug through Y?"

Yeah, but with the way they've been talking about it. They are kinda making it sound like the first two games are irrelevant. 

No, that's just the way it sounds like to us, we who have spent atleast more than 100 hours of our life, whether on the forums, on the game, or on the lore, and lots of money on their products, we who are atleast it's fair to say a bit invested in the series as a whole tangilble world sometimes take such a small statement.

All right, point taken. I'll shut up now.

[KainrycKarr]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So Casey is in the PR team now? I will let him know.

Me, I think the Project Director's word can pretty much taken to be true.

Oh come on, how can ANYONE possibly think the END of trilogy is the best place to start to the trilogy?

Gameplay wise, maybe, but story? Come on. You can't possibly believe that garbage. lol

[Vena_86]

Well, if you don't give a damn about story and characters then sure start at the finally!
Best game or not, it is always a bad a idea to start a story driven trilogy at the end. Throughout the history of Mass Effect Casey H. has let loose many typical PR lines that do not represent reality.

[Whatever42]

javierabegazo wrote...

No, that's just the way it sounds like to us, we who have spent atleast more than 100 hours of our life, whether on the forums, on the game, or on the lore, and lots of money on their products, we who are atleast it's fair to say a bit invested in the series as a whole tangilble world sometimes take such a small statement.

It'd kind of like being in freshly in love; the smallest slight from your signicant other can arouse strong feels of jealousy or insecurity. 

[CaolIla]

javierabegazo wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...



Lastly, it's the tag of "the best place to begin" that I know I have issue with since it implies ME/ME2 were irrelevant.

Oh, don't take it like that. It has nothing to do with "Relevance", it has to do with "Will I be able to enjoy X at all if I don't slug through Y?"

So he thinks potential customers are stupid? To my knowledge there has never been a game that was not understandable/enjoyable if you haven't played the prequel(s) because you haven't played the prequel.
If they were not enjoyable/understandable than because they simply sucked.

So assuming a customer would think "Dääh, I don't know if I can enjoy that" is like assuming he is crazy or stupid, because the customer would have no basis for that assumption since it never happened before to my knowledge.

I was kind of annoyed of those statements because i felt like every second sentence he said was just this "It's the best place to begin!". 
Trying to talk a game good never works, so just make it good and let it talk for itself. 

[WizenSlinky0]

I think the big thing is that although the games are a trilogy, each game is more or less a self-contained arc that requires only minimal information from the previous ones to be played for what it is. A fun series of video games.

It really depends on what you consider the best place to start for anything. I mean we've already seen a lot of focus on the action elements. If you approach it from that standpoint...this is the best place to start. The combat is at its peak of development, it's right in the middle of the action, and there are plenty of things to shoot.

From a story perspective it isn't. If you want to appreciate the universe Bioware has created you need the previous games, or independent research via ME wiki and such, to appreciate the cultures and other aspects of the universe. The emotional attachment is higher for those who have played through and can see their choices reflected in the game.

However, the arc style of the games are presented in such a way that for the average gamer (who doesn't yet give a crap about any of these characters)...if they were to choose a game that would best define the trilogy (in the eyes of the developers) it would be ME3.

[Pordis Shepard]

Okay. Speaking as someone who started off in me2 [quick background...I was fixing an RROD and used the then current me2 as a test...and got hooked ;P] I can see that starting off in me3 makes sense for some players.

There were a lot of things I came to appreciate in me2 after going back to play me1. Plus there was some distraction playing me1 after enjoying the much improved graphics of me2. All in all, I think I might have enjoyed everything better if I had started with me1, but for me it wasn't that big of a deal. After all, who hasn't gone back and re-played me1 and still enjoyed it?

So back to the point of starting at me3...for gamers who know they are going to enjoy me3, sure I would recommend starting with the previous ones ASAP, especially now they are so affordable. For the gamers who are waiting for me3 to decide, well I certainly wouldn't want to be trying to go through me1/me2 while all the talk and inevitable spoilers about me3 are going around. So yeah, for those who are unsure and are not going to jump in right now and prepare, I would recommend starting with me3.

Modifié par Pordis Shepard, 15 juin 2011 - 05:29 .